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'Digital Thermometer Package Available!'
1996\09\02@123936 by myke predko

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Hi Gang,

I've finally got the package, THERMO.ZIP together.  It consists of four
programs and a description file.

The description file gives an ASCII character schematic of the thermometer
and seven segment driver circuit, an explanation of how to build the circuit
and how to test it using the programs in the package.

I have sent out copies of the .ZIP file as an attachment to everybody who's
asked for it and I would appreciate it if somebody from Microchip can help
me putting the package on their BBS.

Myke





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1996\09\02@160120 by Alexej Vladimirov

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*** Answering a msg posted in area AVP.PICLIST (AVP.PICLIST).

Dear Myke!

02 Sep 96, spam_OUTPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU writes to Alexej Vladimirov:


P> I have sent out copies of the .ZIP file as an attachment to everybody
P> who's asked for it and I would appreciate it if somebody from
P> Microchip can help me putting the package on their BBS.

Could you please sent copy for me ? I would like to put it onto our
WEB page at http://www.ormix.riga.lv/eng/mchip/mchip.htm
BTW, I have more than 160 Microchip-relted links now...

Best regards

Alexej Vladimirov  .....avladKILLspamspam@spam@mail.ormix.riga.lv  [Microchip technical support]

--- GoldED/2 2.50+

1996\09\02@162859 by nogueira

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myke predko wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I've finally got the package, THERMO.ZIP together.  It consists of four
> programs and a description file.

I'd like to receive it.

Thanks,

Octavio
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1996\09\03@092527 by myke predko

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part 0 1328 bytes
Here's the THERMO.ZIP Package (I've attached it to this note).

If you have any problems receiving it, please let me know and I'll redirect
you to a WWW site or
an ftp site from which you can download the code.  I am in the process of
setting up a WWW
site, so in the future, this should be a lot easier.

If you have any questions, please post them on PICLIST where the
problems/answers are
available to everybody (save me having to reply n times to the problems).

Good Luck!

Myke
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1996\09\03@103409 by Micheal Yano

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At 12:14 9/2/96 EDT, you wrote:
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Me too! Please and Thank you.
Thanks.
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1996\09\03@164453 by Kurt Horton

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I'd like to get a copy by email attachment or ftp site.  Could you send
me either?

  kurt

1996\09\03@210756 by au156

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Just to make things a little easier for everyone to get
a copy of Myke Predko's popular pic thermometer file
package, I've put the zip file in the opening page of
my web site.


The complete url is:

     http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3161/thermo.zip

     (case sensitive so type CapeCanaveral carefully)

Wish I had a hit counter installed.  :)


Incidentally, the few (weather) images at this web in jpeg
format are suffering from slight corruptions due to difficulty
with intermediate file tranfers to a university computer system.
This problem has been more troublesome than I thought it would be,
so it isn't anything wrong with your browser if you try to see
them and get a bad result.  I'm working on it.

Hank Riley
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http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3161

1996\09\04@103538 by myke predko

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Well, if you ever want to get overwhelmed with mail, make a popular PIC
package and accidentally send it out to the List Group.  I apologize for
that, it was a mistake and the prime reason why I am setting up a Web Page
of my own (when I sent out the "Frosty the Snowman" packages earlier in the
year the same thing happened).

Thanx to Hank for putting the package on the Web Page.  I am no longer
sending it out to prevent any screw ups and having the package sent out to
everyone on the LIST all over again.

Maybe this is a good time to ask a few questions.  I didn't end up making a
GIF of the schematics because I got a number of replies from people saying
they didn't want it as a GIF, do it as a BitMap, JPEG, and MIME.  Is there
any concensus on what is the "correct" method of distributing graphics?

For packages such as this, are people interested in getting PCBs made up?  I
hand wired (point to point) my prototype and while it's not a very complex
circuit, it's a lot of work.  Does anybody know of any freeware/shareware
packages that will take a netlist and autoroute a board?  EasyTrax is okay
for very simple boards, but for complex ones with busses, it's not great.
If I was going to have a board made up, I would like to have it complete
before I send out the package.

If you do go through and build the application, I would be interested in
hearing from you and what your experiences are.

Take care,

Myke
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1996\09\04@124845 by myke predko

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Thanx to David and Hank for making the package available on their web sites.

Myke
>Hi Myke,
>
>Just to confirm that I received your file and its now available
>by WWW and FTP as:
>
>http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbhstdj/files/thermo.zip
>ftp://ftp.mcc.ac.uk/pub/micro-controllers/PIC/thermo.zip
>
>Thanks for sharing the info.
>
>Cheers,
>
>David
>
>

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1996\09\05@034622 by Eric Smith

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myke predko <RemoveMEmykeTakeThisOuTspamPASSPORT.CA> wrote:
> I didn't end up making a GIF of the schematics because I got a number of
> replies from people saying they didn't want it as a GIF, do it as a BitMap,
> JPEG, and MIME.  Is there any concensus on what is the "correct" method of
> distributing graphics?

It depends very much on the sort of graphics.  For schematics GIF is actually
quite a reasonable format.

"BitMap" is a generic term, not a file format.  Some specific formats that have
bitmap in the name are Windows .BMP files, X .xbm files. and NetPBM .pbm files.
Most of these are inferior to GIF for schematics due to the lack of
compression.

JPEG is a lossy compression algorithm that is intended for photographic
work, not for images that have only a few discrete color quantization levels
(such as the extreme case of black & white line art, like typical schematics).

MIME isn't a file format, it is a way of encoding files for email.  You could
have MIME-enoded GIFs, MIME-encoded JPEGs, etc.

Of the formats you indicate people have requested, GIF is the most suitable
and is supported by most software.  IMNSHO, anyone who claims they can't deal
with GIF is just lazy.  If you're offering to give something of value (your
schematics) away free, and people can't be troubled to find a way to use one
of the most common image file formats on the planet, to heck with them.

There are some unfortuate patent problems with GIF processing software, but
to the best of my knowledge they only affect people wanting to distribute
such software, not people distributing images.

I would add four other image formats that might be suitable:

1.  HPGL, Hewlett-Packard Graphics Language.  Originally invented for pen
   plotters.  It is now supported by some laser printers.  There are some
   free viewers available, but their quality isn't great.

1.  TIFF Class F, which can have either Group 3 (ITU-T recommendation T.4) or
   Group 4 (T.6) encoding.  TIFF is an extensible file format, so not all
   software can deal with all TIFF files.  However, most commecial graphics
   software can do TIFF Class F.  Group 4 coding is *very* efficient for
   black and white line art, resulting in smaller file sizes than GIF, but
   some software only supports Group 3 coding.

2.  JBIG, from the Joint Bilevel Image Group.  JBIG is intended to be a
   standard encoding for black and white line art, and is even more efficient
   than Group 4, but software is not widely available.  Also, JBIG is not
   technically speaking a file format, but rather an encoding.  However, there
   is freely available source code on the net that implements JBIG encoding
   and decoding with a defacto file format.  The patent situation on JBIG is
   uncertain.  I'm personally using JBIG for storing archived scanned images
   of schematics.

3.  Adobe PDF.  I'm not sure what kinds of image encoding are actually used.
   The main advantage is that Adobe makes viewer software (Adobe
   Acrobat for Windows, Mac, and Sun) available free.  Alladin Ghostscript
   can be used as a viewer on other platforms.  There is also an xpdf program
   for X.

My personal opinion is that GIF and PDF are probably the best formats for
distributing schematics at this time.  TIFF or JBIG would be good but I think
GIF is preferred even though it uses less efficient coding, because it is
widely supported (especially by web browsers).

Cheers,
Eric

1996\09\05@035458 by mike

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In message  <spamBeGonem0uyJ1e-001Bm2CspamBeGonespampassport.ca> TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU writes:
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> Maybe this is a good time to ask a few questions.  I didn't end up making a
> GIF of the schematics because I got a number of replies from people saying
> they didn't want it as a GIF, do it as a BitMap, JPEG, and MIME.  Is there
> any concensus on what is the "correct" method of distributing graphics?
>
[snip]

Myke,

JPEGs are not really suitable for schematics unless the compression
is set to off (or nearly off). This is because the compression
method is lossy. It works fine for pictures where the eye and brain
can put in the bits that went missing, but for lines and text it
really is not the best thing to use.

Gifs would be better, but I would favour a pkzipped bitmap. These
compress well and are viewable by anyone with Windows Paintbrush. No
additional programs required.

You sent out you file BinHex4.0 encoded. Many e-mail programs don't
handle this automatically (including the one I use). uu-encoding
is much more common. Mime comes second in the usage count.

Regards,



Mike

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