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1997\08\22@002240 by Rob Zitka

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Hi fellow PICers

Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that
supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and
PIC chips?

Thank you

Rob

1997\08\22@003903 by Michael S. Hagberg

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Needham's EMP-20

http://www.quiknet.com/~needhams

also carried by digikey $449.00 + $50 for three modules
(comes with standard three modules)

michael

At 12:06 AM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
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1997\08\22@013857 by Bob Blick

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Hi Rob,

I have a Needham's EMP-20 that I like a lot. Digi-Key bundles them with an
extra personality module(it just happens to be the PIC module) along with
the regular three. Price is about $450. Web site is something like
http://www.needhams.com/

Cheerful regards,

Bob

At 12:06 AM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
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http://www.bobblick.com/

1997\08\22@014035 by William Chops Westfield

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   Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under
   preferrably, that supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11,
   Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and PIC chips?

Check out the programmer from Needham's.  I've only actually used one
of their old PROM burners, but it worked nicely, the specs of their
"program anything" box look nice, and they've been around for a long
time now (the prom burner I used was nearly 10 years ago!), so they
can't be all bad.  The price comes close to your $500 mark...

Try checking out http://www.needhams.com

BillW

1997\08\22@103154 by Martin R. Green

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I use the Needham's EMP20, about $400 USD, and supports _almost_ everything
(up to 48 pins without adapters).  Runs off a PC parallel port (very
portable, no cards inside PC).  This devices uses highly reliable "family
modules" to keep the cost down (true universal programmers are >$1000).
Note that PIC's and 68HCxx devices are not supported with the three base
modules supplied with the programmer, but additional modules are only $25
USD.

I am very happy with it.  I bought my locally in the Toronto Canada area,
but you can buy direct from Needham's if you can't find it near you.

   http://www.quiknet.com/~needhams/

CIAO - Martin R. Green
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PS. Needham's have just released the EMP30, more devices, more pins without
adapters, but I think the EMP20 will fill your needs perfectly.

PPS. Needham's also have an EMP10 economy programmer, but it can only
support the PIC16C5x devices and only Lattice 22v10 GAL's (no other
brands), to name a few limitations.

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Sent:   Friday, August 22, 1997 12:06 AM
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Subject:        A programmer question

Hi fellow PICers

Any recommendations for a chip programmer, $500 or under preferrably, that
supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips, and
PIC chips?

Thank you

Rob

1997\08\22@134237 by Rob

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I looked at their web page, but didn't see anything for the 80C51, though
I think I saw something for the 87C51???  i want to learn some more
mainstream type devices, such as Intel and Motorola so i was hoping to get
a universal programmer, but nothing to break the bank as this will be
purchased for my own use (not paid by my company).

So far every response has been for the Needhams EMP-20 which is very
reassuring.  I saw it in Electronic Design.  Will give them a call for
more details.

Thanks all PICers :)

Rob


On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Martin R. Green wrote:

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1997\08\22@142340 by Martin R. Green

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The reason you didn't see the 80C51 listed is that it is not field
programmable.  All 804x & 80x5x parts designate the programmable version by
changing the second number to "7" (874x or 87x5x).  So the 87C51 is the
field programmable version of the 80C51.

The EMP20 supports the Intel 87xxx devices with one of the three supplied
family modules.  As someone else here pointed out, if you buy your EMP20
from Digi-Key they include module #4 as well, which supports many (16C5x,
16Cxx) PIC devices (but not all, you may need up to 3 modules to cover all
PIC devices).

The Needham's web site has complete device support listings in HTML format
(with module and/or pin adapter required), so it is easy to see if it will
support the stuff you need it to, and what extras you might need.  BTW,
Needham's seems to be fairly good at keeping the software updated for new
devices (they just added the PIC14000).


CIAO - Martin R. Green
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Subject:        Re: A programmer question

I looked at their web page, but didn't see anything for the 80C51, though
I think I saw something for the 87C51???  i want to learn some more
mainstream type devices, such as Intel and Motorola so i was hoping to get
a universal programmer, but nothing to break the bank as this will be
purchased for my own use (not paid by my company).

So far every response has been for the Needhams EMP-20 which is very
reassuring.  I saw it in Electronic Design.  Will give them a call for
more details.

Thanks all PICers :)

Rob


On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Martin R. Green wrote:

> I use the Needham's EMP20, about $400 USD, and supports _almost_
everything
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> supports Intel 80C51, Motorola 68HC11, Phillips 8051 compatible chips,
and
> PIC chips?
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> Thank you
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> Rob
>

1997\08\22@225037 by anick

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Does the EMP-20 perform the required voltage limit testing for to be a
production type programmer? Or does it only qualify as a development
type like the PicStart Plus?

Of course it can program a greater number of devices!!

Alan Nickerson

1997\08\23@004745 by Bob Blick

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At 10:49 PM 8/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does the EMP-20 perform the required voltage limit testing for to be a
>production type programmer?

Yes, it does. It's very versatile.

>Or does it only qualify as a development
>type like the PicStart Plus?
>
>Of course it can program a greater number of devices!!

That's why I bought one. :-)

-Bob

>Alan Nickerson
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>

http://www.bobblick.com/

1997\08\25@144308 by Martin R. Green

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Yes, it blank checks and program verifies at both voltage limits and qualifies
as a production programmer.  Highly recommended!


CIAO - Martin R. Green
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Sent:   Friday, August 22, 1997 10:49 PM
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Subject:        Re: A programmer question

Does the EMP-20 perform the required voltage limit testing for to be a
production type programmer? Or does it only qualify as a development
type like the PicStart Plus?

Of course it can program a greater number of devices!!

Alan Nickerson

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