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Hi fellow PICers Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and PIC chips? Thank you Rob

Needham's EMP-20 http://www.quiknet.com/~needhams also carried by digikey $449.00 + $50 for three modules (comes with standard three modules) michael At 12:06 AM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>Hi fellow PICers > >Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that >supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and >PIC chips? > >Thank you > >Rob > >

Hi Rob, I have a Needham's EMP-20 that I like a lot. Digi-Key bundles them with an extra personality module(it just happens to be the PIC module) along with the regular three. Price is about $450. Web site is something like http://www.needhams.com/ Cheerful regards, Bob At 12:06 AM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>Hi fellow PICers > >Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that >supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and >PIC chips? > >Thank you > >Rob > > http://www.bobblick.com/

Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and PIC chips? Check out the programmer from Needham's. I've only actually used one of their old PROM burners, but it worked nicely, the specs of their "program anything" box look nice, and they've been around for a long time now (the prom burner I used was nearly 10 years ago!), so they can't be all bad. The price comes close to your $500 mark... Try checking out http://www.needhams.com BillW

I use the Needham's EMP20, about $400 USD, and supports _almost_ everything (up to 48 pins without adapters). Runs off a PC parallel port (very portable, no cards inside PC). This devices uses highly reliable "family modules" to keep the cost down (true universal programmers are >$1000). Note that PIC's and 68HCxx devices are not supported with the three base modules supplied with the programmer, but additional modules are only $25 USD. I am very happy with it. I bought my locally in the Toronto Canada area, but you can buy direct from Needham's if you can't find it near you. http://www.quiknet.com/~needhams/ CIAO - Martin R. Green spam_OUTelimarTakeThisOuTbigfoot.com PS. Needham's have just released the EMP30, more devices, more pins without adapters, but I think the EMP20 will fill your needs perfectly. PPS. Needham's also have an EMP10 economy programmer, but it can only support the PIC16C5x devices and only Lattice 22v10 GAL's (no other brands), to name a few limitations. ---------- From: Rob Zitka[SMTP:.....robzsKILLspam@spam@HICOM.NET] Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 12:06 AM To: PICLISTKILLspammitvma.mit.edu Subject: A programmer question Hi fellow PICers Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and PIC chips? Thank you Rob

I looked at their web page, but didn't see anything for the 80C51, though I think I saw something for the 87C51??? i want to learn some more mainstream type devices, such as Intel and Motorola so i was hoping to get a universal programmer, but nothing to break the bank as this will be purchased for my own use (not paid by my company). So far every response has been for the Needhams EMP-20 which is very reassuring. I saw it in Electronic Design. Will give them a call for more details. Thanks all PICers :) Rob On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Martin R. Green wrote: {Quote hidden}> I use the Needham's EMP20, about $400 USD, and supports _almost_ everything > (up to 48 pins without adapters). Runs off a PC parallel port (very > portable, no cards inside PC). This devices uses highly reliable "family > modules" to keep the cost down (true universal programmers are >$1000). > Note that PIC's and 68HCxx devices are not supported with the three base > modules supplied with the programmer, but additional modules are only $25 > USD. > > I am very happy with it. I bought my locally in the Toronto Canada area, > but you can buy direct from Needham's if you can't find it near you. > > http://www.quiknet.com/~needhams/ > > CIAO - Martin R. Green > .....elimarKILLspam.....bigfoot.com > > PS. Needham's have just released the EMP30, more devices, more pins without > adapters, but I think the EMP20 will fill your needs perfectly. > > PPS. Needham's also have an EMP10 economy programmer, but it can only > support the PIC16C5x devices and only Lattice 22v10 GAL's (no other > brands), to name a few limitations. > > ---------- > From: Rob Zitka[SMTP:EraseMErobzsspam_OUTTakeThisOuTHICOM.NET] > Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 12:06 AM > To: PICLISTspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu > Subject: A programmer question > > Hi fellow PICers > > Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that > supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and > PIC chips? > > Thank you > > Rob >

The reason you didn't see the 80C51 listed is that it is not field programmable. All 804x & 80x5x parts designate the programmable version by changing the second number to "7" (874x or 87x5x). So the 87C51 is the field programmable version of the 80C51. The EMP20 supports the Intel 87xxx devices with one of the three supplied family modules. As someone else here pointed out, if you buy your EMP20 from Digi-Key they include module #4 as well, which supports many (16C5x, 16Cxx) PIC devices (but not all, you may need up to 3 modules to cover all PIC devices). The Needham's web site has complete device support listings in HTML format (with module and/or pin adapter required), so it is easy to see if it will support the stuff you need it to, and what extras you might need. BTW, Needham's seems to be fairly good at keeping the software updated for new devices (they just added the PIC14000). CIAO - Martin R. Green @spam@elimarKILLspambigfoot.com ---------- From: Rob[SMTP:KILLspamrobzsKILLspamHICOM.NET] Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 1:38 PM To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu Subject: Re: A programmer question I looked at their web page, but didn't see anything for the 80C51, though I think I saw something for the 87C51??? i want to learn some more mainstream type devices, such as Intel and Motorola so i was hoping to get a universal programmer, but nothing to break the bank as this will be purchased for my own use (not paid by my company). So far every response has been for the Needhams EMP-20 which is very reassuring. I saw it in Electronic Design. Will give them a call for more details. Thanks all PICers :) Rob On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Martin R. Green wrote: > I use the Needham's EMP20, about $400 USD, and supports _almost_ everything {Quote hidden}> (up to 48 pins without adapters). Runs off a PC parallel port (very > portable, no cards inside PC). This devices uses highly reliable "family > modules" to keep the cost down (true universal programmers are >$1000). > Note that PIC's and 68HCxx devices are not supported with the three base > modules supplied with the programmer, but additional modules are only $25 > USD. > > I am very happy with it. I bought my locally in the Toronto Canada area, > but you can buy direct from Needham's if you can't find it near you. > > http://www.quiknet.com/~needhams/ > > CIAO - Martin R. Green > spamBeGoneelimarspamBeGonebigfoot.com > > PS. Needham's have just released the EMP30, more devices, more pins without {Quote hidden}> adapters, but I think the EMP20 will fill your needs perfectly. > > PPS. Needham's also have an EMP10 economy programmer, but it can only > support the PIC16C5x devices and only Lattice 22v10 GAL's (no other > brands), to name a few limitations. > > ---------- > From: Rob Zitka[SMTP:TakeThisOuTrobzsEraseMEspam_OUTHICOM.NET] > Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 12:06 AM > To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu > Subject: A programmer question > > Hi fellow PICers > > Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that > supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and > PIC chips? > > Thank you > > Rob >

Does the EMP-20 perform the required voltage limit testing for to be a production type programmer? Or does it only qualify as a development type like the PicStart Plus? Of course it can program a greater number of devices!! Alan Nickerson

At 10:49 PM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote: >Does the EMP-20 perform the required voltage limit testing for to be a >production type programmer? Yes, it does. It's very versatile. >Or does it only qualify as a development >type like the PicStart Plus? > >Of course it can program a greater number of devices!! That's why I bought one. :-) -Bob >Alan Nickerson > > http://www.bobblick.com/

Yes, it blank checks and program verifies at both voltage limits and qualifies as a production programmer. Highly recommended! CIAO - Martin R. Green elimarEraseME.....bigfoot.com ---------- From: Alan Nickerson[SMTP:EraseMEanickiversoft.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 10:49 PM To: RemoveMEPICLISTEraseMEEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu Subject: Re: A programmer question Does the EMP-20 perform the required voltage limit testing for to be a production type programmer? Or does it only qualify as a development type like the PicStart Plus? Of course it can program a greater number of devices!! Alan Nickerson