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'ALL: [ADMIN]: Bounces yet again.'
2001\06\01@224921 by James Newton. Admin 3

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For those few of you who haven't noticed this yet... the list is
experiencing bounces yet again. My bounce detector from the archive engine
picked it up and Mark Willis was quick to diagnose and act to stop the
problem, but it will still take a while to settle out, so please be patient
and ignore the sense of "deja vue" <GRIN>

I plan to work with Dale and anyone else who knows how to parse email
headers to find a way to just automatically react to these problems.

James Newton, PICList Admin #3
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2001\06\02@101322 by Olin Lathrop

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> For those few of you who haven't noticed this yet... the list is
> experiencing bounces yet again. My bounce detector from the archive engine
> picked it up and Mark Willis was quick to diagnose and act to stop the
> problem, but it will still take a while to settle out, so please be
patient
> and ignore the sense of "deja vue" <GRIN>

An easy way to detect a bounced message is to look for multiple "signature"
blocks that are appended by the PICList server each time thru it, like this
one:

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> [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

These have a unique enough signature and always occurr at the end to make
them reasonably easy to detect by software.  Too bad it can't also
automatically reject reply messages from people too lazy to trim them off
(because they would be preceeded by "> " usually).


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2001\06\02@123004 by Dale Botkin

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On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Olin Lathrop wrote:

> An easy way to detect a bounced message is to look for multiple "signature"
> blocks that are appended by the PICList server each time thru it, like this
> one:
>
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> > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

I thought of this right off, and it's a good idea, but unfortunately there
are some mail clients (Outlook for one) that can be configured not to add
the > in front of the original text included in a reply.

Dale

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2001\06\02@153204 by Olin Lathrop

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> I thought of this right off, and it's a good idea, but unfortunately there
> are some mail clients (Outlook for one) that can be configured not to add
> the > in front of the original text included in a reply.

Then this method has the added advantage of rejecting messages from people
that are too lazy to trim the message they are replying to.  Also note that
Outlook comes configured with "> " in front of original text by default.
Again, even if your mailer doesn't somehow mark original text unique from
reply text (which is obnoxious in itself), then you can (and should) still
trim the automatic signature from the bottom of the message.


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2001\06\02@154026 by Dale Botkin

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On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Olin Lathrop wrote:

> > I thought of this right off, and it's a good idea, but unfortunately there
> > are some mail clients (Outlook for one) that can be configured not to add
> > the > in front of the original text included in a reply.
>
> Then this method has the added advantage of rejecting messages from people
> that are too lazy to trim the message they are replying to.  Also note that
> Outlook comes configured with "> " in front of original text by default.

Mayb Express does, but I don't think Outlook does.  After a fresh istall I
believe it's configured for maximum irritation, which is HTML with
indenting of original text in the reply.

> Again, even if your mailer doesn't somehow mark original text unique from
> reply text (which is obnoxious in itself), then you can (and should) still
> trim the automatic signature from the bottom of the message.

Yes, but I'd like to think we're a little more tolerant of those that
don't always do things exactly the way we'd like them to.  Until the
prefixing of > to included text becomes part of the RFC, we'll just have
to live with it.  Think of it as building character.

Dale
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2001\06\02@220313 by Olin Lathrop

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> Mayb Express does, but I don't think Outlook does.  After a fresh istall I
> believe it's configured for maximum irritation, which is HTML with
> indenting of original text in the reply.

Express defaults to that too, and I have to fix it every time I reinstall.
But even that would work because the HTML formatting would prevent two
"bare" successive piclist server signatures.

> Yes, but I'd like to think we're a little more tolerant of those that
> don't always do things exactly the way we'd like them to.

I prefer to not let the assinine few waste time of the many.  Besides, the
PIClist official policy DOES state that you are supposed to trim unnecessary
stuff from a message when replying to it.


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