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On Fri, 17 May 1996, Peter Shoebridge wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good, cheap C compiler and where I might obtain one for > use with the 16Cxx range of pic's. > Thanks > Peter Shoebridge You want cheap? How 'bout FREE? Check the GNUPIC page, http://www.execpc.com/~rdmiller/gnupic for freeware PIC development tools, available in source code. Right now the C compiler produces Parallax-style (pseudo-8051) assembly code, so you'd also need to download the Parallax assembler from their web site (http://www.parallaxinc.com). It may not be fantastic, but if you just want to tinker... Rick Miller

Guys, Has anybody got any comments on the various C compilers that are available for the PIC's. I plan to use a 16c64/65! regards, Scott. +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Scott Walsh Tel: +44 1793 84 22 18 + + Design Engineer Fax: +44 1793 84 88 53 + + Tlx: 44626 PLANAC G + + Plantronics International + + Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire, + + SN4 8QQ, England. EMail: scott.walshKILLspamplantronics.com + +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: PicStart Plus for Sale. Author: pic microcontroller discussion list <.....PICLISTKILLspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU> at INTERNET Date: 04/11/96 08:07 I have a PicStart Plus Development kit for sale. Complete, brand-new in original unopened shrink wrapped package. $145 usd. Pre-pay and Ill send post-paid (domestic). If you prefer I will send COD, you pay shipping from Illinois. Jeorme Knapp EraseMEjjknapspam_OUTTakeThisOuTskcla.monsanto.com

Scott Walsh wrote: > > Guys, > > Has anybody got any comments on the various C compilers that are > available for the PIC's. I plan to use a 16c64/65! > > regards, > Scott. > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ > + Scott Walsh Tel: +44 1793 84 22 18 + > + Design Engineer Fax: +44 1793 84 88 53 + > + Tlx: 44626 PLANAC G + > + Plantronics International + > + Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire, + > + SN4 8QQ, England. EMail: scott.walshspam_OUTplantronics.com + > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a review of 4 C Compilers for PICs at: http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~donmck/ccs.html Don McKenzie @spam@donmckKILLspamlabyrinth.net.au DonTronics Tullamarine, Australia http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~donmck

> Has anybody got any comments on the various C compilers that are > available for the PIC's. I plan to use a 16c64/65! Scott I'm currently using the PCM C complier from CCS. It costs $99 and can be invoked directly from the MPLAB integrated environment. What I really like about it is that they made built-in provision for interfacing to I2C, Microwire, Dallas one-wire, LCD, X10 protocol and a whole range of others. The compiler covers just about all the PIC devices available, although you might need the PCB version as well if you plan to program the 16C5x devices or the new 8 pin PIC12Cxx devices. One of the features that I like most about the CCS complier is its easy built-in serial routines for all PIC's. This makes it possible to make use of printf statements while you are developing. I love this feature! Possibly my biggest complaint against the compiler is that I feel the documentation and help files leave a lot to be desired. When you are using it from inside MPLAB, then you have no help options available at all. Oh, and my computer hanged up a couple of times when I used the compiler from DOS mode. I also regret the fact that you can not invoke the compiler from the DOS command line with command line options as I understand you can do from the MPLABC compiler. I can not really comment about the much more expensive MPLABC, but I assume its a much more proffesional and stable platform. So, I suppose your choice should be how much money you've got to spend. I'm not affiliated to CCS at all, but just a happy client with the product and the service that I got from them. I can recommend their product. Rgds Werner

> Guys, > > Has anybody got any comments on the various C compilers that are > available for the PIC's. I plan to use a 16c64/65! > > > regards, > Scott. I can really recommend the latest version of the CC5X C-compiler. CC5X supports all PICs with 12 bit and 14 bit core (this also include all 12/14 bit PICs to come). CC5X will generate the most compact code compared to any other C-compiler for PICs. This is the biggest advantage, because you always end up with adding "just one more feature" to your software. Just to give you a hint of the code size... The follow code was compiled using the old ByteCraft MPC compiler and CC5X : if (char==const1||char==const2) bit=0 else bit=1; MPC generated 22 assembler instructions, and CC5X generated 10 instructions. 10 instructions is pretty much what you would be able to do manually... I have used this compiler in all my projects, and have never had to look for compiler-generated bugs. In one of my projects I am using a 16C73, and when CC5X compiled it it filled up the ROM to somewhere around 95%. (With the old MPC, this would be a codesize between 7 and 8 KB !!) The RAM has not even began to use page 1 yet. The RAM is always reused. There is no local static locations, since this in effect is just a global location that is not accessible outside a specified function. A nice feature is the 1-bit variable. You do not have to specifically locate it in any location. That is done by the compiler (global and local). I can help you with more info if you're interrested. Regards, -Dag S

Just for reference, I compiled the same expression using CCS PCM compiler and it resulted in 12 instructions. I included the source and the listing. It might be nice to see the code generated by the other compiler. > Just to give you a hint of the code size... > The follow code was compiled using the old ByteCraft MPC compiler and > CC5X : > if (char==const1||char==const2) bit=0 else bit=1; > > MPC generated 22 assembler instructions, and CC5X generated 10 > instructions. 10 instructions is pretty much what you would be able > to do manually... > Here is the CCS c code: main() { char a; short int b; if ( a == 1 || a == 2) b = 0; else b = 1; } Here is the listing: CCS PCW C Compiler, Version 2.234, 2777 Filename: C:\PIC\TEST\test.LST ROM used: 18 (2%) 18 (2%) including unused fragments RAM used: 4 (11%) at main() level 4 (11%) worst case 0000 3000 00001 MOVLW 00 0001 008A 00002 MOVWF 0A 0002 2805 00003 GOTO 005 0003 0000 00004 NOP 0004 0000 00005 NOP 0000 00006 .................... main() 0000 00007 .................... { 0000 00008 .................... char a; 0000 00009 .................... short int b; 0005 0184 00010 CLRF 04 0000 00011 .................... 0000 00012 .................... if ( a == 1 || a == 2) b = 0; else b = 1; 0006 3001 00013 MOVLW 01 0007 020E 00014 SUBWF 0E,W 0008 1903 00015 BTFSC 03,2 0009 280E 00016 GOTO 00E 000A 3002 00017 MOVLW 02 000B 020E 00018 SUBWF 0E,W 000C 1D03 00019 BTFSS 03,2 000D 2810 00020 GOTO 010 000E 100F 00021 BCF 0F,0 000F 2811 00022 GOTO 011 0010 140F 00023 BSF 0F,0 0000 00024 .................... 0000 00025 .................... } 0011 0063 0026 SLEEP SYMBOL TABLE LABEL VALUE _RETURN_ 0000000D MAIN.A 0000000E MAIN.B 0000000F MAIN 00000005 MEMORY USAGE

Dag Bakken <KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote: > Just to give you a hint of the code size... The follow code was > compiled using the old ByteCraft MPC compiler and CC5X : if > (char==const1||char==const2) bit=0 else bit=1; > > MPC generated 22 assembler instructions, and CC5X generated 10 > instructions. 10 instructions is pretty much what you would be > able to do manually... Dag: I've already made MY choice of compiler, but for people who are still unsure of which one to buy (if any, it would be helpful if you indicated the version numnber of each compiler when posting comparisons. By the way, the expression you used in your example can be written in 7 instructions, not 10: BSF BIT MOVF CHAR,W XORLW CONST1 SKPZ XORLW CONST2^CONST1 SKPNZ BCF BIT -Andy === Andrew Warren - RemoveMEfastfwdTakeThisOuTix.netcom.com === === Fast Forward Engineering - Vista, California === === === === Custodian of the PICLIST Fund -- For more info, see: === === http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499/fund.html ===

---------- From: Don McKenzie[SMTP:spamBeGonedontronicsspamBeGoneLABYRINTH.NET.AU] Sent: 05 November 1996 11:41 To: Multiple recipients of list PICLIST Subject: Re: C Compiler Scott Walsh wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Guys, > > Has anybody got any comments on the various C compilers that are > available for the PIC's. I plan to use a 16c64/65! > > regards, > Scott. > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ > + Scott Walsh Tel: +44 1793 84 22 18 + > + Design Engineer Fax: +44 1793 84 88 53 + > + Tlx: 44626 PLANAC G + > + Plantronics International + > + Wootton Bassett, Wiltshire, + > + SN4 8QQ, England. EMail: TakeThisOuTscott.walshEraseMEspam_OUTplantronics.com + > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ I can only comment on MPLAB-C as this is what I have recently used for an industrial control project in the last 3 months. I will only say one thing about it..... DO NOT BUY IT. It comes in right at the top of the list of the worst software I have ever bought. In summary: Divide your time to release by four. (C compared with assembler) Multiply the result by (4 * RAND) time to figure out how to use the compiler effectively. I bought this product as opposed to the CCS compiler for one reason only, I thought that it would be well supported in the UK, THERE IS NO SUPPORT for MPLAB-C currently. No-one is able to answer any technical problems about this product because it is and I quote " too new ". Buy the CCS compiler, it is only $99.00 the last time I looked and it really cannot be any worse than Microchip's effort. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. Rich Milburn.

Zsolt Bringye wrote: > > I found an ad about a low priced C compiler for the PIC (CCS C > compiler, USD > 99). It's more cheaper than the other C compilers for the PIC and > other > microcontrolers. Have this compiler any big drawback? Do anybody knows > what is > the reason of the big price difference? > > Thank You > Zsolt Bringye > Hungary/Europe There is a review of 4 different PIC C compilers at: http://www.dontronics.com/ccs.html Although a little dated now, it will give you some idea. Any new reviews welcome from anyone, yes anyone, but not too long please. Don McKenzie donEraseME.....dontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com SimmStick(tm) Atmel & PIC proto PCB's. 30 pin Simm Module Format. SLI, the serial LCD that auto detects baud rates from 100 to 125K bps. Send a blank message to EraseMEinfodontronics.com for more details.

It is cheap to purchase and has lots of build in functions macros etc. However, my experience with was not so great. I had two major bugs for which I could not get any solution from CCS: 1) Related to bank switching. PCLATH was not protected well. I had an INT when servicing at bank1, PC switched to bank0 for isr. Unfortunatelly return from isr did not reach bank1 stayed in bank0 which translates my program crashed. 2) I had a long (16 bit) global variable, during a multiplication operation compiler allocated higher byte of the variable for its use, it was too late before I notice this unlawful memory sharing and wasted 100 OTP 16C65s. I was using around 70% of RAM. The bottom line is that CCS compiler coast me more than what I paid for it. I guess, if you plan to hack with it, it may be fun enjoy it. But if you really plan to do something serious and you don't like asm you should get a bug free C compiler. MChips mplabc sounds worse than ccs. It may be better idea to develop C based program for a different micro. Aydin > I found an ad about a low priced C compiler for the PIC (CCS C compiler, USD > 99). It's more cheaper than the other C compilers for the PIC and other > microcontrolers. Have this compiler any big drawback? Do anybody knows what is > the reason of the big price difference? > > Thank You > Zsolt Bringye > Hungary/Europe >

Aydin Yesildirek wrote: > It is cheap to purchase and has lots of build in functions macros > etc. However, my experience with was not so great. I had two major > bugs for which I could not get any solution from CCS... <snip> > I guess, if you plan to hack with it, it may be fun enjoy it. But if > you really plan to do something serious and you don't like asm you > should get a bug free C compiler. MChips mplabc sounds worse than > ccs... I believe both the mentioned bugs were corrected. CCS always responds in a timely manner to bug reports. No matter which compiler you use you absolutely must look at the assembly output to see what the compiler has wrought, and you must understand what the compiler is going to do with your code. We use the CCS products and have no complaints. There are also some other nice compilers out there. Tom Rogers VP-R&D Time Tech Inc.

> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 20:50:21 +0200 > From: Zsolt Bringye <RemoveMEzbringyeEraseMEEraseMEMAIL.MATAV.HU> > Subject: C compiler > > I found an ad about a low priced C compiler for the PIC > (CCS C compiler, USD 99). It's more cheaper than the > other C compilers for the PIC and other microcontrolers. > Have this compiler any big drawback? Do anybody knows > what is the reason of the big price difference? No reason at all. I bought that compiler and recently upgraded to their newer Windows based version (which incidentally costs $350 now). Initially there was a few bugs, but CCS gave me an updated copy each time I reported it to them. Nowadays the compiler seems pretty much sorted out and I have developed several products with it which would have taken me a long time to develop if I had to use assembler. As a long time user, I can recommend the CCS compiler. That doesn't mean that its prefect.... for example they did not adhere to ANSI standards. Suddenly a 'char' has the same meaning as an 'int' and a 'long int' becomes what was presviously an 'int' and so on. But once you get used to all that, you can develop very efficient and fast code using their compiler. And its certainly worth the price you pay for it. Rgds Werner -- Werner Terreblanche users.iafrica.com/w/we/wernerte/index.htm RemoveMEwterrebspam_OUTKILLspamplessey.co.za (work) OR RemoveMEwernerteTakeThisOuTspamiafrica.com (home) Plessey SA, PO Box 30451,Tokai 7966, Cape Town, South Africa or at home : Suite 251, PostNet X5061, Stellenbosch, 7599 Tel +27 21 7102251 Fax +27 21 7102886 Home +27 21 8872196 ------------------------------------------------------------

Dag StŒle Bakken wrote: > With a good C-compiler, you will not have to look at the asm output > (of > course), and that good compilers exists. You can program however you want. If you program with any tools at all, including assemblers, and don't check through the listings before releasing product you will be in good company. When you see them, tell them I said hi. There's a general rule about programming called the 5% rule. Some force has to maintain the 95% part of it. Imprudent programming practices are the largest contributor to this force. Always read through the listings. Tom Rogers VP-R&D Time Tech Inc.

Sunthiti how do you prenounce your last name ---------- > From: Sunthiti Patchararungruang <EraseMEsttspamspamBeGonePLUTO.CPE.KU.AC.TH> > To: RemoveMEPICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: C compiler > Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 3:04 AM > > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Toby D. Stensland wrote: > > > I keep on getting mail about a new Hi-Tech ansi C compiler. It is going to > cost > > $800 starting September. Has anyone tried this? > > > > I use Hi-Tech C for my project. It work quite well. I have > not encountered any bug yet. However, it is deficient in some essential > things such as I2C, RS-232, etc. BTW, if any body know the place to get > these libraries, please share it. > > Sunthiti

Wow, you are the first oversea friend who ask me how to pronounce my last name. Ok, Pat-cha-ra-rung-ruang, verbatimly. Can you see? If it is too difficult, you can call me Mr. S&P ... 8-) Sorry, not in PIC topic. Sunthiti On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, The Jacky's wrote: {Quote hidden}> Sunthiti how do you prenounce your last name > > ---------- > > From: Sunthiti Patchararungruang <sttSTOPspamspam_OUTPLUTO.CPE.KU.AC.TH> > > To: spamBeGonePICLISTSTOPspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU > > Subject: Re: C compiler > > Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 3:04 AM > > > > > > I use Hi-Tech C for my project. It work quite well. I have > > not encountered any bug yet. However, it is deficient in some essential > > things such as I2C, RS-232, etc. BTW, if any body know the place to get > > these libraries, please share it. > > > > Sunthiti >

> Dag StŒle Bakken wrote: > >> With a good C-compiler, you will not have to look at the asm output >> (of course), and that good compilers exists. > You can program however you want. If you program with any tools at > all, including assemblers, and don't check through the listings > before releasing product you will be in good company. When you see > them, tell them I said hi. > There's a general rule about programming called the 5% rule. Some > force has to maintain the 95% part of it. Imprudent programming > practices are the largest contributor to this force. > Always read through the listings. I agree with you on this. What I'm talking about is what to do during developement. It may be very time consuming to have to check through the generated code every time the emulator/controller doesn't do what you think it's supposed to do. -Dag

> You can program however you want. If you program with any tools at > all, including assemblers, and don't check through the listings > before releasing product you will be in good company. > Always read through the listings. Listings? What listings? I don't know about you, but the times I'm most likely to use a compiler are where I probably can't analyze the code for correctness anyway (my major embedded system is 8+M of object code.) Fortunately, most compiler errors show up in application-level testing anyway, and can be traced to the compiler relatively easilly (fixing them may be another problem.) We are rather careful about changing compiler versions, however. Source code control is useful, but if you're careful, you'll do version control on your entire tool set... BillW

> > You can program however you want. If you program with any tools at > > all, including assemblers, and don't check through the listings > > before releasing product you will be in good company. > > > Always read through the listings. My last project on the '74 produced 111 pages worth of .lst. Yikes!! -- Friendly Regards Tjaart van der Walt KILLspamtjaartspamBeGonewasp.co.za ________________________________________________________ | WASP International http://wasp.co.za | | R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development | |Vehicle tracking | Telemetry systems | GSM data transfer| |Voice : +27-(0)11-622-8686 | Fax : +27-(0)11-622-8973 | | WGS-84 : 26010.52'S 28006.19'E | |________________________________________________________|

William Chops Westfield wrote: > Listings? What listings? > > I don't know about you, but the times I'm most likely to use a > compiler > are where I probably can't analyze the code for correctness anyway (my > > major embedded system is 8+M of object code.) <snip..> Funny, I've written lots of big systems, but I've never counted klocs. I've never had to read through more than a few k lines of listing for anything I've written. The big systems get assembled out of the little chunks. > We are rather careful about changing compiler versions, however. > Source > code control is useful, but if you're careful, you'll do version > control > on your entire tool set... Good point. --TR

=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5vard?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?T=F8rring?= wrote: > > At 08:30 23.09.97 -0500, you wrote: > > Hello, everyone, > > > > I am considering using C compiler for PIC16C73. If anyone has > > experience with C compiler and/or knows which compiler is good please > > give me some advice. Thanks in advance. > > > > Nancy > > @spam@ndong@spam@spam_OUTsperry-sun.com > > > > I have only tried MPLAB-C, and I will definetly NOT recommend it. I have tried BYTE CRAFT C, and i'm surprise with some routines that don't run! Miguel.

> Hello, everyone, > > I am considering using C compiler for PIC16C73. If anyone has > experience with C compiler and/or knows which compiler is good please > give me some advice. Thanks in advance. > > Nancy > spamBeGonendongKILLspamsperry-sun.com I have tried the MPLAB-C demo version. I have also used a Bytecraft HC05 compiler. I tried the beta version of the Hi-Tech PIC compiler and was impressed enough to buy it (at the beta special price). It seems to me it is much more like a 'real' C compiler than the others (not re-entrant though because of PIC stack limitations). -- Randy Howe (currently consulting @ MPR Extensys Ltd.) Axiak Electronic Design Ltd. "Have PIC tools, will code"

Randy Howe <.....rhowespam_OUTmprextensys.com> writes: > > Hello, everyone, > > > > I am considering using C compiler for PIC16C73. If anyone has > > experience with C compiler and/or knows which compiler is good please > > give me some advice. Thanks in advance. > > > > Nancy > > TakeThisOuTndong.....TakeThisOuTsperry-sun.com > > I have tried the MPLAB-C demo version. I have also used a Bytecraft HC05 > compiler. I tried the beta version of the Hi-Tech PIC compiler and was > impressed enough to buy it (at the beta special price). It seems to me > it is much more like a 'real' C compiler than the others (not re-entrant > though because of PIC stack limitations). Yeah! I really like it quite a bit. I have used CCS PCM before, which has a really nice library but for my taste it had too many code generation bugs... They were very quick in fixing those, though. I finally ordered HT-Soft's compiler because it gerenates nice code and comes with a very complete library WRT ANSI features. It lacks PIC peripheral support, though. At least compared with CCS PCM. But I think this will improve quickly. I was very impressed by the quality of even the first beta of this compiler... One sad thing though: A main reason for me to buy the HT-SOFT immediately was that they advertise it produces code for the 17CXX. I only found out it doesn't when I received the disk. They said that they would upgrade the compiler to support the 17CXX for free, which is OK, but it won't be before January as far as I understood. Which is bad, since on their web page they used to give you the impression that 17CXX support is already in the compiler... Otherwise, Clyde Smith-Stubbs who always answers all my e-mails to HI-SOFT and is an active and well known member of this list is very helpful in every aspect and very willing to answer questions and provide solutions. So if you can wait for the 17CXX support, I would really recommend the Compiler. AFAIK it is the only one with a *decent* floating point support an a really sufficient range of integer sizes... Bye, Aki > > -- > Randy Howe > (currently consulting @ MPR Extensys Ltd.) > Axiak Electronic Design Ltd. > "Have PIC tools, will code"

Aschwin Gopalan wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Randy Howe <TakeThisOuTrhoweKILLspamspammprextensys.com> writes: > > > > Hello, everyone, > > > > > > I am considering using C compiler for PIC16C73. If anyone has > > > experience with C compiler and/or knows which compiler is good please > > > give me some advice. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Nancy > > > .....ndongRemoveMEsperry-sun.com > > > > I have tried the MPLAB-C demo version. I have also used a Bytecraft HC05 > > compiler. I tried the beta version of the Hi-Tech PIC compiler and was > > impressed enough to buy it (at the beta special price). It seems to me > > it is much more like a 'real' C compiler than the others (not re-entrant > > though because of PIC stack limitations). > Yeah! > I really like it quite a bit. I have used CCS PCM before, which has a really > nice library but for my taste it had too many code generation bugs... > They were very quick in fixing those, though. > > I finally ordered HT-Soft's compiler because it gerenates nice code and > comes with a very complete library WRT ANSI features. It lacks PIC peripheral > support, though. At least compared with CCS PCM. But I think this will improve > quickly. I was very impressed by the quality of even the first beta of this > compiler... One sad thing though: A main reason for me to buy the HT-SOFT > immediately was that they advertise it produces code for the 17CXX. I only > found out it doesn't when I received the disk. They said that they would > upgrade the compiler to support the 17CXX for free, which is OK, but it > won't be before January as far as I understood. Which is bad, since on > Otherwise, Clyde Smith-Stubbs who always answers all my e-mails to > HI-SOFT and is an active and well known member of this list is very > helpful in every aspect and very willing to answer questions and > provide solutions. So if you can wait for the 17CXX support, I would > really recommend the Compiler. AFAIK it is the only one with a > *decent* floating point support an a really sufficient range of integer > sizes... I have to object! MPLABC also has floating point support - it floats everywhere! <G> Not to mention the interrupt support (when customers interrupt your sleep) -- Friendly Regards Tjaart van der Walt RemoveMEtjaartspamBeGonewasp.co.za _____________________________________________________________ | WASP International http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html | | R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development | | Vehicle tracking | Telemetry systems | GSM data transfer | | Voice : +27-(0)11-622-8686 | Fax : +27-(0)11-622-8973 | | WGS-84 : 26010.52'S 28006.19'E | |_____________________________________________________________|

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Andri Malafaya Baptista wrote: > Does anyone know of a (shareware, freeware) C compiler for DOS or Win > 3.11 for the 16C84? Then Wolfgang Kynast wrote: > see http://people.frankfurt.netsurf.de/wky/pic.htm#table4 But none of those C compilers were freeware or shareware, they all had a license fee. Was there any particular compiler you were referring to, Wolfgang? -- James Cameron (TakeThisOuTcameronspamstl.dec.com) OpenVMS, Linux, Firewalls, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH, COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers, Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control, Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband. "Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

Wolfgang Kynast wrote: > BTW, why do you think somebody should give away a C compiler > for free? So I can fix it for them, improve it, and send back the changes. So that society as a whole can benefit, and so that we can get on with selling services rather than ephemeral and invisible products. To understand the Open Source Systems methodology and motivations, have a glance through ... http://www.opensource.org/ Anyone interested in a GPL (GNU Public License) PIC 12C509 programmer for Linux now that I have one working? Scratching an itch. -- James Cameron (cameronEraseMEstl.dec.com) OpenVMS, Linux, Firewalls, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH, COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers, Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control, Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband. "Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

Wolfgang Kynast wrote: > BTW, why do you think somebody should give away a C compiler > for free? So I can fix it for them, improve it, and send back the changes. So that society as a whole can benefit, and so that we can get on with selling services rather than ephemeral and invisible products. To understand the Open Source Systems methodology and motivations, have a glance through ... http://www.opensource.org/ Anyone interested in a GPL (GNU Public License) PIC 12C509 programmer for Linux now that I have one working? Scratching an itch. -- James Cameron (@spam@cameronRemoveMEEraseMEstl.dec.com) OpenVMS, Linux, Firewalls, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH, COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers, Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control, Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband. "Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

Mitchel wrote: > Please, I need a C compiler for 16C7xx and 16C62x families. > Does anybody know where I can find it ? > Best regards. > Mitchel Monteiro C and Pascal compilers for PIC and Scenix and PIC code generator. Internet Download. http://www.dontronics.com/cap.html HI-TECH PICmicro "C" Compiler CD-Rom http://www.dontronics.com/hi-tech.html CCS C PICmicro Compilers. Disk and manual. http://www.dontronics.com/ccs.html Don McKenzie spamBeGonedonEraseMEdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html Australian Electronics Ring http://www.dontronics.com/aering.html Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com

I found the PCM C Compiler from CCS on the http://www.picwiser.com site for $89. On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:17:24 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote: {Quote hidden}> Mitchel wrote: > > Please, I need a C compiler for 16C7xx and 16C62x families. > > Does anybody know where I can find it ? > > Best regards. > > Mitchel Monteiro > > C and Pascal compilers for PIC and Scenix and PIC code generator. > Internet Download. > http://www.dontronics.com/cap.html > > HI-TECH PICmicro "C" Compiler CD-Rom > http://www.dontronics.com/hi-tech.html > > CCS C PICmicro Compilers. Disk and manual. > http://www.dontronics.com/ccs.html > > Don McKenzie donspamBeGonedontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com > > Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html > Australian Electronics Ring http://www.dontronics.com/aering.html > Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com

Kelvin Visteron wrote: > > I found the PCM C Compiler from CCS on the > http://www.picwiser.com site for $89. > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:17:24 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote: > > CCS C PICmicro Compilers. Disk and manual. > > http://www.dontronics.com/ccs.html Is that with a free SimmStick? :-) Don McKenzie RemoveMEdon@spam@spamBeGonedontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html Australian Electronics Ring http://www.dontronics.com/aering.html Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com

It was hard to tell from the web site but is it a complete simmstick or just a PCB (without components)? And what is the price? I looked around but it seemed too confusing to find any pricing. Thanks... On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:35:06 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote: {Quote hidden}> Kelvin Visteron wrote: > > > > I found the PCM C Compiler from CCS on the > > http://www.picwiser.com site for $89. > > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:17:24 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote: > > > > CCS C PICmicro Compilers. Disk and manual. > > > http://www.dontronics.com/ccs.html > > Is that with a free SimmStick? :-) > > Don McKenzie .....don@spam@EraseMEdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com > > Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html > Australian Electronics Ring http://www.dontronics.com/aering.html > Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com

Kelvin Visteron wrote: > > It was hard to tell from the web site but is it a complete > simmstick or just a PCB (without components)? And what is > the price? I looked around but it seemed too confusing to > find any pricing. > > > > CCS C PICmicro Compilers. Disk and manual. > > > > http://www.dontronics.com/ccs.html First paragraph on that page Kelvin is: We offer a Free DT101 SimmStick PCB with every mEL PICBasic, and CCS C Compiler sold. The PCB is a PCB, no components, sorry. :-( and four lines down from that is a link: Check the Dontronics "Manual and Disk" prices page for full pricing calculations. hope this helps. Don McKenzie .....donRemoveMEdontronics.com http://www.dontronics.com Don's Download Dungeon: http://www.dontronics.com/download.html Australian Electronics Ring http://www.dontronics.com/aering.html Win $500USD Cash. Micro design contest: http://www.simmstick.com

Donald D'Alessandro <RemoveMEPICLISTspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get a C compiler for the PIC17C44? Sure, Donald... Bytecraft Limited (just around the corner from you in Waterloo) sells one; so does Hi-Tech Software (on the other side of the globe, in Australia): http://www.bytecraft.com http://www.hitech.com.au/ Personally, I use Bytecraft's compiler, but they're both very good. -Andy === Andrew Warren - spamBeGonefastfwdKILLspam@spam@ix.netcom.com === Fast Forward Engineering - San Diego, California === http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2499

Pellet C will be a good option, which is very much simular to TurboC But it is 32-bit. YOurs SaRIn.... On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Bob Blick <spamBeGonebobblick@spam@ftml.net> wrote: {Quote hidden}> Charles, you need to add the [PIC] topic tag to your post. > > Bob > > > On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:11:25 -0500, "Charles Rogers" said: > > Am trying to find a good C compiler, am not looking for a freebe. > > Just a good compiler that will will work with Win XP > > Any suggestions will be appreciated. > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > -