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1999\04\05@052721 by Nuno Pedrosa

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Hi!

My little project now includes two counters, one resettable, and one
that isn't.
Comments are in portuguese, and the code is a little "spreaded", but is
working fine.

If anyone is interested, I can send it, or post it as an alfa version.

Anyway. I have a problem. I'm using five, 2cm, 7seg displays. They're
fine, most of the time. But this for a 4x4 "car", and when the sun
shines on the digits, they shy away... 8)

I've been looking for 5 digit LCD displays, or something close to that,
but I've only found:

- Small digits, n lines with n columns and controller included LCDs.
- Big digits, no controller and a huge amount of pins displays...

For visibility sake, I'll have to use the big ones, but there's a little
problem... How do I drive them???

My problem is seeing the numbers when light falls on them. If someone
has an idea, cheap to use, I'd love to hear it!

Thank you!
Nuno Pedrosa.
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1999\04\05@054432 by Mark Willis

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Nuno Pedrosa wrote:
> <snipped>
> Anyway. I have a problem. I'm using five, 2cm, 7seg displays. They're
> fine, most of the time. But this for a 4x4 "car", and when the sun
> shines on the digits, they shy away... 8)
> <snipped>
> For visibility sake, I'll have to use the big ones, but there's a little
> problem... How do I drive them???
>
> My problem is seeing the numbers when light falls on them. If someone
> has an idea, cheap to use, I'd love to hear it!
>
> Thank you!
> Nuno Pedrosa.

 Can you put a sunshade on there so that the sun cannot get AT the face
of the displays?  I'd think that should help (If practical in your
situation - I don't know all the details here <G>)  Same situation when
the sun hits this computers' monitor, it's unreadable - I block the sun,
instead of trying to make the monitor brighter.  If I had a sketch or
something I might be better able to brainstorm on this <G>

 Mark

1999\04\05@062129 by Nuno Pedrosa

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A sunshade? Well, yes. I could use a sunshade...

But... I know that this might sound foolish to some:

It must look "cool"! 8)

You see, this is for a specific "market". It's a bunch of people who own
4x4s, either old or new, that like to join together, drive through mud,
and have a big dinner!
I'm included, BTW. 8)

There's a product in market, the TerraTrip, but their counters are
_waaaay_ expensive. I'm not looking to compete with them. I would just
like to provide a bunch of friends with a cool-looking, feature packed,
affordable, meter counter. 8)

Putting it in C:

if !(too_much_trouble)
 use(LCD_approach);
else {
 stick_with( 7seg_LedDisplays);
 use( sunshade);
}

I've also thought of a graphic LCD. I bought one, 122x32. But with so
little memory available, it might get tricky, to use it... It's also a
little pricey, but not that much.

Nuno.

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1999\04\05@093558 by Mark Willis

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Oh, now I get the application (I'd misunderstood, thought MODEL
cars?!)

 Worst case, simplify the use of the graphic LCD (using a "7 segment
font" that lets you paint 7 segment-like bars for your 5 digits, should
save on code and lookup tables.)  I'd think I/O pins on your PIC would
be more of a problem than memory?  Just an extra 2 pins would let you
tack on a 24LC65, should solve your memory shortage <G>

 Price raises always get passed on to the customer <G>  Realistically,
a $10 piece of hardware that makes the software $20 easier to write, can
be a GOOD investment in the long term.  For low production items,
anyways.

 Mark

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1999\04\05@100031 by Nuno Pedrosa

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I can't give you exact numbers right now. I don't have the DS with me.
But I think that the 13 I/Os of the 16f84 are enough. Naturally, Muxing
will be required.

Right now, I have 3 unused pins. They could very well take I2C.

As for the 7seg LCDs displays, they do have a lot of pins, but, again,
they can probably be muxed. I'll have to try to get DS on them...

I'm sticking with the 16f84, cause I don't have an eraser. I can add
more chips, of course.

Problem, is that I tend to drift away from the main goal.
In this project, I'm trying not to do so. I'd like to finish a working
prototype! 8)

Next step (even before solving the displays) is to draw the PCB.

Meanwhile, I will keep gathering information for version 2.0 (the better
display!).

Bye,
Nuno.

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1999\04\05@135147 by Dwayne Reid

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>Anyway. I have a problem. I'm using five, 2cm, 7seg displays. They're
>fine, most of the time. But this for a 4x4 "car", and when the sun
>shines on the digits, they shy away... 8)
>
>I've been looking for 5 digit LCD displays, or something close to that,
>but I've only found:
>
>- Small digits, n lines with n columns and controller included LCDs.
>- Big digits, no controller and a huge amount of pins displays...

One thing to consider is Scott Edward's neat approach of using a 4 line LCD
display to make a large numeric display.  Check the Nuts and Volts web site
for past articles - I think that is where I saw it.

dwayne


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