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1998\11\14@042253 by Morgan Olsson

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At 08:26 1998-11-13 -0500, Andy Kunz wrote:
>I've REALLY REALLY been biting my tonque on this one, but no more!
>
>>Reources that have taken a thousand million years to accumulate like oil,
>>coal minerals uranium etc?  And not care about the poisoning effects?
>
>Do you realize that the fossil fuels MUST have been deposited very rapidly
>(like within MONTHS for coal and DAYS for petroleum) for them to have
>formed in the first place?  That these dissipate in THOUSANDS of YEARS (not
>millions) into the surrounding bedrock unless removed by man?

Wherever have you got that from??
Now you really got *me* going...
The oil companies make lot of desperate arguments, and this might be one of
them.  Just do the math; if the amount in current oil reserves "dissipates"
into surruonding bedrock every thousands of years there should have been
thousands times more oil there, "dissipated" during the last millions of
years.
-Right?

And how could coal "dissipate" into rock??

And form where do all the carbon and hydrogen come?

And for uranium it do not accumulate att all, as it is breaking down, and
we are just finding the highest concentration that are still available.

>>And why do people earn different just because they "sit on different
chairs"?
>>etc...
>
>If you don't like to earn money, there's an alternative - welfare.

Yes, I want to *earn* money.

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Like in russia now where government is very weak, economic control breaking
down, society ruled by "the seven" (the seven richest men) and the maffia,
breaking down what is left of their industry to save their money abroad.

Ask the people ther what they think about capitalism!
They have been robbed; first by feeding the so called communists at the
top, now in the same way feeding the capitalists at the new top, and
although getting large economic funds from western countries their country
is breaking down faster than ever, due to lack of control.

No; democratic elected control is needed from all people; not just the ones
with military nor economic powers.  The problem in russia seem to have been
they had not veru much to choose between...

>Wasn't Marx living in a capitalistic society?

You can«t help you were born in US, can you?  ;)

>  Where did he get the wealth
>to live the lifestyle HE lived?
>
>Capitalism may not be perfect, but it sure beats the domination required of
>communism.

Again, i repeat, check the meaning of communism; what was in russia etc was
not communism, rather dictature, or top controlled capitalism.

I know "communism" is a word that in the US have been used for "enemies",
and that might have slightly changed the meaning of it for you.

>If you prefer a communist society, I'm sure you could move to
>China.  If you prefer to live in a socialistic society, stay in Europe (for
>the most part).  If you want to live totally free, move to Tahiti.
>Everybody else is welcome in America.  Just don't try to change us!

I«m not.  - Just changing the world  ;)

No hard feelings
Regards
/Morgan
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1998\11\15@230152 by paulb

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Hello Morgan.

> Wherever have you got that from??

 In case you haven't twigged to it, Andy is a Biblical Creationist.
These are a group of people with little scientific training who believe
the speed of light varies by orders of magnitude over time and haven't
considered the implication of the *two* separate and disparate accounts
in the first chapter of Genesis.

 I, OTOH, am a "Theistic Evolutionist".
--
 Cheers,
       Paul B.

1998\11\16@011934 by enesys - Ing. en sistemas

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Why don«t stop that SHIT and talk about PICS???
I'm tired of 50 messages whit that topic!!!

Germ‡n Gentile

1998\11\16@084438 by Andy Kunz

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>The oil companies make lot of desperate arguments, and this might be one of
>them.  Just do the math; if the amount in current oil reserves "dissipates"
>into surruonding bedrock every thousands of years there should have been
>thousands times more oil there, "dissipated" during the last millions of
>years.
>-Right?

EXACTLY!  Which implies that the Earth ISN'T millions of years old.  Hence,
the Young Earth Creationists are right!

Right?!

>And how could coal "dissipate" into rock??

Dissipation was related to liquid/gaseous fuels.

>And form where do all the carbon and hydrogen come?

>From the dinosaurs and their vegetation, which were destroyed in a global
cataclysm.

>And for uranium it do not accumulate att all, as it is breaking down, and
>we are just finding the highest concentration that are still available.

No argument.  However, if you DO THE MATH, you will find that, even if all
the lead (and other broken-down nuclear metals) in the world came from
U238, the earth still would be much younger than evolutionists would have
us believe.

Why does Jupiter put out more heat than it takes in?  Could it be because
it isn't a zillion years old?

>Like in russia now where government is very weak, economic control breaking

The problem with Russia was that it was a very quick, very drastic action.
The West didn't realize that you need to train people to think, I guess.

>You can«t help you were born in US, can you?  ;)

But my mother wasn't born here - she chose to live here.  And has never
regretted it (although, I must admit, she has returned twice to her
homeland for vacation).

>I«m not.  - Just changing the world  ;)

Oh, so I don't live on the world, eh?

<G>

Andy


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Andy Kunz - Statistical Research, Inc. - Westfield, New Jersey USA
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1998\11\16@084442 by Andy Kunz

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At 02:58 PM 11/16/98 +1000, you wrote:
>Hello Morgan.
>
>> Wherever have you got that from??
>
>  In case you haven't twigged to it, Andy is a Biblical Creationist.

Thanks for reminding them.  There is another post which explains my
position more clearly.

>  I, OTOH, am a "Theistic Evolutionist".
>These are a group of people with little scientific training who believe

I think you had the groups backwards, Paul.

The "Theistic Evolutionists" say that God is a liar.  SInce we can't
believe Genesis 1-3, we can't believe Gen 3-Rev 22.  Take all or none of
the Bible - you can't pick and choose.

Andy

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Andy Kunz - Statistical Research, Inc. - Westfield, New Jersey USA
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1998\11\16@121040 by Peter L. Peres

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> >And how could coal "dissipate" into rock??
>
> Dissipation was related to liquid/gaseous fuels.

I'd suggest you check on this one. Fuel gets better with time, not worse.
Too 'new' fuel has high Sulphur and other impurity contents and that is
BAD. People have to remove those before they use that oil as it eats
engines, trees and other things.

Very very very old oil is better known as coal, the best kind of it there
is. Not all coal is formed like that however.

Peter

1998\11\16@214146 by Russell McMahon

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From: Peter L. Peres <.....plpKILLspamspam@spam@ACTCOM.CO.IL>
>Very very very old oil is better known as coal, the best kind of it
there
>is. Not all coal is formed like that however.
>
>Peter
>

Coal can, I am informed,
(although my scientific training is not in this area :-)),
be made from common or garden bio-mass in a matter of months, given
proper conditions.

I am also informed that these conditions are "geologically
reasonable".

My informant, like Carl Sagan (:-)), might be wrong.

regards


           Russell McMahon

1998\11\17@090959 by Andy Kunz

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>I am also informed that these conditions are "geologically
>reasonable".
>
>My informant, like Carl Sagan (:-)), might be wrong.

You are correct.  I believe the type of coal Peter was referring to is
actually considered an algae product, not a meat product.

Andy


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Andy Kunz - Statistical Research, Inc. - Westfield, New Jersey USA
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1998\11\17@121550 by Peter L. Peres

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On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Russell McMahon wrote:

> From: Peter L. Peres <plpspamKILLspamACTCOM.CO.IL>
> >Very very very old oil is better known as coal, the best kind of it
> there
> >is. Not all coal is formed like that however.
>
> Coal can, I am informed,
> (although my scientific training is not in this area :-)),
> be made from common or garden bio-mass in a matter of months, given
> proper conditions.

It can be made in about the time required to partially burn and dehydrate
it in a charcoal kiln, which is about 2-3 days for green mass. This yields
low grade charcoal which has nothing at all in common with anthracite (or
coke). Charcoal from green mass is also full of sulphur and other
ingredients which make it a very bad choice for industrial use.

> I am also informed that these conditions are "geologically
> reasonable".

Ok, if a piece of jungle the size of Pennsylvania (?) would disappear
within hours under lava and ash rain it might work out that way. It would
also yield charcoal full of sulphur and other undesirable stuff which may
take a couple of thousand years to percolate out or be otherwise separated
from the hydrocarbons. Otherwise, lay back and wait for a few tens of
thousands of years, at least, for nice clean oil, coal & gas.

Peter

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