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1998\08\22@015557 by Steven Coles

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Please de-scribe me for now. Thank you

1998\08\22@042340 by Ray Gardiner

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On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, you wrote:

>Please de-scribe me for now. Thank you

       Not much to go on, but I'll try.

       You are using Netscape 4.03 running under Windows 95.
       The dial-up connection is to dialup27.phnx.uswest.net
       Your IP address when the message was sent anyway is 206.80.202.27
       And your service provider uses qmail (much better than sendmail)

       Your Name is Steven Coles and your user name is "arids" and the
       password is ******

       I'm guessing phnx is probably Phoenix and you live in the
       Phoenix area, since the dialin is phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net

       A search on Altavista, confirms the Phoenix Arizona location
       and also shows that you are interested in Electric Vehicles.

       And yes, I'm joking.. (sort of)

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Ray Gardiner spam_OUTrayTakeThisOuTspamhdc.com.au

1998\08\22@212232 by David VanHorn

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If you subscribe to get on a list, shouldn't you superscribe to get off the
list ? ;-)

1998\08\22@224425 by Bob Blick

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Like Dorothy in the Wizard of OZ, who had the power to leave OZ at any
time, subscribers to the piclist have the power to unsubscribe at any time.

Unlike Dorothy, who needed to be told by the Good Witch how to return home,
subscribers to the piclist were given unsubscribe instructions at the very
beginning.

At least the last guy was polite!

-Bob

P.S. I like Peter Cousens' suggestion that there be an unsubscribe contest,
the winner to be given a LIFETIME SUBSCRIPTION !

1998\08\22@225500 by Bob Cousins

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Bob Blick wrote:

>P.S. I like Peter Cousens' suggestion that there be an unsubscribe contest,
>the winner to be given a LIFETIME SUBSCRIPTION !

Clearly there should be an entrance exam. You should have to demonstrate your
ability to unsubscribe before you are allowed to subscribe.

--
Bob Cousins, Software Engineer.
Home page at http://www.lintilla.demon.co.uk/

1998\08\24@011108 by tjaart

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Steven Coles wrote:

> Please de-scribe me for now. Thank you

On first impression, you are someone who doesn't RFTM. I really
don't know you well enough to de-scribe you, but if you want to
unsubscribe, well :

Sigh.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EMAIL ADDRESSES
1) PICLIST   = this list (what you are reading now)
2) LISTSERV  = the address to send commands to

If you can't grasp this, you should ask someone to help you.

To recap (again, and again, and again, and again, and again ad naseum) :

Point 1 :
You may leave the list at any time by writing "SIGNOFF PICLIST" in the body
of at message to .....LISTSERVKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.

Point 2 :
The list server doesn't give a shit if you write 'unsubscribe' ten gazillion tim
es in any
number of messages to the list (PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVA.MIT.EDU). This is for the Piclist
traffic (what you are reading now).

Point 3 :
If you have your email address changed, unsubscribe BEFORE changing you email
address - you can't do it afterwards..

Point 4 :
You may think your email looks snazzy with all the HTML turds in it, but to
the rest of the world, it is a pain in the ass. Not only is it only unsupported
by
half the damn email readers, it is TOTALLY INCOMPREHENSIBLE to the
list server. You can send unsubscribe command in any f@#$ing font and size
with nude pictures of Pamela Anderson, you ain't going nowhere, baby.

Point 5 :
Using automated "I am out of the office for the weekend" may dazzle your
colleges with your impressive command of Microsoft products, but it
irritates and infuriates the other 99.99% when all mail from the PIClist is
returned with this incredibly informative and exciting message.

1998\08\24@035020 by Wolfgang Kynast
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> Please de-scribe me for now. Thank you


Please do not post requests to the PICLIST address, use the
mail server address instead!

To unsubscribe, send a message containing the line

        SIGNOFF PICLIST

to      .....LISTSERVKILLspamspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU

Note that you must send this message using the same mail address
you used to subscribe! If you have a new mail address and cannot
use the old one any longer, you will have to fake your mail
address. Most mail programs allow you to set any sender address.

Ensure that you do NOT send your message as HTML.

And here is the help file you received when you joined PICLIST
and which you should have stored:

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Please save this message for future  reference, especially if this is
the first time you subscribe to an  electronic mailing list. If you
ever need to  leave the  list,  you  will find  the  necessary
instructions  below. Perhaps  more importantly,  saving a  copy of
this message  (and of  all future subscription notices  from other
mailing lists) in  a special mail folder will give you instant access
to the list of mailing lists that you are subscribed  to. This may
prove very useful the  next time you  go on vacation and  need to leave
the lists temporarily so  as not to  fill up your  mailbox while  you
are away!  You should  also  save the  "welcome messages" from the
list owners that you will  occasionally receive after subscribing to a
new list.

To send  a message to  all the people  currently subscribed to  the
list, just send mail to EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU. This is called "sending
mail to the list", because  you send mail to a single  address and
LISTSERV makes copies   for  all   the  people   who  have
subscribed.  This   address (PICLISTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU)  is also  called
the "list  address". You  must never try to send any command to that
address, as it would be distributed to all the people  who have
subscribed. All commands must  be sent to the "LISTSERV address",
@spam@LISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or KILLspamLISTSERVKILLspamspamMITVMA.BITNET). It is  very
important to understand  the difference between the  two, but
fortunately it  is not complicated.  The LISTSERV  address is like  a
FAX number that connects you to a machine, whereas the list address is
like a normal voice line connecting  you to a person. If you  make a
mistake and dial the FAX number when you wanted  to talk to someone on
the phone, you will quickly  realize that you used  the wrong number
and  call again. No harm will have been done. If on the other hand you
accidentally make your FAX call  someone's voice  line, the  person
receiving  the call  will be inconvenienced, especially if your FAX
then re-dials every 5 minutes. The fact that  most people  will
eventually  connect the  FAX machine  to the voice line to  allow the
FAX to  go through and make the  calls stop does not mean  that you
should continue  to send FAXes  to the  voice number. People would just
get mad at you.  It works pretty much the same way with mailing  lists,
with  the difference  that  you are  calling hundreds  or thousands of
people  at the same time, and consequently  you can expect a lot of
people to get upset if  you consistently send commands to the list
address.

You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF PICLIST"
command to RemoveMELISTSERVTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or spamBeGoneLISTSERVspamBeGonespamMITVMA.BITNET). You can
also tell LISTSERV how you want  it to confirm the receipt of  messages
you send to the list.  If you  do not trust  the system, send  a "SET
PICLIST REPRO" command and LISTSERV will  send you a copy of your  own
messages, so that you can see that  the message was distributed and did
not get damaged on the  way. After  a while  you  may find  that this
is getting  annoying, especially if  your mail program  does not tell
you that the  message is from you when it  informs you that new mail
has  arrived from PICLIST. If you send  a "SET PICLIST ACK  NOREPRO"
command, LISTSERV will  mail you a short acknowledgement instead, which
will  look different in your mailbox directory. With most mail programs
you will know immediately that this is an  acknowledgement  you  can
read  later. Finally,  you  can  turn  off acknowledgements completely
with "SET PICLIST NOACK NOREPRO".

Following  instructions from  the list  owner, your  subscription
options have been set to "MIME" rather than the usual LISTSERV
defaults. For more information about subscription options, send a
"QUERY PICLIST" command to TakeThisOuTLISTSERVEraseMEspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or
RemoveMELISTSERVspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.BITNET).

Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get
a list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX PICLIST"
command to  LISTSERVEraseMEspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU  (or  EraseMELISTSERVspamMITVMA.BITNET). You
can  then order  these  files  with  a  "GET PICLIST  LOGxxxx"
command,  or  using LISTSERV's database  search facilities.  Send an
"INFO  DATABASE" command for more information on the latter.

This  list is  available  in digest  form.  If you  wish  to receive
the digested  version  of the  postings,  just  issue  a SET  PICLIST
DIGEST command.

Please note that  it is presently possible for other  people to
determine that  you are  signed up  to the  list through  the use  of
the  "REVIEW" command,  which  returns   the  e-mail  address  and
name   of  all  the subscribers. If  you do not  want your name to  be
visible, just  issue a "SET PICLIST CONCEAL" command.

More  information on  LISTSERV  commands  can be  found  in the
LISTSERV reference  card, which  you can  retrieve  by sending  an
"INFO  REFCARD" command to RemoveMELISTSERVEraseMEspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU (or
RemoveMELISTSERVspam_OUTspamKILLspamMITVMA.BITNET).



Regards,
Wolfgang
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PIC links:
http://people.frankfurt.netsurf.de/Wolfgang.Kynast/pic.htm

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