Post by thread:Email with PiC ?

Hi, I am very interested in the protocol to connect to servers also. I'd like a PIC to receive email also. Thanks for any info, Dave Celsnak >Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:45:29 +0100 >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list <spam_OUTPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> {Quote hidden}>From: Pascal MIQUET <.....pmKILLspam@spam@DALIM.DE> >Subject: Email with PiC ? >To: PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > >Hi, >Does anyone has experienced email generation with PiC ? (protocol, >interfacing,...) >Thanks for your help. > >Pascal MiQUET >-- >(PD: We have an agreement with God, > He doesn't fix programs and > we don't make miracles. ) > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dave Celsnak wrote: > > Hi, > I am very interested in the protocol to connect to servers also. > I'd like a PIC to receive email also. > > Thanks for any info, > Dave Celsnak > > >Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:45:29 +0100 > >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list > <.....PICLISTKILLspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU> > >From: Pascal MIQUET <EraseMEpmspam_OUTTakeThisOuTDALIM.DE> > >Subject: Email with PiC ? > >To: PICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU > > > >Hi, > >Does anyone has experienced email generation with PiC ? (protocol, > >interfacing,...) > >Thanks for your help. If you have a SMS to email gateway on your GSM network, you can use a GSM modem. I've done it with a PIC, and it is really easy. Contact me if you want info on modems. -- Friendly Regards /"\ \ / Tjaart van der Walt X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN @spam@tjaartKILLspamwasp.co.za / \ AGAINST HTML MAIL |--------------------------------------------------| | WASP International | |R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development| |--------------------------------------------------| |SMS KILLspamtjaartKILLspamsms.wasp.co.za (160 chars max)| | http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html | |Voice: +27-(0)11-622-8686 Fax: +27-(0)11-622-8973| | WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E | |--------------------------------------------------|

Hi, I think it is easy to do. All you need is a Linux/UNIX server connected to the internet. Connect the PIC to the R232 port and simulate a telnet to it and execute 'mail' command. The software is easy to do because it is only scripting (send and waitfor sequence only). Honestly, I haven't implemented it yet but it is very feasible. regards, Reggie Pascal MIQUET wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Hi, > Does anyone has experienced email generation with PiC ? (protocol, > interfacing,...) > Thanks for your help. > > Pascal MiQUET > -- > (PD: We have an agreement with God, > He doesn't fix programs and > we don't make miracles. )

I think Pascal wanted a direct PIC to Internet connection. Has anyone ported Linux to a PIC yet :-) ??? Russell McMahon From: Regulus Berdin <RemoveMErberdinTakeThisOuTBIGFOOT.COM> >I think it is easy to do. All you need is a Linux/UNIX server connected >to the internet. Connect the PIC to the R232 port and simulate a telnet >to it and execute 'mail' command. The software is easy to do because it >is only scripting (send and waitfor sequence only). Honestly, I haven't >implemented it yet but it is very feasible. >Reggie >Pascal MIQUET wrote: >> Does anyone has experienced email generation with PiC ? (protocol, >> interfacing,...)

Me too, Justin Grimm Dave Celsnak wrote: {Quote hidden}> Hi, > I am very interested in the protocol to connect to servers also. > I'd like a PIC to receive email also. > > Thanks for any info, > Dave Celsnak > > >Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:45:29 +0100 > >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list > <spamBeGonePICLISTspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU> > >From: Pascal MIQUET <TakeThisOuTpmEraseMEspam_OUTDALIM.DE> > >Subject: Email with PiC ? > >To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU > > > >Hi, > >Does anyone has experienced email generation with PiC ? (protocol, > >interfacing,...) > >Thanks for your help. > > > >Pascal MiQUET > >-- > >(PD: We have an agreement with God, > > He doesn't fix programs and > > we don't make miracles. ) > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hmmmmm,PICNFS Russell McMahon wrote: {Quote hidden}> > I think Pascal wanted a direct PIC to Internet connection. > Has anyone ported Linux to a PIC yet :-) ??? > > Russell McMahon > > From: Regulus Berdin <rberdinEraseME.....BIGFOOT.COM> > >I think it is easy to do. All you need is a Linux/UNIX server > connected > >to the internet. Connect the PIC to the R232 port and simulate a > telnet > >to it and execute 'mail' command. The software is easy to do > because it > >is only scripting (send and waitfor sequence only). Honestly, I > haven't > >implemented it yet but it is very feasible. > >Reggie > > >Pascal MIQUET wrote: > >> Does anyone has experienced email generation with PiC ? (protocol, > >> interfacing,...) -- Peter Williamson | Phone: +61 15 898934 Waybeat Pty Ltd | Email: EraseMEpeterwwaybeat.com.au

Pascal MIQUET wrote: > > Hi, > Does anyone has experienced email generation with PiC ? (protocol, > interfacing,...) > Thanks for your help. Thanks, I got your SMS (email). If your GSM network operator has some sort of a sms-email gateway, you can send email with some 3 or 4 command sent to the GCom from your PIC. So : 1) Contact your network operator and ask them if they know of a gateway for their SMS. 2) Look at the specs of the GCom on my page. 3) If 1) and 2) look good, then you can get pricing from Colleen at RemoveMEckEraseMEEraseMEwasp.co.za -- Friendly Regards /"\ \ / Tjaart van der Walt X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN RemoveMEtjaartspam_OUTKILLspamwasp.co.za / \ AGAINST HTML MAIL |--------------------------------------------------| | WASP International | |R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development| |--------------------------------------------------| |SMS RemoveMEtjaartTakeThisOuTspamsms.wasp.co.za (160 chars max)| | http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html | |Voice: +27-(0)11-622-8686 Fax: +27-(0)11-622-8973| | WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E | |--------------------------------------------------|

On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Regulus Berdin wrote: > Hi, > > I think it is easy to do. All you need is a Linux/UNIX server connected > to the internet. Connect the PIC to the R232 port and simulate a telnet > to it and execute 'mail' command. The software is easy to do because it > is only scripting (send and waitfor sequence only). Honestly, I haven't > implemented it yet but it is very feasible. Actually this is overkill as you need to parse the messages in the PIC. Middleware is required in the Linux box to convert email into a simple delimited text and delimited simplified header, and back. The middleware seems to be a Perl job. Then, the PIC only has to understand the To: name (filtered already). Peter

Hi, For this application, the PIC needs a physical connection to the internet. A modem perhaps connecting to the ISP. But instead of a PPP connection, Pascal might just ask his ISP to have TTY telnet connection directly (if ISP's server is UNIX). Error connection may not be needed because most modems have. regards, Reggie Russell McMahon wrote: {Quote hidden}> > I think Pascal wanted a direct PIC to Internet connection. > Has anyone ported Linux to a PIC yet :-) ??? > > Russell McMahon > > From: Regulus Berdin <EraseMErberdinspamspamBeGoneBIGFOOT.COM> > >I think it is easy to do. All you need is a Linux/UNIX server > connected > >to the internet. Connect the PIC to the R232 port and simulate a > telnet > >to it and execute 'mail' command. The software is easy to do > because it > >is only scripting (send and waitfor sequence only). Honestly, I > haven't > >implemented it yet but it is very feasible. > >Reggie > > >Pascal MIQUET wrote: > >> Does anyone has experienced email generation with PiC ? (protocol, > >> interfacing,...)

Someone asked about a direct connection to the internet, suggesting they either want a modem(ppp) connection or ethernet. I should say that to port even a small subset of tcp/ip to the PIC would propably be a big enough undertaking (can you say zmodem?) that it isn't the job for a pic. Price is a bit steep, but if you need a real internet (telnet actually) connection check out http://www.lantronix.com/. They make some single serial port terminal servers that work great for embedded components. I use them for some pc applications (where tcp/ip is not supported on the app but serial comm is) check them out. > {Original Message removed}

Regulus Berdin wrote: I was thinking of intranet solution, for Home Automation. My first Idea was to make a security system to de/activate Alarms, etc etc based on PiC and security code made with Dallas Buttons And/Or Smart Card. Then, new ideas come: Use a LCD display to given messages to people coming on this system. This implies, I think, an RTX solutions to cummunicate with the main module into the House/building and the external "Terminal". After, my next extension was to make this system available for industry. So need to check the validity of each key code, communicate the date/time of each entry/exit of people, and so on and so on. Then my idea was to make an ethernet connection to the intranet and then email small messages to main system. Yes I known, another solution is to keep RS232 connection to another system, manage my own protocole, and manage Email with a LiNUX box, but do not want to manage all this kind of stuff, even if it will funny to make it. Thanks for all your help. Pascal MiQUET. {Quote hidden}> > Hi, > > For this application, the PIC needs a physical connection to the > internet. A modem perhaps connecting to the ISP. But instead of a PPP > connection, Pascal might just ask his ISP to have TTY telnet connection > directly (if ISP's server is UNIX). Error connection may not be needed > because most modems have. > > regards, > Reggie > > > > > From: Regulus Berdin <RemoveMErberdinKILLspamBIGFOOT.COM> > > >I think it is easy to do. All you need is a Linux/UNIX server > > connected > > >to the internet. Connect the PIC to the R232 port and simulate a > > telnet > > >to it and execute 'mail' command. The software is easy to do > > because it > > >is only scripting (send and waitfor sequence only). Honestly, I > > haven't > > >implemented it yet but it is very feasible. > > >Reggie > > > > >Pascal MIQUET wrote: > > >> Does anyone has experienced email generation with PiC ? (protocol, > > >> interfacing,...)

A winner of the Circuit Cellar Ink & Microchip Design'98 contest was an interesting "internet appliance". Quoting from the abstract: "A PIC 12C672 handles all the tasks of dialing an ISP, negotiating PPP & IP, authenticating itself with PAP, finding its IP address, implementing PING protocol and TFTP" Try http://www.circuitcellar.com, may be there is some more info. The author is Myron Loewen (myronSTOPspamspam_OUTnorscan.com) Adriano

>"A PIC 12C672 handles all the tasks of dialing an ISP, >negotiating PPP & IP, authenticating itself with PAP, >finding its IP address, implementing PING protocol and >TFTP" I was thinking along the same lines, but a little investigation revealed that: 1. My ISP is using PPP, but not PAP. That's makes a PIC dialup a little easier. 2. My ISP doesn't support TFTP. Off hand, I'd guess that UDP might be doable on a PIC. But I can't think of any common UDP services that would be useful for transfering a moderate amount of data. Anyone got a workable idea? newell

a little investigation revealed that: 1. My ISP is using PPP, but not PAP. That's makes a PIC dialup a little easier. That would depend on what they're using instead. I don't think you want to try to do MD5 (used for CHAP) on a PIC. 2. My ISP doesn't support TFTP. Off hand, I'd guess that UDP might be doable on a PIC. But I can't think of any common UDP services that would be useful for transfering a moderate amount of data. TFTP uses UDP. TFTP *is* the common UDP service for transferring a modeate amount of data. It has no security of any sort, so it wouldn't be very popular for ISPs... BillW

On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Scott Newell wrote: > 1. My ISP is using PPP, but not PAP. That's makes a PIC dialup a little > easier. Actually, it is more difficult to parse variable length data for expect login scripts in a PIC, than fixed length PPP data structures negotiating IP. > 2. My ISP doesn't support TFTP. I am so surprised ;) > Off hand, I'd guess that UDP might be doable on a PIC. But I can't think > of any common UDP services that would be useful for transfering a moderate > amount of data. ICMP can transfer any data you wish using PING packets for example. Look up the RFC that documents PING. Check out 'pad bytes' ;) All you need to do is have a server support an ICMP daemon that can make sense of these padded bytes and send other ones back. > Anyone got a workable idea? Is this workable enough ? BTW PING will be routed over WAN so the PING can go to a server on the other side of the planet where the specialized server listens for it. Linux comes to my mind as a candidate. And is all that is needed to communicate really. Also, TFTP need not be supported by 'your' ISP, it needs to be supported by your peer on the Internet, who can be a dial-up user like you, although someone may be anal enough to filter TFTP in a firewall on the way (if you pardon my French), so PING is a better way. BTW beware of pinging certain types of hosts with variable padded data ;) They BSOD or such ;) Peter

Does anyone know any more about this project or has asked Myron for some tips on how he did it? Adriano De Minicis wrote: {Quote hidden}> A winner of the Circuit Cellar Ink & Microchip Design'98 contest > was an interesting "internet appliance". Quoting from the abstract: > > "A PIC 12C672 handles all the tasks of dialing an ISP, > negotiating PPP & IP, authenticating itself with PAP, > finding its IP address, implementing PING protocol and > TFTP" > > Try http://www.circuitcellar.com, may be there is some more info. > The author is Myron Loewen (spamBeGonemyronSTOPspamEraseMEnorscan.com) > > Adriano

I was looking around the internet and found a project with an apparent tcpip stack at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/5807/ under the interface section. I dont know if its already been mentioned. Justin Grimm Peter L. Peres wrote: > On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Barry E. King wrote: > > > I assume that if that can be done POP3 and/or SMTP would be trivial given > > the existance of some sort of TCP/IP stack. > > POP3 and SMTP use the TCP protocol and the PIC based solution only does > UDP and ICMP. > > Peter