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'DEBT MANAGEMENT CLUB MESSAGE EXPLAINED'
1998\06\03@031451 by Dave Mullenix

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A recent post may have confused many members of the PIC list who live
outside the USA.  Because they don't have a lifetime of experience
living in the USA and reading idiomatic English, they may not have
the background necessary to "read between the lines", so to speak.

For the benefit of those people, I'm reposting the original message
with explanatory comments to help non-Americans understand exactly
what its author is saying.

As you read this, remember that the message's target audience is
Americans with more money than brains.

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Subject: We PAY your DEBTS & you never have to pay us back!
   Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:35:40 -0400
   From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV administrator

Our research indicates that the following material may be of interest
to you;
[Specifically, our research indicates that your IQ is in the low double
digit range.]

(However, so that we may be courteous, please reply by email with the
word "remove" to be immediately removed from further mailings.  You
must type "remove".)
[This gives us your email address and confirms our estimate of your IQ.]


Welcome to the DEBT MANAGEMENT CLUB, an organization that has been
featured in respected business trade and money periodicals.
[Such as "60 Minutes", "20-20" and "Crimestoppers"]

This is not a business opportunity.
[Certainly not!  A business opportunity is a chance to MAKE money.
This is an opportunity to LOSE money.]

Of course, in today's world there are endless scams where we all have
to be extremely careful.
[No kidding!]

If this sounds like one, it isn't.
[It is.]

Nor is it a money making scheme,
[For you, it will be a money LOSING scheme.]

or a multi-level marketing pitch in search for new recruits.
[You are the only human in the world dumb enough to fall for this.]

The Debt Management Club (DMC) legally helps people pay their debts
up to $100,000 without a bankruptcy or damage to a person's credit.
[You give us large amounts of money, we send some of it to your
creditors.  If you send us enough, some of your debts will be paid.]

Everyday we pay student loans, credit cards, child support, mortgages,
IRS liens, utility and phone bills,property tax liens and rents/leases.
[Specifically, we pay OUR student loans, credit cards, child support,
mortgages, IRS liens, utility and phone bills, property tax liens,
rents/leases, etc.  All YOU have to do is provide the money.]

And the money used to pay the debts never needs to be paid back.
[That's right!  Once you've paid off a debt, you generally don't have
to pay it back again.  And we're sure not going to pay YOU back!]

Sound interesting?
[Remember your double digit IQ!]

Well it should, and yes, it is a reality.
[With your IQ, you SHOULD fall for this.  Really.]

How you ask?
[We have mastered the technique of telling lies to suckers.]

There is one way only to find out.
[And it's a very valuable lesson.  At least, it will certainly be
an expensive lesson.]

You may call (818) 763-1000  Ext 1645 for a phone appointment
[If this is a local call, please do not call 500 times and laugh.]

(during normal business hours)
[We begin partying on your money at precisely 4:30 PM.]

after sending in the following completed short form.
[This is VERY important.  See below for reasons why.]

You may fax or mail in this form.
[See restrictions on local calls above. Remember, the Post
Office will NOT deliver mail with insufficient postage.  Especially
if it's taped to a brick.]

You must also attach an address verification (a copy of a
phone bill for example) when returning this form.
[So we are absolutely CERTAIN our estimates of your IQ are accurate.]

Fax- (818) 769-7358 (to attention: ext. 1645)
[Because this fax machine is in a copy shop.]

Send letter bombs to: 5318 Laurel Canyon Bl. #104, Valley Village Ca
91607



         NON-DISCLOSURE/NON-COMPETE AGREEMENT FORM

The undersigned hereby agrees not to disclose any information given
to him/her regarding the Debt Managemnt Club to anyone;
[Especially to law enforcement officials or any kind of attorney.]

and further agrees not to compete the DMC in the U.S.A. or anywhere
in the world.
[After all, the supply of suckers.. er.. people with your remarkable
potential is not infinite.]

(ext#1645)

Name___________________________Date_________________

Address______________________________________________

Phone________________________ Fax____________________

City_____________________State_________  Zip___________

Signature_______________________________

GET THIS SOB!! >>>>>>>>>>> Invited by Andrew Devore, Member 1645

1998\06\03@110102 by Martin Green

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    Very funny!! You know, I deleted the original message so fast I didn't
    even see the hilarious 'red flag' about sending an 'address
    verification' such as a phone bill. A few years ago here in Ontario
    Canada, when the natural gas market was deregulated, the gas marketers
    used a similar trick to get you to switch gas suppliers without even
    realizing it. They would come to your door and mislead you to believe
    that they were from your local gas company. They would tell you that,
    due to changes in government regulations you were eligible for a
    refund or reduced rate, all you needed to do to obtain this windfall
    was to supply them with a original of a recent gas bill.  Using this
    deception, thousands of residents in Ontario were switched to an
    alternate gas marketer without their knowledge. Since their original
    gas supplier continued to do the billing, remitting the marketers
    portion from the money sent to them, most people didn't realize they
    had been switched for several YEARS, until the gas supplier sent out a
    letter (they were getting swamped with complaints), saying, in effect,
    "our records show that you are being supplied gas by XYZ company. If
    you have any questions about your account please contact them
    directly... blah, blah, blah."

    I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the number of PICLIST'ers that
    tried to 'remove' themselves by repying to the PICLIST (over 10 now).
    Just look at how many attempts we get to unsubscribe by sending
    commands to the list instead of the server, or just asking the magic
    genie to 'please remove me from your list".


    CIAO - Martin.


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Date:    6/3/98 1:31 AM


A recent post may have confused many members of the PIC list who live
outside the USA.  Because they don't have a lifetime of experience
living in the USA and reading idiomatic English, they may not have
the background necessary to "read between the lines", so to speak.

For the benefit of those people, I'm reposting the original message
with explanatory comments to help non-Americans understand exactly
what its author is saying.

As you read this, remember that the message's target audience is
Americans with more money than brains.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: We PAY your DEBTS & you never have to pay us back!
   Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:35:40 -0400
   From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV administrator

Our research indicates that the following material may be of interest
to you;
[Specifically, our research indicates that your IQ is in the low double
digit range.]

(However, so that we may be courteous, please reply by email with the
word "remove" to be immediately removed from further mailings.  You
must type "remove".)
[This gives us your email address and confirms our estimate of your IQ.]


Welcome to the DEBT MANAGEMENT CLUB, an organization that has been
featured in respected business trade and money periodicals.
[Such as "60 Minutes", "20-20" and "Crimestoppers"]

This is not a business opportunity.
[Certainly not!  A business opportunity is a chance to MAKE money.
This is an opportunity to LOSE money.]

Of course, in today's world there are endless scams where we all have
to be extremely careful.
[No kidding!]

If this sounds like one, it isn't.
[It is.]

Nor is it a money making scheme,
[For you, it will be a money LOSING scheme.]

or a multi-level marketing pitch in search for new recruits.
[You are the only human in the world dumb enough to fall for this.]

The Debt Management Club (DMC) legally helps people pay their debts
up to $100,000 without a bankruptcy or damage to a person's credit.
[You give us large amounts of money, we send some of it to your
creditors.  If you send us enough, some of your debts will be paid.]

Everyday we pay student loans, credit cards, child support, mortgages,
IRS liens, utility and phone bills,property tax liens and rents/leases.
[Specifically, we pay OUR student loans, credit cards, child support,
mortgages, IRS liens, utility and phone bills, property tax liens,
rents/leases, etc.  All YOU have to do is provide the money.]

And the money used to pay the debts never needs to be paid back.
[That's right!  Once you've paid off a debt, you generally don't have
to pay it back again.  And we're sure not going to pay YOU back!]

Sound interesting?
[Remember your double digit IQ!]

Well it should, and yes, it is a reality.
[With your IQ, you SHOULD fall for this.  Really.]

How you ask?
[We have mastered the technique of telling lies to suckers.]

There is one way only to find out.
[And it's a very valuable lesson.  At least, it will certainly be
an expensive lesson.]

You may call (818) 763-1000  Ext 1645 for a phone appointment
[If this is a local call, please do not call 500 times and laugh.]

(during normal business hours)
[We begin partying on your money at precisely 4:30 PM.]

after sending in the following completed short form.
[This is VERY important.  See below for reasons why.]

You may fax or mail in this form.
[See restrictions on local calls above. Remember, the Post
Office will NOT deliver mail with insufficient postage.  Especially
if it's taped to a brick.]

You must also attach an address verification (a copy of a
phone bill for example) when returning this form.
[So we are absolutely CERTAIN our estimates of your IQ are accurate.]

Fax- (818) 769-7358 (to attention: ext. 1645)
[Because this fax machine is in a copy shop.]

Send letter bombs to: 5318 Laurel Canyon Bl. #104, Valley Village Ca
91607



         NON-DISCLOSURE/NON-COMPETE AGREEMENT FORM

The undersigned hereby agrees not to disclose any information given
to him/her regarding the Debt Managemnt Club to anyone;
[Especially to law enforcement officials or any kind of attorney.]

and further agrees not to compete the DMC in the U.S.A. or anywhere
in the world.
[After all, the supply of suckers.. er.. people with your remarkable
potential is not infinite.]

(ext#1645)

Name___________________________Date_________________

Address______________________________________________

Phone________________________ Fax____________________

City_____________________State_________  Zip___________

Signature_______________________________

GET THIS SOB!! >>>>>>>>>>> Invited by Andrew Devore, Member 1645

1998\06\03@112312 by myke predko

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Martin Green wrote:
>     Very funny!! You know, I deleted the original message so fast I didn't
>     even see the hilarious 'red flag' about sending an 'address
>     verification' such as a phone bill...

It's really hilarious.  We got dinged by this one by a guy who showed up
with a Consumer's Gas uniform and look alike badge who *had* a photocopy of
our bill and asked to sign to "keep getting the same great service that
we're used to from Consumer's Gas".

We found out about it because of a letter Consumer's Gas sent.  Now we're
stuck with Fred's Gas and Litter Box Cleaning Service and there's nothing we
can do about it for five years.

Hopefully, we won't have a problem...


Hey folks, here's a good suggestion to eliminating the SPAM problem on the
PICList - IGNORE IT!

I count 24 replies to the original note asking to "remove", how to sabotage
the spammer and how to protect ourselves.

I would argue that the spam is only 4% of the problem, we're 96% (I'm
including myself in this because I've actually sent two notes on this one
now telling people to just ignore the original note).

myke

"In this life we all get an equal share of ice.  The rich get it in the
summer, the poor get it in the winter." - Bat Masterson's last words

1998\06\03@114853 by eslight

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Problem is that there's always new people comming on the net or
the mailing list each day that don't have a clue about all this,
so the ignore thing won't work.  Until they regulate the internate
and you get a permit to surf (permit as in you got technical course
on how to send email, stop asking "stupid questions" (South park quote:
"Remember, there's no stupid questions, just stupid people :)), and
they get ethic courses... we won't stop it.

And since we don't want those permit or anything close to that...




myke predko wrote:
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