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2010\02\26@211948 by zipwize

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Recently, there was the high speed train wreak in Belgium, I know of another one in Boston due to "text messaging" on a cell phone. There was another in Washington DC due to"text messaging". With simple controls, and GPS tracking, couldn't these accidents be avoided? Why couldn't the controls of the train engineer be overridden when a mistake is made. Surely a simple collision avoidance system could be worked out on a fixed track with GPS trackers at each end of every train. How is it still possible for this to happen with today's technology? Is it a labor union requirement that the engineer is in sole control of the train? What corruption is preventing this automation from being applied? These accidents were caused by human mistakes. Now there are plans for a high speed rail system in California. A PIC could handle this.

2010\02\27@083903 by BOB

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zipwize@comcast.net wrote:
> Recently, there was the high speed train wreak in Belgium, I know of another one in Boston due to "text messaging" on a cell phone. There was another in Washington DC due to"text messaging". With simple controls, and GPS tracking, couldn't these accidents be avoided? Why couldn't the controls of the train engineer be overridden when a mistake is made. Surely a simple collision avoidance system could be worked out on a fixed track with GPS trackers at each end of every train. How is it still possible for this to happen with today's technology? Is it a labor union requirement that the engineer is in sole control of the train? What corruption is preventing this automation from being applied? These accidents were caused by human mistakes. Now there are plans for a high speed rail system in California. A PIC could handle this.
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I think that there are things like that in place already.   The driver  
is there in case they malfunction.  Other wise we would not need  
engineers or drivers.
I think that a simple device that would block or disrupt cell phone
signals from the operators position would work.
Or better still something to detect cell phone signals from the
operators position. It could shut down the train till the cell phone is
turned off.  That would certainly stop the use of cell phones by drivers.

Or set STIFF federal laws in place for HARD prison time for the offenders.
BOB

2010\02\27@093531 by M.L.

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On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:39 AM, BOB <spam_OUTBOBSCNCTakeThisOuTspamcharter.net> wrote:
> .....zipwizeKILLspamspam@spam@comcast.net wrote:
>> Recently, there was the high speed train wreak in Belgium, I know of another one in Boston due to "text messaging" on a cell phone. There was another in Washington DC due to"text messaging". With simple controls, and GPS tracking, couldn't these accidents be avoided? Why couldn't the controls of the train engineer be overridden when a mistake is made. Surely a simple collision avoidance system could be worked out on a fixed track with GPS trackers at each end of every train. How is it still possible for this to happen with today's technology? Is it a labor union requirement that the engineer is in sole control of the train? What corruption is preventing this automation from being applied? These accidents were caused by human mistakes. Now there are plans for a high speed rail system in California. A PIC could handle this.
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> I think that there are things like that in place already.   The driver
> is there in case they malfunction.  Other wise we would not need
> engineers or drivers.
> I think that a simple device that would block or disrupt cell phone
> signals from the operators position would work.
> Or better still something to detect cell phone signals from the
> operators position. It could shut down the train till the cell phone is
> turned off.  That would certainly stop the use of cell phones by drivers.
>
> Or set STIFF federal laws in place for HARD prison time for the offenders.
> BOB
>


They're supposedly working on better signal systems on the Boston area
green line. I would be equally happy if they hired drivers who didn't
race stoplight to stoplight.


--
Martin K.

2010\02\27@165804 by Kevin Jones

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>Recently, there was the high speed train wreak in Belgium, I know of
>another one in Boston due to "text messaging" on a cell phone. There
>was another in Washington DC due to"text messaging". With simple
>controls, and GPS tracking, couldn't these accidents be avoided? Why
>couldn't the controls of the train engineer be overridden when a
>mistake is made. Surely a simple collision avoidance system could be
>worked out on a fixed track with GPS trackers at each end of every
>train. How is it still possible for this to happen with today's
>technology? Is it a labor union requirement that the engineer is in
>sole control of the train? What corruption is preventing this
>automation from being applied? These accidents were caused by human
>mistakes. Now there are plans for a high speed rail system in
>California. A PIC could handle this.

Already has existed for years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Train_Control

I believe it is required in the US for any stretch of track
where  trains are allowed speeds over 79mph.

Regards,
Kevin Jones




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