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1998\11\10@214339 by Tony Nixon

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It's unreal isn't it.

I went through all the trouble to provide some cheap learning software
for PIC's, and someone has taken the trouble to crack into it and allow
free usage :-( What bugs me is the hacker doesn't get any benefit from
this except he/she knows that it is a royal pain in the ass to the
author.

Back to the drawing board I suppose.

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Best regards

Tony

Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools.

http://www.picnpoke.com
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1998\11\10@220225 by Bob Blick

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Madonna has a stalker, Bill Gates gets a pie in the face, and your program
gets cracked. I guess you have attained a certain level of starhood, Tony!

Just keep 'em guessing.

-Bob

http://www.bobblick.com/

1998\11\11@161825 by Dennis Plunkett

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11/11/'98

80 years since the end of WW1. ->

                       Lest we forget.

I did it as part of my masters for the Monash University Computer department
:-) So now you have been given the challenge, do you accept? Just think
about it now you have a nemesis, just like the one for ZTREE.


Dennis

1998\11\11@161859 by Brian Robinson

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Gee,  that's another slap in the face  (to be compared to Madonna and
Bill Gates)

-----Original Message-----
From:   PICLIST [.....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]
Sent:   Tuesday, November 10, 1998 6:59 PM
To:     PICLIST
Subject:        Re: Cracked

Madonna has a stalker, Bill Gates gets a pie in the face, and your
program
gets cracked. I guess you have attained a certain level of starhood,
Tony!

Just keep 'em guessing.

-Bob

http://www.bobblick.com/

1998\11\11@161921 by Germán Gentile

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Man pls... don«t down your arms. Your product is great... I«m using that for
free!!!

(IS a JOKE..)
<g>

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Tony Nixon <Tony.NixonspamKILLspamENG.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Para: .....PICLISTKILLspamspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU <EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Fecha: Martes 10 de Noviembre de 1998 23:43
Asunto: Cracked


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1998\11\11@162930 by jcline

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>
> It's unreal isn't it.
>
> I went through all the trouble to provide some cheap learning software
> for PIC's, and someone has taken the trouble to crack into it and allow
> free usage :-( What bugs me is the (cr)acker doesn't get any benefit from
> this except he/she knows that it is a royal pain in the ass to the
> author.


What bugs me is proprietary source code and software that I
have to pay for.  I haven't seen your particular software, but
there are thousands of people out there (including myself)
offering *free* programs and *free* source code.  Cheap learning
software?  Why not make it free for non-commercial use and even
distribute the software for others to provide feedback and/or
improve upon?

"But how will I make any money?!" people usually ask-- but think
of the target market.  Free "learning software" would broaden the
market for development tools, which you could sell for commercial
use at a good margin; or, realize that we currently live in an
information/service economy and charge for /support/, not for
products.

The capitalistic model does not apply well to software!


> Back to the drawing board I suppose.
>
> --
> Best regards
>
> Tony
>
> Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools.


Jonathan Cline
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1998\11\11@175548 by Tony Nixon

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Hi all,

I've cracked the cracker who must be crackers to worry about cracking
cheap software. Say that with a mouthful of crackers :-)

Here is the web site I found it at. Theres other stuff there as well.

http://www.angelfire.com/ok/Tonnie/index2.html

The bummer is that I will have to change things on a regular (irregular)
basis.

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Best regards

Tony

Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools.

http://www.picnpoke.com
Email KILLspampicnpokeKILLspamspamcdi.com.au

1998\11\11@175946 by Dave VanHorn

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Tony Nixon wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've cracked the cracker who must be crackers to worry about cracking
> cheap software. Say that with a mouthful of crackers :-)


I heard today that a train derailment dumped a bunch of crackers into a
river..
Man you're vicious!

:)

1998\11\11@200843 by Morgan Olsson

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At 10:03 1998-11-11 -0800, Jonathan Cline wrote:

-snip-
>realize that we currently live in an
>information/service economy and charge for /support/, not for
>products.

1)      Teaching is *the_most_important* support !!

2)      IMHO, the manufacturers of the hardware should pay both educational and
development programs, so they sell more of their product.  If people did
not learn PIC thay would not use it, neither if the development programs
were bad.

>The capitalistic model does not apply well to software!

OK, then, try the communist way (which i prefer):
Everybody working equal share equal:
Both the ones developing and manufacturing the chips, as well as them
working with software, teaching, supporting etc, should be equally paid for
the time they spend.

The problem with software is that it is hard to get the right payment
sometimes a gret product don«t sell, sometimes i have bought popular
expensive crappy programs.  The program sales is more dependant of
marketing tricks and budget than usefulness.  The ones that have money can
earn more regardless of quality or work effort.  It is a crazy world we«re
living in.

/Morgan
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1998\11\11@210840 by Peter Schultz

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>OK, then, try the communist way (which i prefer):
I came from a former communist country ( Hungary )
I am living in the States now, Thank God!
Trust me the communist way millions of time worst then the capitalist.
Just check what they achive within 70 years in Russia and 40 years in the
rest of the communist countries.
I would call that demolition.
By the way You would really prefer to get a same salary as the cleaning lady
?
Do You think there is any driving force to go school, study and using your
brain and let the world going forward and making the life better, if we will
making the same money ?
We try that way a few hundred thousan years ago and already was proven this
will not work. Some of us was stronger and had a bigger rock than the
others.
Cheers,
PeterS

1998\11\11@211502 by Sean Breheny

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At 05:38 PM 11/11/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>OK, then, try the communist way (which i prefer):
>I came from a former communist country ( Hungary )
>I am living in the States now, Thank God!
>Trust me the communist way millions of time worst then the capitalist.
>Just check what they achive within 70 years in Russia and 40 years in the
>rest of the communist countries.
>I would call that demolition.

[SNIP]

AMEN!!


>Cheers,
>PeterS
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1998\11\11@213336 by James Cameron

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Jonathan wrote:
> "But how will I make any money?!" people usually ask [...]

Yes.  See http://www.opensource.org/ for other related issues.  Suggest
you read it, Tony Nixon.  I fully support your right to sell your
software, but I think that it isn't the best way to make money.

Ob PIC: anyone interested in a random LED flasher for 12C509?  Generates
24 bit random numbers and masks them with a counter, yielding five
outputs of random flashes at five average frequencies, in powers of two.
Can be assembled for 16F84.

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1998\11\16@120828 by Harrison Cooper

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I've missed the first part of this subject.....whats this cracked thing all
about?

1998\11\16@123708 by Bob Blick

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On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Harrison Cooper wrote:
> I've missed the first part of this subject.....whats this cracked thing all
> about?

You don't have to be mentally cracked to write about religion and politics
on the PICLIST, but it helps.

:-) Bob

1998\11\16@154521 by goflo

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Bob Blick wrote:

> You don't have to be mentally cracked to write about religion and politics
> on the PICLIST, but it helps.

Since none of the theologians have solicited our views,
I think it's safe to assume that they're comfortable without them.
Would'nt mind if they accorded the rest of us the same courtesy...

Jack

1998\11\16@171741 by marbel

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Hi can anyone point me some projects wich are dealing with quadrature signals
as they are also produced by incremental encoders used in mice i remember
someone had a project
converting ps2 to quadarature to use ps2 mouse on acorn computer.

Marcel
RemoveMEmarbelspamTakeThisOuTxs4all.nl
Amsterdam

Harrison Cooper wrote:
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> I've missed the first part of this subject.....whats this cracked thing all
> about?

1998\11\16@171934 by William Chops Westfield

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   I've missed the first part of this subject.....whats this cracked
   thing all about?

1) Apparently someone cracked the "enabler" for pik&poke or
  related tool.

2) Author complained, lamenting moral state of the world.

3) gnu "free software, charge for support" philosophy vs normal
  distribution methods.

4) Extension of SW distribution schemes to larger ecconomic
  organization; capitalism vs communism.

5) degree to which on or the other economic system exploits
  natural resources.

6) Origin and timeframe for production of those natural resources.

7) biblical vs geologic time frames.

I think that makes thing current...

:-)
BillW

1998\11\16@174610 by James Cameron

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William Chops Westfield wrote:
> I think that makes thing current...

An excellent summary.

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1998\11\16@180038 by Dave VanHorn

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> 7) biblical vs geologic time frames.
>
> I think that makes thing current...
>
>  :-)
> BillW


If the cosmological constant had been slightly different at the
time just after the big bang...

1998\11\17@034120 by Osama ALASSIRY

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BTW, this is the longest (OFFTOPIC or ONTOPIC) thread that I've seen on the
PICList (I've been subscribed for about 2 years) !!!

What do you think it will be about next?? we've covered almost everything!!

At 22:18 16/11/98 , you wrote:
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