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'Atmel list'
1998\09\25@024824 by Lynx {Glenn Jones}

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is there a mailing list similar to this one for discussing Atmel's
products?

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1998\09\25@040643 by Don McKenzie

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Lynx {Glenn Jones} wrote:
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> is there a mailing list similar to this one for discussing Atmel's
> products?

Yep, have a look at:
http://www.dontronics.com/chat.html
for pointers

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1998\09\25@062836 by paulb

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Lynx {Glenn Jones} wrote:

> is there a mailing list similar to this one for discussing Atmel's
> products?

The Atmel list is very quiet (perhaps an advantage), but useful.
Signup data at http://www.ip.co.za/people/kalle/atmel.htm#list .

 The Motorola HC11 list, which fields most of the practical HC12 and
HC16 stuff as well, and is tenuously related to HC05 stuff, can be
subscribed by sending to EraseMEMajordomospam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTfreeware.mcu.motsps.com with
the command in the message body subscribe mot-68hc11-apps <your-address>
It is *fairly* busy; perhaps half the traffic of this.

 For the Philips 8051 derivative list (comes in digest form; some
advantages, some disadvantages), you send a SUBJECT line command
"subscribe" to forum-requestspamspam_OUTphilipsmcu.com
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       Paul B.

1998\09\25@073356 by Clewer,Brian

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Miss Webster wrote:

> The Atmel list is very quiet (perhaps an advantage), but useful.
>Signup data at http://www.ip.co.za/people/kalle/atmel.htm#list .

Yep, infact it is SO quiet, I have been on this list for the past three
months and not received ONE mail from the list!!!

Brian.

1998\09\25@081147 by Don McKenzie

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Clewer,Brian wrote:
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> Miss Webster wrote:
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> > The Atmel list is very quiet (perhaps an advantage), but useful.
> >Signup data at http://www.ip.co.za/people/kalle/atmel.htm#list .
>
> Yep, infact it is SO quiet, I have been on this list for the past
> three
> months and not received ONE mail from the list!!!
>
> Brian.

In that case Brian, you aren't subscribed correctly.
I send it 2 or 3 a week usually.

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'Atmel list'
1999\08\12@191833 by Russell McMahon
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From: Brent Brown +ADw-brent.brown+AEA-clear.net.nz+AD4-

I have seen a couple of postings lately on the PIC list and Philips
list with the reference to the Atmel list - but I can't find it+ACE-  Can you
please tell me how to get onto it?  I went to their web site and
subscribbled to the newsletter but it dosen't seem to be the same
thing.
Thanks in advance, Brent


Try these -


Back in September last year PaulB write that Glen Jones wrote -


+AD4- is there a mailing list similar to this one for discussing Atmel's
+AD4- products?

The Atmel list is very quiet (perhaps an advantage), but useful.
Signup data at http://www.ip.co.za/people/kalle/atmel.htm+ACM-list .

 The Motorola HC11 list, which fields most of the practical HC12 and
HC16 stuff as well, and is tenuously related to HC05 stuff, can be
subscribed by sending to TakeThisOuTMajordomo+AEA-freeware.mcu.motsps.com with
the command in the message body subscribe mot-68hc11-apps +ADw-your-address+AD4-
It is +ACo-fairly+ACo- busy+ADs- perhaps half the traffic of this.


THIS NEXT ONE MAY BE OUT OF DATE

 For the Philips 8051 derivative list (comes in digest form+ADs- some
advantages, some disadvantages), you send a SUBJECT line command
+ACI-subscribe+ACI- to RemoveMEforum-request+AEA-philipsmcu.com




RM

1999\08\12@221338 by Wagner Lipnharski

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Russell McMahon wrote:
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> It is +ACo-fairly+ACo- busy+ADs- perhaps half the traffic of this.
>
> THIS NEXT ONE MAY BE OUT OF DATE
>
>   For the Philips 8051 derivative list (comes in digest form+ADs- some
> advantages, some disadvantages), you send a SUBJECT line command
> +ACI-subscribe+ACI- to EraseMEforum-request+AEA-philipsmcu.com
>
> RM

I should not say this, but...just a wise recommendation about that Atmel
list... read and re-read your post 100 times before you click the "Send"
button, do not post anything that is not 100% directed connected to
Atmel parts, not even dream about to ask or post about general logic,
transistors, ttl gates, RS232, protocols, the best keyboard matrix
solutions, lcd manufacturer, switching power supplies or something like
that. If you want to ask about how to eliminate ripple at VCC you should
specify why and how it is interfering with your Atmel part. Kalle
controls the forum with Iron's Hand and there is no chance you can think
about that forum as a source of information other than pure Atmel parts.
That forum is not connected to Atmel in any way.

As you can imagine, Atmel produced the AVR series after the 8051, as a
RISC high quality new step over the '51 family, with different
instruction code and logic, but almost *all* the AVR users are old '51
users, so it is very easy to start a long sequence of threads about '51
there. Several times it was widely discussed about to separate '51
people from that forum, even that Atmel has at least 5 parts based on
the '51 family. Several new '51 forums started to try to minimize the
problems there.

I made part of that forum for several months, and last year I saw
somebody asking for help about a problem related to keys, leds and logic
to connect to an Atmel part, I saw several posts crossing and several
people trying to help the person. As the problem was not very well
posted, it took a while to make the helpers understand clearly what was
the real problem, so several ASCII drawings crossed the bandwidth. When
I saw the situation I tried to help the person, made a circuit drawing
at Orcad and emailed the gif file to the person's email address as an
attachment. The person answered my email to the forum instead to me (I
don't know why), I received a copy and not noticed the wrong "reply to",
answered with another 5k image attachment of another drawing and found a
mistake at the drawing, corrected it and sent again (by mistake to the
forum again). In the mean time of my two posts somebody did complain
about the attachments and I did not see it, so Kalle thought I was
stepping above people's complains there, and you know what? he BANNED me
from the forum, my posts were not echoed to the list anymore.
Attachments are not allowed at that forum, well, not at any forum, but
people do mistakes.

I am not a kid anymore, I don't "play" and this is not a game, my time
is valuable and if I dedicate my time to help strangers around it is my
choice and it represents some value to my life. Somebody said I am dumb
to help strangers, I am very sad to find people that think like that. I
am pretty sure that kind of people love to receive help from strangers
when they need it. Perhaps 99% of the time my posts are [OT], but in
some way we learn a lot from [OT] posts. How many forums do you visit to
have answers to all your questions regarding electronics? The best
teacher I ever had at electronic classes was one nice guy who dedicated
half of the class time to talk about how to build a telescope, how he
fixed his car carburetor in the middle of the street, and how his
neighbor fixed a nasty ants attack at the backyard. Even so, the class
average grades were always higher than all other teachers.

I am nobody, but that situation created a large confusion at that forum,
I received more than 100 emails of support, and some nasty ones too
(there are always nasty ones). More than dozen friends fed me with the
"fighting posts" that followed that day. One of those "help and
supportive" emails had a phrase I saved for life, I would never forget
it, and I believe not even Kalle will (it was also posted to the forum,
somebody told me later), it says; "IT IS VERY NICE TO BE IMPORTANT, BUT
IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO BE NICE".  I recognize some names here from
the Atmel forum, Mr. Brent Crosby (recently arrived here) is one of the
nice and fine persons I met there. By the same reason I can alert you
not to connect a PIC to +500Vdc I am saying "beware of that forum iron's
hand". I always said that a forum is made by the people who frequent it,
not by the "king of the mountain".

I hope I not motivating people to do [OT]s, I understand that there are
[OT]s and [OT]s, I think that in an electronic PIC forum for example,
you could post an [OT] relative to ripple at VCC or how to program a LCD
display, or how to transmit data via power lines... in some way
everything is relative, everybody can learn a little bit more. But you
will not post an [OT] about how to bake a cake, except if the oven is
PIC controlled, huh? ;)

A forum should be a friendly place, where you go because you feel
confortable and as a wonderful resource of information, and this one
here is one of the best I ever found.

Please, my speech was big and enough, try to avoid to expand this
subject.

Wagner.

1999\08\12@224328 by Bob Drzyzgula

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On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 11:01:27AM +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:
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> Try these -
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> The Atmel list is very quiet (perhaps an advantage), but useful.
> Signup data at http://www.ip.co.za/people/kalle/atmel.htm+ACM-list .

There is also an AVR-specific list at http://www.egroups.com/group/avr/.
One can read and/or post on the website, or do it through one's
own email. The mail volume seems very low, but I had one problem
a few days ago and I was impressed at how quickly I got the problem
resolved.

> THIS NEXT ONE MAY BE OUT OF DATE
>
>   For the Philips 8051 derivative list (comes in digest form+ADs- some
> advantages, some disadvantages), you send a SUBJECT line command
> +ACI-subscribe+ACI- to RemoveMEforum-request+AEA-philipsmcu.com

I believe that this is in fact out of date. Go to:
http://www.semiconductors.com/mcu/support/forum

--Bob

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1999\08\15@093911 by paulb

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Russell McMahon wrote with mark-up (funny settings there?).  Permit me
to quote my original to see if the links come through intact:

The Atmel list is very quiet (perhaps an advantage), but useful.
Sign-up data at http://www.ip.co.za/people/kalle/atmel.htm#list .

 No, these others have all changed!

 The Motorola HC11 list, which fields most of the practical HC12 and
HC16 stuff as well, and is tenuously related to HC05 stuff, can be
accessed via http://www.mcu.motsps.com/lit/faq/major.html#zubscribe

>> It is *fairly* busy; perhaps half the traffic of this.

 Well, one quarter (or less) might be a better guess actually.

 The Philips list?  http://www.semiconductors.com/mcu/support/forum/ is
now the recommended entry point.
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       Paul B.

1999\08\15@190137 by Brent Brown

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Thanks to all who gave me tips and directions on where to find the
Atmel list.  I'm subscribed OK now.

BTW, I'm using Pegasus Mail for Windows which I reccomend as a
really good email program.  I've got mine set up to change the color
of messages from different email lists as they come into my new
mail folder, and then filter them into seperate subfolders when the
new mail folder is closed.

Its free and very comprehensive.  Check it out at
http://pmail.usa.com/



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Hamilton, New Zealand
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