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'[OT] Don't you BUY no ugly truck - 2005 Studebaker'
2004\12\08@005421 by Russell McMahon

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It's hard to know whether it will make Hummer owners cower or laugh.

       http://www.avantimotors.com/studespecific.htm

"Functional" design carried to its ludicrous conclusion.
It's interesting that the smaller diesel makes more power and torque, and at
lower revs (torque at MUCH lower revs).

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2004\12\08@050409 by Philip Pemberton

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In message <057301c4dcea$60b4dbe0$d201a8c0@y2k>
         Russell McMahon <spam_OUTapptechTakeThisOuTspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:

> "Functional" design carried to its ludicrous conclusion.
> It's interesting that the smaller diesel makes more power and torque, and at
> lower revs (torque at MUCH lower revs).

1) It's damn ugly
2) It's far too big (IMO). My money's on people buying these things just to
  do the daily school run. Yuck. (yes, there are a lot of people round here
  that own 4x4s (or what I suppose Americans would call SUVs), nearly all of
  them are used by parents to take their kids to school, even though the
  local school is within walking distance).
  I've no objections to people owning 4x4s, as long as no other vehicle is
  suitable - I realise agricultural sites would have a legitimate use for
  a 4x4, but someone who just wants to take the kids to school... Ngh...
3) I guess that thing will probably do, what, 10mpg tops? Ugh. What a
  waste...
 
I expect to be heavily flamed so... asbestos suit ON...
 
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2004\12\08@051333 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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>On Behalf Of Russell McMahon
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>Subject: [OT] Don't you BUY no ugly truck - 2005 Studebaker XUV
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>It's hard to know whether it will make Hummer owners cower or laugh.
>
>        http://www.avantimotors.com/studespecific.htm
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>"Functional" design carried to its ludicrous conclusion.
>It's interesting that the smaller diesel makes more power and
>torque, and at
>lower revs (torque at MUCH lower revs).

Well, it's only 11% smaller displacment and it's turbo charged.  Stick a
turbo on the 6.8litre petrol engine and it also would be producing some
impressive torque figures!

It is *stupendously* ugly though.  Having said that, the convertables
aren't really any better.

Regards

Mike

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2004\12\08@051343 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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No flames from this direction, I totaly agree.

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2004\12\08@083657 by Lawrence Lile

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> I expect to be heavily flamed so... asbestos suit ON...
>

Yes, Phil, I would argue that I REALLY NEED such a truck to get to work in the morning.  Why, just the other day, I was consumed by road rage, and rammed my truck into a hapless passerby who happened to pull out in front of me and cut me off.  So much for HIS car!  I had nary a scratch. It is my god given right to have a vehicle that can plow anything off the road in front of it, be it rain, sleet, snow, or schoolbus.  And if it only gets 3 gallons to the mile, so what? That just shows how rich I am, proving I am important, and proving Americans are the most important people anywhere. So what if everybody thinks we SUV drivers are a**holes? When I am driving over the top of some 50MPG tin lizzie, how much mileage do they get then?  Huh?  Take THAT you tinny little beetley bugs!

<sarcasm off>



-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.
Who rode his bike to work today, with a PIC powered high intensity LED light built into the helmet, thinking about servo driven steering.  



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2004\12\08@094930 by Peter Moreton

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There is a real anti-4x4 thing going on in the UK now, with the 'Campaign
against urban 4x4s' stopping people at road junctions and issuing them with
fake parking tickets asking them to re-consider there use of such vehicles.

In the main, I agree that the innapropriate use of 4x4's should be
discouraged, HOWEVER, in my household we have a sensible economic car, (for
me) and an Isuzu 4x4 (for my wife). The Isuzu goes off road every day, to
get to my wife's horses & goats, which are kept in a field. The Isuzu is
consequently plastered with mud, and full of straw and so far I haven't been
asked by any of the tree-huggers if 'I really need that four by four' (It's
rather obvious that we do!)

Finally, our 4x4 is a diesel and does 30mpg, which is a lot more than say, a
BMW 740 / Jag XKR, Big Merc etc etc. It would make more sense if the
aformentioned huggers would be campaign against all types of vehicle that
guzzle hydrocarbons excessively, and not focus on whether the car has 2 or 4
driven wheels.

Just my (humble) opinion!

Peter Moreton



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2004\12\08@100503 by Mike Hord

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> Yes, Phil, I would argue that I REALLY NEED such a truck to get to
> work in the morning.  Why, just the other day, I was consumed by
> road rage, and rammed my truck into a hapless passerby who
> happened to pull out in front of me and cut me off.  So much for HIS
> car!  I had nary a scratch. It is my god given right to have a vehicle
> that can plow anything off the road in front of it, be it rain, sleet, snow,
>or schoolbus.  And if it only gets 3 gallons to the mile, so what? That
> just shows how rich I am, proving I am important, and proving
> Americans are the most important people anywhere. So what if
> everybody thinks we SUV drivers are a**holes? When I am driving
> over the top of some 50MPG tin lizzie, how much mileage do they
> get then?  Huh?  Take THAT you tinny little beetley bugs!

You're making a joke, Lawrence, but you aren't too far off from the truth.

I saw a man in an SUV literally run a family in a sedan off the road the
other day.  Literally off the road, until the two right hand wheels were on
the turf past the shoulder.  Times like that, I'm glad I have the Highway
Patrol phone number in my cell phone.  ;-)

I think these large SUVs (and big pickup trucks, too) tend to have
extend that feeling of invincibility that teenagers have.  And that sucks
for those of us driving smaller cars.

Mike H., who walks to work every day (to offset his tiny little Subaru
Forester which makes him feel guilty [@28 mpg]).
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2004\12\08@102552 by Dal Wheeler

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Don't worry, I'll drive a little extra to make up for your lack of petroleum
usage.  :)



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Hord
who walks to work every day (to offset his tiny little Subaru
Forester which makes him feel guilty [@28 mpg]).


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2004\12\08@175153 by Lawrence Lile

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Got a real case of Road Rage right up close and personal yesterday.  A guy was not pleased by some nuance of my vehicular driving skill, and followed me for several blocks flashing his lights.  I stopped at a grocery store, and he got out and proceeded to insult my ancestry, parentage, questioned why my vehicle was not in a scrapyard, and so on, mostly incoherently. This display was all done in front of his kids who were sitting in the car at the time.  I was wondering if he was going to clobber me.  I wisely ignored him, as I was on a Fathead-Free Diet that day.  I am sure his kids now have an excellent example of mature, rational adult behaviour to clock their own actions against.  

Next time I feel like flipping off somebody on the road, I'll try to remember this grown-up schoolyard bully and how ridiculous and pointless he was.


-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.

> You're making a joke, Lawrence, but you aren't too far off from the truth.
>
> I saw a man in an SUV literally run a family in a sedan off the road the
> other day.  Literally off the road, until the two right hand wheels were
> on
> the turf past the shoulder.  Times like that, I'm glad I have the Highway
> Patrol phone number in my cell phone.  ;-)
>

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2004\12\08@175827 by Dal Wheeler

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Heh, what'd you do to insight this?  :)

-----Original Message-----
>From Lawrence Lile
Got a real case of Road Rage right up close and personal yesterday.  A guy
was not pleased by some nuance of my vehicular driving skill, and followed
me for several blocks flashing his lights.  I stopped at a grocery store,
and he got out and proceeded to insult my ancestry, parentage, questioned
why my vehicle was not in a scrapyard, and so on, mostly incoherently. This
display was all done in front of his kids who were sitting in the car at the
time.  I was wondering if he was going to clobber me.  I wisely ignored him,
as I was on a Fathead-Free Diet that day.  I am sure his kids now have an
excellent example of mature, rational adult behaviour to clock their own
actions against.  

Next time I feel like flipping off somebody on the road, I'll try to
remember this grown-up schoolyard bully and how ridiculous and pointless he
was.

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2004\12\08@185328 by Lawrence Lile

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> Heh, what'd you do to insight this?  :)
>

I think he didn't like my bumper stickers.

-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.

> {Original Message removed}

2004\12\08@231216 by Russell McMahon

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>> Heh, what'd you do to insight this?  :)

> I think he didn't like my bumper stickers.

Just think of the problems I'd have over there :-)


           RM


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2004\12\08@233053 by redtock8

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Ok, we want to know what they say,
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2004\12\08@233638 by Denny Esterline

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Hey, that's what you get for sporting a "My AVR can kick your PIC's butt"
bumper sticker. :o)

-Denny



> > Heh, what'd you do to insight this?  :)
> >
>
> I think he didn't like my bumper stickers.
>
> -- Lawrence Lile, P.E.


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2004\12\09@030943 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Hey, that's what you get for sporting a "My AVR can kick your
> PIC's butt" bumper sticker. :o)

I recall a Dutch cartoon about two guys in very sporty cars in a traffic
jam. "can your car go XXXX  too?" with big empathis on *can*. so:

"My AVR could kick your PIC's butt, too bad it's not available any more"

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\12\09@081608 by Lawrence Lile

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> Ok, we want to know what they say,
>

Sorry, Politics is taboo on the PIClist.  If I told you, I'd have to be kicked out. Some of you guys would WANT me kicked out.  

-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.


> {Original Message removed}

2004\12\09@101943 by Bradley Ferguson

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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:11:03 -0600, Lawrence Lile <spamBeGonellilespamBeGonespamprojsolco.com> wrote:
> > Ok, we want to know what they say,
> >
>
> Sorry, Politics is taboo on the PIClist.  If I told you, I'd have to be kicked out. Some of you guys would WANT me kicked out.

Perhaps you could get away with posting it ROT13'd?

Bradley
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2004\12\09@111307 by William Couture

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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:19:42 -0600, Bradley Ferguson <TakeThisOuTbradleyeeEraseMEspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:11:03 -0600, Lawrence Lile <RemoveMEllilespamTakeThisOuTprojsolco.com> wrote:
>>> Ok, we want to know what they say,
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, Politics is taboo on the PIClist.  If I told you, I'd have
to be kicked out. Some of
>>you guys would WANT me kicked out.
>
> Perhaps you could get away with posting it ROT13'd?

Too insecure.  Try double ROT13 if you want real security.

Bill

p.s.  Yes, it's a joke!
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2004\12\23@011832 by Dave VanHorn

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At 08:31 AM 12/8/2004, Lawrence Lile wrote:

> > I expect to be heavily flamed so... asbestos suit ON...
> >
>
>Yes, Phil, I would argue that I REALLY NEED such a truck to get to work in
>the morning.  Why, just the other day, I was consumed by road rage, and
>rammed my truck into a hapless passerby who happened to pull out in front
>of me and cut me off.  So much for HIS car!  I had nary a scratch. It is
>my god given right to have a vehicle that can plow anything off the road
>in front of it, be it rain, sleet, snow, or schoolbus.  And if it only
>gets 3 gallons to the mile, so what? That just shows how rich I am,
>proving I am important, and proving Americans are the most important
>people anywhere. So what if everybody thinks we SUV drivers are a**holes?
>When I am driving over the top of some 50MPG tin lizzie, how much mileage
>do they get then?  Huh?  Take THAT you tinny little beetley bugs!
>
><sarcasm off>


Looks like tomorrow, I'll be using my large dangerous SUV with cell phone,
ham radio, and strobes, to get through the 12-18" of snow, and once again
deliver medications to shut-ins, and patients to and from dialysis sessions.

It's not "tornado season" so I won't be sitting out in muggy weather for
hours at a time, hoping to give a few more minutes warning to the community.

< :) >

That studebaker though... YECCCCHHHHH..


BTW: I've solved my workspace organization problem. Just closed on two houses.
The one I'm living in, plus a small 2Br next door, which is to be my office.
Nice, separately metered and therefore tax deductible utilities!

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2004\12\23@030338 by Russell McMahon

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> Looks like tomorrow, I'll be using my large dangerous SUV with cell phone,
> ham radio, and strobes, to get through the 12-18" of snow, and once again
> deliver medications to shut-ins, and patients to and from dialysis
> sessions.

Is this your day job or after hours recreation? :-)

   RM

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2004\12\23@084450 by Dave VanHorn

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At 02:33 AM 12/23/2004, Russell McMahon wrote:

>>Looks like tomorrow, I'll be using my large dangerous SUV with cell
>>phone, ham radio, and strobes, to get through the 12-18" of snow, and
>>once again deliver medications to shut-ins, and patients to and from
>>dialysis sessions.
>
>Is this your day job or after hours recreation? :-)

Volunteer thing.

2004\12\23@095106 by Bob Ammerman

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I've seen an awful lot of messages go by on this thread...

I am not a fan of SUVs (couldn't imaging owning one), but I really don't get
why everybody thinks this one is particularly ugly.

Personally I kind of like it.

Well, it takes all kinds, including weird ones like me.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems


2004\12\23@162813 by James Newtons Massmind

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See? Living where it snows builds character...

...which is why I live in California...

...I'm already enough of a character.

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'[PIC:] Guess what I just found in the January 2005'
2004\12\29@172558 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Hi !
In the January 2005 issue of Circuit Cellar there is an article
named "Digitally Control Power Factor Correction" written by
some Olin Lathrop.

I havn't read it all yet, but it was the second largest article in
that issue measured in "PDF-bytes" :-) :-)

Regards,
Jan-Erik.

PS.
I'd guess that one wouldn't be allowed to put the ZIP file with
the PDF up on some web server, right ?



2004\12\29@173258 by Dal Wheeler

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Congratulations Olin!  Did you get your patent on it?

I haven't seen it yet (waiting for print version to show up).  

-----Original Message-----
From: Jan-Erik Soderholm

In the January 2005 issue of Circuit Cellar there is an article
named "Digitally Control Power Factor Correction" written by
some Olin Lathrop.

I havn't read it all yet, but it was the second largest article in
that issue measured in "PDF-bytes" :-) :-)

2004\12\29@181005 by Shawn Mulligan

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Just briefed the article and am looking forward to reading it tonight.

Congratulations Olin!

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2004\12\29@183520 by Lawrence Lile

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>Regards,
Jan-Erik.

>PS.
I'd guess that one wouldn't be allowed to put the ZIP file with
the PDF up on some web server, right ?

Steve Ciarcia might frown on this, maybe Olin too!  (A feather in your cap, Olin! Congrats!) I imagine that Mr. Lathrop would be at liberty to send you a copy privately, though.  

Of course, you could just SUBSCRIBE to Circuit Cellar, an excellent move with no downside that I can see!  I will have to log in and check that article out.

--Lawrence



2004\12\29@190524 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Lawrence Lile wrote :

> > Regards,
> > Jan-Erik.
>
> > PS.
> > I'd guess that one wouldn't be allowed to put the ZIP file with
> > the PDF up on some web server, right ?
>
> Steve Ciarcia might frown on this, maybe Olin too!  (A
> feather in your cap, Olin! Congrats!) I imagine that Mr.
> Lathrop would be at liberty to send you a copy privately, though.

Oh, *I* have a copy, since I'm a subscriber to the online
edition of Circuit Cellar. I was rather thinking of all who are not...
:-)

/Jan-Erik.



2004\12\29@190939 by olin_piclist

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Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
> In the January 2005 issue of Circuit Cellar there is an article
> named "Digitally Control Power Factor Correction" written by
> some Olin Lathrop.

I hope it came out good.  Apparently they aren't going to mail me a copy for
another month.  The last version I saw still had a bunch of errors which I
sent in corrections for.  They never got back to me with a "final" version.


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2004\12\29@191041 by olin_piclist

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Dal Wheeler wrote:
> Congratulations Olin!  Did you get your patent on it?

Thanks.  The patent is pending.  It can take 2-3 years before you actually
get (or not) the patent.


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2004\12\29@195920 by Philip Pemberton

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In message <C3BDACA3AD63A44F8D2BF6788D766B90E3B1EraseMEspam.....psc-s1.ProjSolCo.local>>          "Lawrence Lile" <EraseMELLilespamprojsolco.com> wrote:

> Of course, you could just SUBSCRIBE to Circuit Cellar, an excellent move
> with no downside that I can see!  I will have to log in and check that
> article out.

It's not exactly expensive to subscribe either - $20 per year IIRC. Well
worth the money.

I'll have to have a look at the article, too - sounds interesting. That and
it's written by a PICLISTer :)

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2004\12\29@211540 by Dave Tweed

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Jan-Erik Soderholm <RemoveMEjan-erik.soderholmspam_OUTspamKILLspamtelia.com> wrote:
> I'd guess that one wouldn't be allowed to put the ZIP file with
> the PDF up on some web server, right ?

Right. *You* can't do that, because Circuit Cellar Ink holds the copyright.

However, in practice, authors sometimes put their own articles up on their
own websites, and CCI generally looks the other way.

-- Dave Tweed
  Circuit Cellar editor
  (but speaking on my own, not in any official capacity)

2004\12\29@222639 by William Chops Westfield

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On Dec 29, 2004, at 6:15 PM, Dave Tweed wrote:

> Right. *You* can't do that, because Circuit Cellar Ink holds the
> copyright.
>
> However, in practice, authors sometimes put their own articles up on
> their
> own websites, and CCI generally looks the other way.

Does that mean the CCI won't publish anything that was a website first?

BillW

2004\12\30@065039 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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A copy of the ZIPed PDF has been sent directly to Olin...

Jan-Erik.

> I hope it came out good.  Apparently they aren't going to
> mail me a copy for another month.  The last version I
> saw still had a bunch of errors which I sent in corrections
> for.  They never got back to me with a "final" version.



2004\12\30@074913 by Dave Tweed

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William "Chops" Westfield <RemoveMEwestfwTakeThisOuTspamspammac.com> wrote:
> On Dec 29, 2004, at 6:15 PM, Dave Tweed wrote:
> > However, in practice, authors sometimes put their own articles up on
> > their own websites, and CCI generally looks the other way.
>
> Does that mean the CCI won't publish anything that was a website first?

Not at all. In fact, Olin's article falls into that category.

It's only the edited article, as it appears in the magazine, that CCI has
the copyright on. And, of course, any works derived from *that*.

-- Dave Tweed

2004\12\30@075850 by olin_piclist

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Dave Tweed wrote:
> Right. *You* can't do that, because Circuit Cellar Ink holds the
> copyright.
>
> However, in practice, authors sometimes put their own articles up on
> their own websites, and CCI generally looks the other way.

A PICLister has meanwhile sent me a copy of the PDF, although I haven't had
a chance to read it thru yet in detail.  Even though they might look the
other way, I still don't feel right about giving out their product for free.
However, I own the original information, which was used by CC to evaluate
whether they wanted to publish the article.  This has been publicly
available all along and nothing in my agreement prohibits me from continuing
to publish it on my web site.  You can see my version at
http://www.embedinc.com/pfc.


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2004\12\30@100953 by Lawrence Lile

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So, Olin, how difficult was it to negotiate the Byzantine Maze of the Patent Office?  Did you use a patent attorney?  Was the process expensive?  I have found patents to be a very expensive and difficult journey.  In some cases, the patent examiner will cite completely irrelevant material as prior art, in other cases the patent sails through like it was on greased skids, when we are worried that there might be some prior art.  

--Lawrence
Here's wishing you luck with the rest of the process.  Or even better, wishing you don't NEED any luck, that your "skill in the art" is plenty sufficient!

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2004\12\30@110519 by olin_piclist

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Lawrence Lile wrote:
> So, Olin, how difficult was it to negotiate the Byzantine Maze of the
> Patent Office?  Did you use a patent attorney?  Was the process
> expensive?  I have found patents to be a very expensive and difficult
> journey.  In some cases, the patent examiner will ci

Patents aren't that bad if you don't expect the attorney to handle anything
except the legal issues.  Take the time to understand a patent application
youself.  It's really not that hard.  The first few times you will need more
guidance from the attorney, then you should be able to do most things on
your own.

My process now is I write the whole specification myself, make the drawings,
then work out the claims and write them in plain english.  I don't even call
the attorney until I can plunk all that in his lap.  This saves a lot in
attorney fees, and makes the process a shorter because the specification
matches your invention right in the beginning, not after lots of go arounds
with the attorney.

The attorney looks over the specification from a legal point of view and
suggests a few changes.  His biggest work is turning your plain english
claims into legalese.  Be prepared for several rounds of edits on the
claims.  The attorney will invariably mess up what you are trying to claim,
and you have to go back and forth until his legalese says what you want it
to.

After that you file and wait, and wait, and wait...


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2004\12\31@103208 by olin_piclist

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Jose Da Silva wrote:
> It's still a feedback circuit of sorts.

No, and that's the point.  A PFC algorithm controls input current as a
function of input voltage.  Any feedback method would need to measure the
input current.  My method does not measure input current at all.  There is
no such input to the processor.  It only measures the input voltage and the
internal nominal 200V supply voltage, then computes open loop what it has to
do to get the desired input current.

The internal 200V supply voltage is regulated with feedback however.  It is
measured and parameters are adjusted based on the difference between the
actual and desired values.


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'[PIC] Masters Conference 2005'
2005\04\12@162057 by Tim_webb
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Hi,

I am thinking of going to the Masters 2005 Conference this summer..

Does anyone have any idea if it is really worth it?
Are these Conferences well organized and will I really get anything out of the courses?

I'm currently trying to justify the cost of going to my boss and I need to know if it is worth the cost of $899.00.

My boss is a little resistant to pay for what he believes is only going to be a sales presentation and I can understand his point of view.

I hope to gain more hands on knowledge with their products so that I can implement it into future projects and products.

It appears that if you just add up the cost of lodging and food alone the conference itself is not too bad, almost free anyway.  I could just as easily plan a vacation to the Grand Canyon and get a conference too if I had to pay for this conference out of pocket.

I have some working knowledge of PIC's and have used them in some product designs.  I would still consider myself far from being an expert on these products especially with the newest series of products with the last year or so.

Any input on what to expect or your experiences would be appreciated.

You may contact me offline if you prefer at EraseMEtim_webbspamspamspamBeGoneagilent.com

Thanks in advance for your advice,

Tim



2005\04\12@190418 by Dal Wheeler

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I wondered the same thing last year.  I went and was fairly impressed.  
We're sending 4 of us this year.  They do a pretty good job of
presenting technical information as well as some sales pitch --most of
which was in context so it wasent bad at all.  Some of the dspic classes
overlapped a bit, but they were just spinning up those classes then.  
Microchip is footing quite a bit of the bill.  The Westin resort is
pretty nice.   Pretty  cool  trip even if you were geek minded enough to
consider this a vacation.  Summers in AZ aren't really all that nice so
you can argue with the boss reasonably well that this is strictly
business --unlike the motorola conferences held in Orlando, FL --what
are they thinking?

If you are doing pic designs for a living and have the opportunity to
go; I'd give a strong vote yes.
-Dal

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2005\04\12@231447 by Mauricio Jancic

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Hi,
       To anyone who has gone to the masters before: Are there any costs
needed to make addtionally to the course fee? Besides the taxi from/to the
airport?

Regards,

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2005\04\13@082413 by olin_piclist

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Dal Wheeler wrote:
> Summers in AZ aren't really all that nice so
> you can argue with the boss reasonably well that this is strictly
> business

You can tell your boss whatever you like, but I'm looking forward to taking
a week off after Masters bumping around Arizona.  I did this the last two
years and had a great time.  This included a couple of hikes in the serious
desert west of Roosevelt Lake in the Four Peaks Wilderness.  One time I came
accross *very fresh* cougar tracks in the dust.  The Mogollon Rim area and
north into the Coconino National Forest are also quite scenic and I thought
nice places to visit in the summer.  I wasn't thrilled at all with Sedona,
and plan on staying away from that area.

As for Masters, it's not a sales pitch.  The courses range from really good
and taught by experts to pretty low level and taught by whoever was stading
around the water cooler when they needed a warm body.  Overall, it's well
run and can be well worth it for beginner and intermediate PIC users.  I was
a bit bored last year and too often thought to myself that "I could teach
this class and do a better job".  In fact I tried to teach some classes this
year but didn't figure out how the logistics really worked until too late.
I'll try again next year.

Even so, I'll still be going for three reasons this year.  First, in my
position it's useful to get some face time with various Microchip people.
Second, there are some courses that are useful no matter how much you
already know about PICs.  There is one on future products, and a few other
sessions like that that I found useful.  Some give you an inside look at
what's going on, and there are opportunities to give feedback that I think
Microchip actually listens to.  Third, I'm going to try to use Masters to
raise awareness of my PIC related products, like the ProProg
(http://www.embedinc.com/products), EasyProg, RSLink, and a few that aren't
out yet but hopefully will be by Masters.


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2005\04\13@140941 by Herbert Graf

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On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 14:20 -0600, KILLspamtim_webbspamBeGonespamagilent.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am thinking of going to the Masters 2005 Conference this summer..
>
> Does anyone have any idea if it is really worth it?

Well that depends on you. I was there last year and was pleasantly
surprised by how good it was.

> Are these Conferences well organized and will I really get anything out of the courses?

Probably the best organized I've ever been too. While you will get a few
classes and situations that aren't 100%, on the whole it's very well put
together and run

> My boss is a little resistant to pay for what he believes is only going to be a sales presentation and I can understand his point of view.

Well, he has no reason to trust my word, but I can tell you that very
few of the courses I attended had any sort of sales slant on them. There
was one that was pushing a 3rd party TCP/IP core a little more then I
liked, but aside from that almost all the content of each course was
very technical.

> I hope to gain more hands on knowledge with their products so that I can implement it into future projects and products.

Then I highly recommend masters, because if you're careful with the
courses you choose all you'll do is hands on stuff! :)

> It appears that if you just add up the cost of lodging and food alone the conference itself is not too bad, almost free anyway.  I could just as easily plan a vacation to the Grand Canyon and get a conference too if I had to pay for this conference out of pocket.

Did the grand canyon trip last year, well worth it, both for the
destination, and for what's more important to me, the journey. Ended up
hitting a few thunderstorms and some hail just north of Flagstaff, so
much hail that I had to switch to "winter driving mode" (the road was
covered in hail at one point, 15mph with the four ways on...), not good
when you're running summer tires...

> I have some working knowledge of PIC's and have used them in some product designs.  I would still consider myself far from being an expert on these products especially with the newest series of products with the last year or so.

That's one area I wasn't sure of. While I had a good amount of
experience with some of the lower end PICs, I was concerned that the
courses would be "over me" in required experience level.

I'm happy to report that didn't happen, in fact some courses were a
little TOO basic for me!

Masters IS a great way to get quick hands on exposure to the newer
stuff. Before masters I never even considered getting into the dsPIC
line, after masters my next project used a dsPIC!

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2005\04\13@141138 by Herbert Graf

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On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 17:08 -0600, Dal Wheeler wrote:
> consider this a vacation.  Summers in AZ aren't really all that nice so

I don't know about you, but after a cold winter and a cooler then normal
summer in Toronto I found the 115+ degree days in Phoenix a Godsend! :)
Only things I can recommend: wear shorts, and wear LIGHT colours, made
the mistake of wearing a black shirt the first day, NOT a good idea...

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2005\04\13@141248 by Herbert Graf

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On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 00:14 -0300, Mauricio Jancic wrote:
> Hi,
>        To anyone who has gone to the masters before: Are there any costs
> needed to make addtionally to the course fee? Besides the taxi from/to the
> airport?

If you are staying the "standard" amount of time (arrive Wednesday
morning, leaving Saturday morning) then no, everything you'll need is
included (room, meals and entertainment). They even had a shuttle to
Fry's electronics for those without rentals! :)

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2005\04\13@144103 by Tim_webb

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Anybody know how much the copies of the course hard copies provided by Kinko's are on average per class.  They mention that hard copies are provided at an extra fee.

We get a cd-rom, does it come with all the same material and/or do we get it before we arrive so we can print it out at work or home?

Do I bring my laptop and printer? hmm

Any experience with this part of the conference?

Best regards and thanks for all the input so far, I'm going even if my employer doesn't pay, I will pay my own way and call it a vacation with a few days of serious microchip fun if I have too!

I've always wanted to go to the Grand Canyon anyway, so it's perfect!

Tim



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2005\04\13@155145 by Dal Wheeler

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Hard copies aren't required for the classes.  Anything needed for the
classes were provided.  You get a CD while at the conference that has
all of the classes presentations/materials on it.  I didn't need to get
anything at kinkos while there.  I'd bring a USB memory or a few floppy
disks.  The CD's are done up a bit before the conference so some of the
class example code is a little older than the versions being presented
--they worked on them up until the last minute on some of them.

I brought my laptop to keep in touch --microchip had free wireless
internet in certain areas in the resort.  No need for the laptop in
class though.  They have plenty of machines and equipment in the hands
on classes.

We drove down, so we stopped in vegas, saw hoover dam, etc.. on the way
through.  It's a fun trip despite the heat.  Just make sure your vehicle
has *really* good AC.  The 115F temps are pretty amazing.   "Its a dry
heat...."  :)

-Dal


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2005\04\13@161620 by Tim_webb

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Planning on driving down from SF Bay Area, Vegas is on the list of planned stops as well as the Grand Canyon, will be my first time for both as well at the conference.  Should be a fun trip.

Tim
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2005\04\13@171338 by Mauricio Jancic

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Ohhh, I'm going from Argentina, so the budget is prety small.... But those
places sound nice to meet....

Regards,
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2005\04\13@181119 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 06:13 PM 4/13/2005 -0300, you wrote:
>Ohhh, I'm going from Argentina, so the budget is prety small.... But those
>places sound nice to meet....

It's pretty cheap to rent a car and go see the Grand Canyon if you're so
inclined. One of the tourist attractions that isn't over-hyped IMHO. Try
to get there at sunrise or sunset. I've been to north and south rims, and
they are both good.

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2005\04\13@184646 by Bob J

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On 4/13/05, Olin Lathrop <.....olin_piclistspam_OUTspamembedinc.com> wrote:

> You can tell your boss whatever you like, but I'm looking forward to taking
> a week off after Masters bumping around Arizona.  I did this the last two
> years and had a great time.  This included a couple of hikes in the serious
> desert west of Roosevelt Lake in the Four Peaks Wilderness.  One time I came
> accross *very fresh* cougar tracks in the dust.  The Mogollon Rim area and
> north into the Coconino National Forest are also quite scenic and I thought
> nice places to visit in the summer.  I wasn't thrilled at all with Sedona,
> and plan on staying away from that area.

I was just in the Phoenix area, and just a few miles south of Chandler
where Microchip is located is the Estrella Sailport.  They are the
largest soaring school in the country (in case you haven't hear the
term "soaring" before, it is the act of flying an airplane without an
engine (a glider.))  Even if you have no interest in aviation, its
worth a few bucks to go for a ride.  Pretty neat experience.

Regards,
Bob

2005\04\13@195714 by Bob Axtell

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2005\04\13@215619 by Russell McMahon

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>>Ohhh, I'm going from Argentina, so the budget is prety small.... But
>>those
>>places sound nice to meet....
>
> It's pretty cheap to rent a car and go see the Grand Canyon if
> you're so
> inclined. One of the tourist attractions that isn't over-hyped IMHO.
> Try
> to get there at sunrise or sunset. I've been to north and south
> rims, and
> they are both good.

Speaking as a "foreign" tourist who flitted through the area:

Grand Canyon is awesome - even after you've seen thousands of photos
of it in advance.
If you have enough people in the car then buying a National Park
season ticket may be worth while for Grand Canyon alone.

Sedona is well worth driving through going to or from Grand Canyon.
Exceedingly scenic. Hard to do justice to - craggy multi hued cliffs
and "mountain-ettes" (buttes?) and more. A different world.

Meteor Crater is well worth the visit if you like such things. I do
and found it superb. Entrance fee is a bit dear for a "hole in the
ground" though ($US18/person if I recall correctly) and you can't see
the crater proper without paying. Google on it and decide.

IHOP* in flagstaff was an eating experience in its own right. (Maybe
all IHOPs are that good, but that's the only one I've ever been to).
(* International House Of Pancakes - more food than you can eat at a
sitting - almost - and good!!!)

45C / 115 F heat is fun. Stand close to a running but stationary car
in normal circumstances, especially with sandaled or bare feet,  and
you feel warmth on your feet as they rise maybe 20 or 30 C above
ambient. Do this when ambient is 45C and you instead feel pain. An
experience worth having due to the novelty value. Once. 45C is above
body core temperature. You sweat or you die. You may not see any sweat
though - it tends to vanish as a vapour as it is generated. Drink
plenty of water.

Sleeping without air conditioning is a challenge. If you want the
ultimate challenge drive out to Gila Bend in the desert and camp in a
tent in the RV park immediately adjacent to the well used carwash. A
night you'll remember for life. If you survive it. I think I did.




       RM


2005\04\14@042626 by Alan B. Pearce

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>>Ohhh, I'm going from Argentina, so the budget is prety small.... But those
>>places sound nice to meet....
>
>It's pretty cheap to rent a car and go see the Grand Canyon if you're so

Grand Canyon is a "must see". I spent only part of a day there as I was
passing by, but really enjoyed the short time there. Photos of the place
just do not do justice to the size of the slot in the earth.

2005\04\14@073741 by Mauricio Jancic

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Oh, one more question. On the microchip site, they say "Credit card is
required upon check in" or something like that.

If I already pay everything, is it still required? You know, I don't use
credit cards so I need to know how to proced instead...

Regards,
Mauricio Jancic
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2005\04\14@090136 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 08:37 -0300, Mauricio Jancic wrote:
> Oh, one more question. On the microchip site, they say "Credit card is
> required upon check in" or something like that.
>
> If I already pay everything, is it still required?

Yup, and the reason is simple: you're on the hook for any costs you
incur in the room. Things like telephone charges, pay per view charges,
room service charges and whether anything is missing from the minibar.

> You know, I don't use
> credit cards so I need to know how to proced instead...

No idea, a credit card is a pretty common ting in North America and I'm
not sure it's worse the hassle of trying to do things like that without
one.

I suppose the hotel MIGHT accept a deposit, no idea though. TTYL


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2005\04\14@090344 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 08:37 AM 4/14/2005 -0300, you wrote:
>Oh, one more question. On the microchip site, they say "Credit card is
>required upon check in" or something like that.
>
>If I already pay everything, is it still required? You know, I don't use
>credit cards so I need to know how to proced instead...

They would like a credit card to cover all the party damage you will do
to the room (holes in the walls, burnt carpet, vomit etc.), all the items
which will go "missing", and all the 3-hour phone calls you will make back to
Argentina (at the 10:1 markup they charge for hotel rooms). ;-)

Still, I imagine you can work something out one way or another- suggest
you ask Microchip's coordinator about it. They might want a refundable
deposit or something like that, worst case. It's a lot harder to do
ordinary things without a CC- renting a car, for example, would become
much more difficult or impossible. 8-(

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2005\04\14@095832 by Russell McMahon

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> ... and all the 3-hour phone calls you will make back to
> Argentina (at the 10:1 markup they charge for hotel rooms). ;-)>

Speaking of which.
Many countries have a "phone home free"  system where you can dial a
toll free number when you are in a foreign country and then the number
you want in your own country. This gets you out of the foreign
charging system for free and the toll calls are then charged at a rate
set by your own administration. This can be MUCH cheaper than paying
hotel rates - it probably just costs a local call and can even be done
from a callbox / payphone.

In my country it used to be called "NZ direct". YMMV.



       Russell McMahon

2005\04\14@102525 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 01:58 AM 4/15/2005 +1200, you wrote:
>>... and all the 3-hour phone calls you will make back to
>>Argentina (at the 10:1 markup they charge for hotel rooms). ;-)>
>
>Speaking of which.
>Many countries have a "phone home free"  system where you can dial a toll
>free number when you are in a foreign country and then the number you want
>in your own country. This gets you out of the foreign charging system for
>free and the toll calls are then charged at a rate set by your own
>administration. This can be MUCH cheaper than paying hotel rates - it
>probably just costs a local call and can even be done from a callbox /
>payphone.
>
>In my country it used to be called "NZ direct". YMMV.

Yes, and some hotels now charge for calls to toll-free numbers (including
domestic ones, as to your own office). IMHO, that kind of money-grubbing
policy just p*sses off their customers.

Of course these days you can just use your cell phone and bypass the whole
ripoff system from the comfort of your hotel room (and stick in a local
GSM card if you like)- at least until they come up with some scheme to
shield the rooms or something.

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2005\04\14@210124 by Howard Winter

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Alan,

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:26:23 +0100, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

> Grand Canyon is a "must see". I spent only part of a day there as I was
> passing by, but really enjoyed the short time there. Photos of the place
> just do not do justice to the size of the slot in the earth.

Indeed - I did a half-day trip from Las Vegas a few years ago (so you see it from the air first).  It is
almost unbelieveable how vast the scale is - sometimes you have to be told that the far side is *x miles* away
and then try to work out the rest from there.  I had to phone a friend back in England from a phone box in a
restaurant, just so I could enthuse about it and share it somewhat.  A truly awesome experience!

Cheers,



Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\04\14@210801 by Howard Winter

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Russell,

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:58:09 +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:
>...<
> Many countries have a "phone home free"  system where you can dial a
> toll free number when you are in a foreign country and then the number
> you want in your own country.

I've never heard of this - and there are times when it would have been *very* useful!  I wonder if it's common
in New Zealand and Australia because most of their population is abroad most of the time...  :-)))

> This gets you out of the foreign
> charging system for free and the toll calls are then charged at a rate
> set by your own administration. This can be MUCH cheaper than paying
> hotel rates - it probably just costs a local call and can even be done
> from a callbox / payphone.

Be aware that most hotels have caught on to the various free phone numbers, and charge you for them anyway -
I've seen US$2.50 per call to any "free" phone numbers... better than "$1.50 plus 50c/minute plus AT&T long
distance rate" for normal pay-calls though!

> In my country it used to be called "NZ direct". YMMV.

I'd love to know if there is an equivalent for Blighty - it would really help sometimes!

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\04\14@210948 by Howard Winter

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:29:19 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
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> Of course these days you can just use your cell phone
and bypass the whole
> ripoff system from the comfort of your hotel room (and
stick in a local
> GSM card if you like)- at least until they come up
with some scheme to
> shield the rooms or something.

I believe they have started doing so - not shielding,
but using interfering transmissions.  Strictly illegal
in most places but I've heard that France, I think, has
decided to permit it.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\04\14@214615 by Jinx

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> I had to phone a friend back in England from a phone box in a
> restaurant, just so I could enthuse about it and share it somewhat.
>  A truly awesome experience!

Oh come on now Howard. They have phone boxes in England - I've
seen them

===========

>> Many countries have a "phone home free"  system where you can dial a
>> toll free number when you are in a foreign country and then the number
>> you want in your own country.

> I've never heard of this - and there are times when it would have been
> *very* useful!  I wonder if it's common in NZ and Australia because

AFAIK you can't call free, but weekend tolls to Aus, US and UK are
very very cheap through Telecom. "Talk as long as you want for $10"
for example. Mum calls her 4 sisters (and boy can they talk) and the
bill ceilings at NZ$10 (US$7) for maybe 5 hours of waffle. Reading on
the next bill what the cost would have been is sobering

2005\04\15@041301 by Howard Winter

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Jinx,

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:46:38 +1200, Jinx wrote:

> > I had to phone a friend back in England from a phone
box in a
> > restaurant, just so I could enthuse about it and
share it somewhat.
> >  A truly awesome experience!
>
> Oh come on now Howard. They have phone boxes in
England - I've
> seen them

Now now, you're deliberately misunderstanding for comic
effect!  :-)

Actually the traditional old red phone box is a dying
breed, sadly.  I only realised the extent of this
yesterday, when I was driving through a little village
in Sussex and saw a red phone box, and *noticed* it!  I
realised it's ages since I saw one - and at one time
they were on every street corner.  The mobile phone
revolution has wiped them out.  I understand a
condsiderable number are ending their days as garden
decorations or shower stalls in California...

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\04\15@053057 by Russell McMahon

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> Actually the traditional old red phone box is a dying
> breed, sadly.  I only realised the extent of this
> yesterday, when I was driving through a little village
> in Sussex and saw a red phone box, and *noticed* it!  I
> realised it's ages since I saw one - and at one time
> they were on every street corner.  The mobile phone
> revolution has wiped them out.  I understand a
> condsiderable number are ending their days as garden
> decorations or shower stalls in California...

This one is probably safe.
Magadalene* College, Oxford.
My daughter modelling the telephonic action..

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               107 kB file

C S Lewis probably was here (as for years he lived just across the
quad).


       R "Cholmondeley" M

* Pronounced, more or less, Mawdlin, for reasons only the British
know. And they aren't telling.



2005\04\15@054714 by Jinx

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> > Oh come on now Howard. They have phone boxes in
> England - I've seen them
>
> Now now, you're deliberately misunderstanding for comic
> effect!  :-)

Because I had some left over from yesterday. The kilt mini-thread
should have ended -

"All together now:  "No, it's all in perfect working order!"

Great big Scottish accordion "TA-DA !!!"

2005\04\15@054721 by Jinx

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> Actually the traditional old red phone box is a dying
> breed, sadly.  I only realised the extent of this

I remember them being sold off for a while. They've even
been imported to here as garden and collector's curios. They
lasted longer than the old "Dr Who" police boxes though

2005\04\15@060838 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Magadalene* College, Oxford.
>
>* Pronounced, more or less, Mawdlin, for reasons
>only the British know. And they aren't telling.

Yeah, but it is even more confusing than that - the street of the same
spelling that goes past is pronounced how it is spelt, and not the same as
the college.

and there are many other examples of confusing pronunciation - no wonder our
American friends decided to play merry havoc with the spelling so it matched
the pronunciation, they just got their own selection confused.

2005\04\15@061037 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Because I had some left over from yesterday. The kilt mini-thread
>should have ended -
>
>"All together now:  "No, it's all in perfect working order!"
>
>Great big Scottish accordion "TA-DA !!!"

carry on like that, you might get a caber tossed your way

Alan (also of Scottish descent, but you knew from discussion here a while
back)

2005\04\15@071037 by Jinx

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> carry on like that, you might get a caber tossed your way
>
> Alan (also of Scottish descent, but you knew from discussion
> here a while back)

I'm down and left - Isle Of Man. Colquhoun/Colquitt line



'[EE] Visual studio net 2005 beta'
2005\06\09@223403 by Denny Esterline
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Hesitant to mention this considering the recent anti-MS sentiments, but...

My latest copy of Dr. Dobbs Journal (btw, free subscriptions at
ddjsub.free.com) includes a MS advertisement offer for free shipping on the
latest Visual Studio Net beta. (one time use code on the advert though - no
use posting it)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/getthebetas/

-Denny

2005\06\10@023718 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> (btw, free subscriptions at ddjsub.free.com)

where?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\06\10@043629 by Denny Esterline

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Perhaps I owe an apology. My last issue includes a card that says "Get a one
year subscription to Dr. Dobb's Journal Free. Got To: ddjsub.free.com" and
in the bottom corner it says "Keycode 2GCS"

I didn't bother checking it, I just assumed it existed. Apparently it's just
a scum site that redirects you to popup land - sorry.

-Denny



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> --

2005\06\10@053020 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Perhaps I owe an apology.

none needed, of course

> My last issue includes a card that
> says "Get a one
> year subscription to Dr. Dobb's Journal Free. Got To:
> ddjsub.free.com" and
> in the bottom corner it says "Keycode 2GCS"
>
> I didn't bother checking it, I just assumed it existed.
> Apparently it's just
> a scum site that redirects you to popup land - sorry.

looks like a real site, but the offer might have expired. it was worth
the try :)

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\06\11@162742 by Philip Pemberton

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In message <000001c56d9e$bbe8be60$0b00a8c0@PAARD>
         "Wouter van Ooijen" <TakeThisOuTwouterspamspamvoti.nl> wrote:

> looks like a real site, but the offer might have expired. it was worth
> the try :)

<http://free.ddjsub.com/> ?

Later.
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2005\06\11@170643 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> <http://free.ddjsub.com/> ?

Free subscriptions are available in the US only.

:(

Wouter van Ooijen

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'[SX] SX/B - Version 1.31 (08 JULY 2005) -- In'
2005\07\14@161211 by Jon Williamsn/a
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'[PIC]: MASTERs 2005 reports?'
2005\07\27@091238 by Charles Craft

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Anyone that attended the MASTERs last week have notes to share?

Any update on the ENC28J60 ethernet controller?


thanks
chuckc



2005\07\27@092217 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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> Anyone that attended the MASTERs last week have notes to share?


All
non-NDA material are usualy posted on some
Microsoft site after a
while.

At least they did the last couple of years.

But then, it's of
course interesting what people
*thinks* about it, not just what they
showed... :-)

Jan-Erik.



2005\07\27@104856 by Mauricio Jancic

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Me, and some other colleagues, found the ENC... class very frustrating, some
might have not.
The fact is that at the beginning the presenter said that the silicon still
had some bugs they where trying to solve. That's fine.
We had a very good first half of the presentation, all the theory and
related stuff, but when we moved to the hands on (with another guy) we saw
that the things where working very sporadically. We had the web server
running on the PIC and when we hit F5 on explorer (refresh) it only really
work 1 time out of 10...
The presenter was really nervous and sweating, some people leave the class.

CONCLUSION

Personally, preciously knowing the fact that the chip had bugs and also that
I've never worked with PIC+Ethernet found the class very interesting. Even
if the chip is not working at the moment I will certainly try to use it on
some of my projects (when it does) I think they said it will be released on
November or so... That class really teached me what can be done with
Ethernet... Bottom line, I think the ENC... is a very promising chip. I have
a couple and I will run some test on them, so yes, I think you can count on
them for your projects.

Kind regards,

Mauricio Jancic
Janso Desarrollos - Microchip Consultants Program Member
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2005\07\27@123304 by Tim Webb

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We experienced the exact same problem, maybe we were in the same class on Friday, we left the class disappointed in demo of the new chip coming out later in the year, but we will maybe still consider trying to use it once they get all the bugs worked out.  Yes it's true, the demos had a major sync issue which was a major annoyance, we had to continue to reset the demo board and hit f5 on explorer to re-connect.  I don't know if I should regret leaving early or not, but it doesn't sound like I missed much.

I left the class early and took a nap, the schedule was so tight as it was, I missed dinner on the previous night after trying to get answers from the ask the experts table in the Micorchip store for over 3 hours, even the experts didn't know their own products.  Anybody want a free meal ticket?  Somebody was finally able to track down the teacher and find out that that the demo board I wanted was being offered for sale.  It appeared to be a very popular item especially, after hearing them tell nearly 50+ people, while I waited that the exact board was not available for purchase, persistence pays off I guess, I got the part I wanted anyway.  

>From what I heard the overall conference was better then last year, but some of the class descriptions were deceiving, especially one that said hands-on in the class description when we signed up for it and never actually had any and hands-on until the last 5 minutes before class was over and there were no tools to do the hands on experiment.  The teacher claimed that he was unaware of the class description stating any hands-on in the in the first place.  

I strongly recommend the Mechatronics Demonstration Kit demo board, its got a lot of useful features for a beginner, I think it is new, it was one of the most popular demo boards and it was readily available.

Next year if I go, I will have to do more research on the classes before I sign up for them, unfortunately, most of the classes I really wanted to take conflicted with others and we were forced to take classes that were of no interest to us.

Best of all, I sat down and ate breakfast with the CEO, Steve and I had a great conversation about how to improve the conference next near, he seemed very attentive and down to earth.  He really is a great CEO.

Tim

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2005\07\27@141638 by Mauricio Jancic

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No, my class was on Thursday... so they were all that bad...
I also really liked to see many familiar names from microchip walking around
the place and talking to everyone without any problems.

I filled out the survey and I only said that I didn't quite like the level.
For example, I took class "913 HTC:  Hi-Tech C Compiler for PICmicroR MCUs",
it was the first one ever.... I stay there for the first half hearing about
the Cromwell, the compiler, the parser... bla bla bla... things that are
already on the hitech manual. So I went to some other class, I don't
remember the name, where they introduced the dsPIC33 and the PIC24, VERY
interesting stuff...

Best regards,

Mauricio Jancic
Janso Desarrollos - Microchip Consultants Program Member
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(54) 11 - 4542 - 3519

2005\07\27@161935 by Tim Webb

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It did seem that most of the classes I took were too basic and never got in to any thing too new. Some classes were a waste of time, I thought many would be over my head and most didn't teach me anything I didn't already know.

Well for the first time to the Masters and not knowing what to expect, I will try to choose classes more wisely next time.

I must say that the wafer fab tour was most impressive and very clean, best wafer fab area I've ever toured.  Microchip's clean room makes some of the other clean room tours I've toured in the past a joke. Everything is up to date and currently all migrated on to 8" wafers, Microchip seems to be heading in the right direction. They mentioned possible 12" wafers in the future.  

I won't need to do that tour again, no more bunny suits, trying to fit the tour into my schedule messed up my desired schedule in the first place. Next conference should be more productive, too bad they are changing locations, they out grew the Westin Resort with over 900 people attending.  Attendance has been growing by about 100 people per year I was told.  They expect over 1000 people next year.

Tim

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2005\07\27@163533 by Mauricio Jancic

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It was my first time too, unfortunally I didn't win any of the prizes at the
casino night as you did :) (I was right behind you that night).

Anyway, I thought that the average level was higher. I actually select all
classes ranking 4 or 5 (out of 5) but was surprised to see that that ranking
was not as I expected...

Bye!

Mauricio Jancic
Janso Desarrollos - Microchip Consultants Program Member
EraseMEinfospam@spam@janso.com.ar
http://www.janso.com.ar
(54) 11 - 4542 - 3519

2005\07\27@171128 by Tim Webb

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You were right behind me?  Wish I knew.. we should have had PIC-list pins on our badges.  I know we have talked in the past, several months ago, but I wasn't sure who was really from the PIC-list or not.  There were too many people there.  

Actually I won one of the prizes, the IPod, which my wife stole from me, then my wife who also attended the conference, won the other item, which she gave to me, She was too shy to go up and get it.  I never expected to win anything, it was pure luck!  I actually wish they were giving away Microchip tools and dev boards, but the IPod and the other prize was cool.  The prizes were not cheap that's for sure.  We did good, it sure did seem that most people who won stuff were chosen more than once on most occasions. They changed the rules about winning twice shortly after they thought I won twice and then the person after me got away with it for real.

All the other evening events were great too, the beer boat races, the two robot wars, casino night and several others.. They kept us busy, I rarely went to bed before 2AM every night and then classes came really early the next day.  We had a great time!

The conference was well worth the trip regardless of any complaints.

We drove 3000 miles round trip and left a week and a half early.
It's too bad the conference is already over, but I am glad to be back home, sure don't miss the 115 deg. weather.

Tim  


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2005\07\27@172034 by James Newton, Host

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How much do you guys pay to go to this thing? And it's at Microchip
headquarters I assume?

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2005\07\27@173455 by Mauricio Jancic

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Nope, it's organized at a hotel, there you have all the accommodations, plus
meals, plus classrooms. The regular price is $1000 , and you can have a $100
discount if you buy it with months ahead.

Mauricio Jancic
Janso Desarrollos - Microchip Consultants Program Member
spamBeGoneinfoEraseMEspamjanso.com.ar
http://www.janso.com.ar
(54) 11 - 4542 - 3519

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2005\07\27@173543 by Mauricio Jancic

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Ohh, whish I knew... I know you where from the PIClist, but I just thought
that I saw your name around, didn't remember talking personally... now,
using my memory (meaning outlook's search tool) I found that you asked me
about the consultant program and a PM3, remember?

Well, too bad we didn't spoke much. I travel all the 14 hs flight from
Argentina to Phoenix, so next time I'll try to talk to as much people as I
can... I do met Olin Lathrop there and bought him one of his ProProgs, which
is working fine till now...

Well, if you need anything just contact me, I'll be glad to help.

Best regards,

Mauricio Jancic
Janso Desarrollos - Microchip Consultants Program Member
infospamBeGonespamjanso.com.ar
http://www.janso.com.ar
(54) 11 - 4542 - 3519

2005\07\27@183539 by Tim Webb

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You can also have a substantial discount if you share a room with another person attending with you.  It's well worth the price just to go to the resort alone, then add the free great buffets during the days of all the classes (3 meals a day, snacks all day during the classes, the after hour activities, open bar every night and it goes on and on.  Many other benefits..  Also register early and you are getting $100.00 per person discount too.  Well worth your money even if you don't even go to the classes.  Microchip pretty much takes over the entire hotel.  In fact, they are moving to a bigger hotel next year, they over booked this hotel and had to shuttle people to other hotels this year.

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2005\07\27@184525 by Tim Webb

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Isn't it so Ironic! I should have contacted you before the conference to meet, sorry we missed each other, I had actually thought about you while I was there and hoped to bump into you, but there were just too many faces and names to try and remember and so much to do.  Maybe we will meet next year!  

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2005\07\27@190946 by James Newton, Host

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> You can also have a substantial discount if you share a room
> with another person attending with you.  It's well worth the
> price just to go to the resort alone, then add the free great
> buffets during the days of all the classes (3 meals a day,
> snacks all day during the classes, the after hour activities,
> open bar every night and it goes on and on.  Many other
> benefits..

SO how about if I just hang out in the lobby, eat the free food, and sell
PICList t-shirts? Think I could make back the several hundred dollars it
would cost me? <grin>

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'[SX] SX/B - Version 1.40 (03 AUG 2005) -- Includes'
2005\08\03@124725 by TD-Linuxn/a
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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, TD-Linux wrote:

The scrolling problem happens to me too. I have a HP laptop with a scroller as part of the trackpad.

My mini laptop mouse's scroll wheel works fine. So it's not very specialized. I would like this to be fixed, as I use my laptop a lot without the mouse. Hopefully it's not a major problem. Maybe by giving focus to the file just selected would work, or giving focus to the file editor then back to the file selector, changing the order and maybe directing all focus that doesn't fit with the file selector there. I don't know, as I haven't done much Windows programming lately.

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'[PIC] Microchip Masters 2005 Conference class down'
2005\08\06@080000 by gstr

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Microchip has just put "Downloads" link to Masters 2005 web page:
techtrain.microchip.com/masters/general.aspx
but it needs user id and password for login

if anyone has these fresh lectures, could you please share?
Many thanks

2005\08\06@093712 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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> Microchip has just put "Downloads" link to Masters 2005 web page
>
but it needs user id and password for login

Hm, both the 2002, 2003
and 2004 material
was available directly...

Maybe they will release
the handouts after a while ?

Jan-Erik.



'[SX] SX/B - Version 1.41 (08 AUG 2005) -- Includes'
2005\08\18@145840 by sdtrentn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, sdtrent wrote:

Ok, I'm throwing in the towel on this one.  Where or how do I get the new SXB.chm file for version 1.41?  I have looked in the three zip files a the top of this topic (SXB.zip actually downloaded with no extension in Firefox) but I cannot find a new help file to explore the new features.

I apologize if I am missing the clearly obvious.

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2005\08\18@160006 by Jon Williamsn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Jon Williams wrote:

I'm sorry, Shane, it was my fault -- I uploaded the wrong ZIP file.  That situation has been rectified, and I apologize for the frustration my error caused.

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'[AVR] Atmel Product ENews - September 2005'
2005\09\06@225137 by Russell McMahon
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Atmel Product ENews September 2005Latest Atmel news. Good enough to copy on.
Ugly text conversion.

       RM
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Welcome to the September Atmel Product ENews! This month's articles highlight some of our most recently introduced products and the news surrounding them. We also offer a copy of the newsletter online each month. Click here: <http://www.atmel.com/newsletter/905.asp> if you would like to view it.
To search for new devices, documentation or updates made in the last 30 days, bookmark Atmel's What's Changed database at http://www.atmel.com/dyn/general/updates.asp.


*** Atmel's "Deterministic" ARM7 MCUs Combine Ethernet, CAN, USB, Encryption with Support for Real-time Applications

Atmel has launched the industry's first two ARM7-based, Flash MCUs with embedded 10/100 Ethernet MAC, CAN, full-speed (12 Mbps) USB 2.0 and a high-speed AES/3DES encryption engine. Designed for extensively networked, real-time embedded systems, the AT91SAM7X128 and AT91SAM7X256 also have a 10-bit ADC, two SPIs, SSC, TWI, three UARTs, an 8-level priority interrupt controller, and a full complement of supervisory functions. The two new 50 MIPS MCUs have 32- or 64 Kb of SRAM and 128- or 256 Kb of 25 ns Flash memory that supports deterministic processing as required for real-time control systems.
Atmel Receives Frost & Sullivan Award for Its Outstanding Performance in the Smart Card Market
Recently, Atmel was been presented with the Frost & Sullivan 2005 Award for "Global Market Penetration Leadership" in recognition of its outstanding achievement in the smart card market over 2004.
In particular, the award commends the U.S.-based Atmel for capturing the number two position in the Microcontroller IC market in terms of unit shipments and technology development with an enhanced product mix.
To finish reading about this award, please click here:

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*** USB Bridge Device Based on the AVR® Microcontroller, AT76C713, Presented 2005 Reader Award from Embedded Control Europe
Embedded Control Europe magazine recently announced the embedded product new stories which have generated the highest interest among their readers in the first half of 2005. The article regarding the AT76C713 received the Gold award in the Micros & DSP category. To review the entire article, please go to:

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World's Fastest Analog-to-Digital Converter Integrating 1:4 Demultiplexed Outputs Targets High-Speed Data Acquisition and Test Equipment
New 10-bit 2 Gsps ADC Offers 33% Sampling Speed Improvement Over Other ADC & DMUX Combinations

Atmel recently announced the second in a series of high-speed integrated ADC and DMUX devices, with a new 10-bit ADC offering a clock frequency of 2 Gsps, and an embedded 1:4 LVDS demultiplexer for direct interface with standard FPGAs.
The new AT84AS004TP is fully-compatible with Atmel's AT84AS003TP 10-bit 1.5 Gsps ADC and DMUX released earlier this year, providing identical form-factor, pinout and functions. It allows easy upgrade from existing designs operating at slower data rates or the possibility of creating a family of products from the same board design, for high-speed digitization applications such as broadband test & measurement equipment, high speed data acquisition, telecommunications and defense.
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Secure Storage Device Also Generates One-Time Passwords
Atmel and FingerGear®, the newly formed consumer products division of biometrics technology leader Bionopoly LLC, announced today the immediate availability of a new biometric USB Flash Drive featuring software-free operation and a large font LCD display for the ultimate user-friendly experience. The Bio USB Flash Drive, which features the Atmel FingerChip® Sensor, also includes the built-in capability of generating a One-Time Password from a fingerprint match.
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2005\11\09@203520 by Russell McMahon

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> online storage

If that's meant to mean that this is a way of making a file accessible
online subsequently, you are liable to find your piclist membership
instantly terminated, herds all driven off, fields sown with salt and
the enclave a smoking ruin when/if you return home :-) (not that I
have any say in such things of course).

If you mean something else it would be useful to say in the message as
having to unzip an attachment to read a C file is probably low on many
people's list agendas.

If you want real online storage you could send things to your own
GMail account  - which may have been what was intended here and
something gang aglae. If so, thanks for the code :-).

For an interesting (and variably amusing) poem related to the first
paragraph google for "we therefore deemed it meeter to carry off the
latter" :-)


       RM

2005\11\09@204208 by Richard Prosser

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Or you can run Gdrive. Stores data as Gmail emails but presents itself
as an additional drive on the PC.
Doesn't work too well behind the firewall at work though although the
files can be accessed as attachments to the email wrapper.
RP

On 10/11/05, Russell McMahon <.....apptech@spam@spamEraseMEparadise.net.nz> wrote:
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2005\11\09@221506 by William Couture

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On 11/9/05, William Couture <.....bcoutureRemoveMEspamgmail.com> wrote:
> online storage

Oops... Sorry about that folks.

I often email myself files to make sure I have a copy and
move them between work and home.

In my rush, I typed "piclist" instead of "picemu", and the
rest is embarrassing history.

Bill

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'[EE]: The hot 100 products of 2005'
2005\12\20@014803 by Mike Singer
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The hot 100 products of 2005 By EDN Staff -- EDN, 12/16/2005

From

http://www.edn.com/article/CA6290449.html?ref=nbra

PROCESSORS
...

Microchip
PIC16F506/12F510 devices
http://www.microchip.com

Philips Electronics
LPC210x microcontrollers
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com

Xilinx
MicroBlaze V4 processor core
http://www.xilinx.com

---------------

Mike

2005\12\20@023958 by Chen Xiao Fan

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> From: Mike Singer
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:48 PM
> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
> Subject: [EE]: The hot 100 products of 2005
>
>
> The hot 100 products of 2005 By EDN Staff
> -- EDN, 12/16/2005
> From
> www.edn.com/article/CA6290449.html?ref=nbra
>
> PROCESSORS
> ...
> Microchip
> PIC16F506/12F510 devices
> http://www.microchip.com

A bit strange, I do not see anything special about
these two MCUs. I will vote for PIC24 or dsPIC33.

> Philips Electronics
> LPC210x microcontrollers
> http://www.semiconductors.philips.com
> Xilinx
> MicroBlaze V4 processor core
> http://www.xilinx.com
>


'"GS" '
2006\01\05@220609 by kravnus wolf
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I have a place to upload the material. Please create a
folder to hold the material.

location:ftp.craftinglogic.org/incoming
username:.....anonymousSTOPspamspam@spam@craftinglogic.org
password:password

I will allow ppl. to access the site once you have
uploaded the
material thanks.
John.

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2006\01\06@003709 by William Chops Westfield

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>> So I've 2005's all the procedings excepts some becuase
>> Microchip didnt post correct links for some of them.
>>
>> If you give me an upload area i can upload the new
>> materials for you.
>>
That's nice of you, but Microchip owns those documents, and unless
they release them or explicitly allow you to distribute them, it
would be wrong :-(

BillW

2006\01\06@034021 by GS

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Yes, you're right but i think there are some people in the piclist forum
that theyve attended to the Masters 2005 conference and they have materials
CD. But i dont think they have signed NDA or something. Why do they share
the materials with us? These are all my personal efforts and just want to
share with this great community. Thats all...
If you dont want to read just dont take any of them use obsolote
materials...


'[SX] SX/B - Version 1.42.01 (17 OCT 2005)'
2006\03\02@142317 by cano3dn/a
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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, cano3d wrote:

Would someone help me, I can't get to work the SX for controlling a hobby servo , I tried the PWM command, but its giving me some error that says  "byte parameter expected"
the idea is to control a robot and to vary the times on each servo to make it move while the other servos stay in the same position...

thanks.

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'[PIC] Master 2005 Files now available for download'
2006\04\25@092606 by Xiaofan Chen
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techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/(kgmnvafutocq2355egt11231)/downloads/classlist.htm

Replace 2005 with 2004 and you will get the Master 2004 files.

Hope this is helpful to some people here.

2006\04\25@131839 by kravnus wolf

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Thanks Chen,

Very informative.

John

--- Xiaofan Chen <RemoveMExiaofancspamspamBeGonegmail.com> wrote:

>
http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/(kgmnvafutocq2355egt11231)/downloads/classlist.htm
>
> Replace 2005 with 2004 and you will get the Master
> 2004 files.
>
> Hope this is helpful to some people here.
>
> --

2006\04\25@134040 by Gökhan SEVER

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Although the files have been shared some months ago but its good to have
them from their original source,

Thank you for inform us...



2006/4/25, kravnus wolf <spamBeGonekravnusKILLspamspam@spam@yahoo.com>:
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2006\04\25@234754 by William Chops Westfield

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On Apr 25, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Xiaofan Chen wrote:

> http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/(kgmnvafutocq2355egt11231)/
> downloads/classlist.htm

Oh, very good!  I was worried that they weren't going to release
the 2005 material for some reason (it's been 2006 for a while now!)

BillW

2006\04\26@040521 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Oh, very good!

Yes it is.

>I was worried that they weren't going to release
>the 2005 material for some reason (it's been 2006
>for a while now!)

Agreed, but from looking through the listing I think the reason for delaying
the release is the number of items which lay out the proposed releases for
the year ahead. It is easier to keep the competition out of the masters
event, than to hold the information from being freely available to them.
Least that is about the only reason I can see, unless releasing the info is
part of trying to drum up business for the next Masters ...


'[OT]Patent 20050065990'
2007\07\10@080416 by Walter Banks
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http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20050065990.html

United States Patent 20050065990

Abstract: A computer is programmed to emulate a fixed-point operation that is normally performed on fixed-point operands, by use of a floating-point operation that is normally performed on floating-point operands


This morning I was doing an internet search and this gem popped up.

And it wasn't filed early April.

w..




'[PIC] Old links: Masters 2004/2005 class material '
2007\12\14@005627 by Xiaofan Chen
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This is the download for Masters 2005, which might be useful to some
new members here.
http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/(kgmnvafutocq2355egt11231)/downloads/classlist.htm

Masters 2004:
http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2004/(m4klpwnelumu3o3dth10rnqb)/downloads/classlist.htm

2007\12\14@030144 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Dec 13, 2007, at 9:56 PM, Xiaofan Chen wrote:

> This is the download for Masters 2005

Have the 2006 downloads been made available yet?

BillW

2007\12\14@044125 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 12/14/07, William Chops Westfield <spamBeGonewestfw@spam@spammac.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 13, 2007, at 9:56 PM, Xiaofan Chen wrote:
>
> > This is the download for Masters 2005
>
> Have the 2006 downloads been made available yet?

Not yet...

2007\12\14@122351 by 556RECON

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Xiaofan Chen wrote:

>This is the download for Masters 2005, which might be useful to some
>new members here.
>http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/(kgmnvafutocq2355egt11231)/downloads/classlist.htm
>
>Masters 2004:
>http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2004/(m4klpwnelumu3o3dth10rnqb)/downloads/classlist.htm
>  
>
When I try to access the listed links, I get the message that they
cannot be found.

Recon

2007\12\14@132507 by Dario Greggio

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556RECON wrote:
> Xiaofan Chen wrote:
>>This is the download for Masters 2005, which might be useful to some
>>new members here.
>>http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/(kgmnvafutocq2355egt11231)/downloads/classlist.htm
>>
>>Masters 2004:
>>http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2004/(m4klpwnelumu3o3dth10rnqb)/downloads/classlist.htm
>>
> When I try to access the listed links, I get the message that they
> cannot be found.

Hi, the link got splitted in the mail client.
Try
<http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/(kgmnvafutocq2355egt11231)/downloads/classlist.htm>

--
Ciao, Dario

2007\12\15@144457 by Gökhan SEVER

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I have the Europe Masters 2007 conference materials. I've check them that
they are same with original Masters materials of 2007 (I think it was held
in Phonix, AZ?)

I do not know how ethical would it be to share it on Piclist.

If anyone interested with them, I may provide the links.


On Dec 14, 2007 8:24 PM, Dario Greggio <RemoveMEadpm.toEraseMEspamKILLspaminwind.it> wrote:

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2007\12\15@174610 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Dec 15, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Gökhan SEVER wrote:

> I have the Europe Masters 2007 conference materials.
>    :
> I do not know how ethical would it be to share it on Piclist.

It wouldn't be, especially since Microchip seems to eventually
share them on their own (after a delay suitable to encourage
people to actually attend the conference.  That's fine, IMO.)

I just wish I knew whether microchip still has that policy,
and what the delay is supposed to be...

The 2004/2005 materials that are available are very useful.

BillW

2007\12\15@181814 by rin JG1VGX

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It appears that these links are accessible without the cryptographic URL.

techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/downloads/classlist.htm
http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2004/downloads/classlist.htm

> http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/(kgmnvafutocq2355egt11231)/downloads/classlist.htm<techtrain.microchip.com/masters2005/%28kgmnvafutocq2355egt11231%29/downloads/classlist.htm
> http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2004/(m4klpwnelumu3o3dth10rnqb)/downloads/classlist.htm<http://techtrain.microchip.com/masters2004/%28m4klpwnelumu3o3dth10rnqb%29/downloads/classlist.htm

rin

2007\12\15@183055 by Gökhan SEVER

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Good catch, but unfortunately they haven't shared 2006 or 2007materials,
yet.

On Dec 16, 2007 1:17 AM, rin JG1VGX <spamBeGonerinspam_OUTspamRemoveMEjg1vgx.net> wrote:

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'[PIC] Old links: Masters 2004/2005 class material '
2008\03\17@133101 by Gökhan SEVER
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Microchip US MASTERS 2007 files are available under a university web-page.

I could post the link if you make a request.

On 15/12/2007, Gökhan SEVER <.....gstr2005spamRemoveMEgmail.com> wrote:
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> > --

2008\03\17@135341 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Request done. :-)


Gökhan SEVER wrote:
> Microchip US MASTERS 2007 files are available under a university web-page.
>
> I could post the link if you make a request.
>

2008\03\17@141249 by Gökhan SEVER

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OK, Here you are :)

http://www.cwu.edu/~iet/programs/eet/courses/Microchip/Microchip.htm


By the way, nice request :)

Do you want me to post a sneak preview of 2008 materials :)

On 17/03/2008, Jan-Erik Soderholm <EraseMEjan-erik.soderholmRemoveMEspamSTOPspamtelia.com> wrote:
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> --

2008\03\17@151449 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Gökhan SEVER wrote:
> OK, Here you are :)
>
> http://www.cwu.edu/~iet/programs/eet/courses/Microchip/Microchip.htm

OK, works.
How trusty is that link ?
Is it expected to go away after sometime ?

>
>
> By the way, nice request :)
>
> Do you want me to post a sneak preview of 2008 materials :)

How "sneaky" is that preview ? :-)

Jan-Erik.



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>

2008\03\17@154309 by Dr Skip

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HTTrack....... ;)

Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
> OK, works.
> How trusty is that link ?
> Is it expected to go away after sometime ?

2008\03\17@155141 by Gökhan SEVER

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I dont know how trusty it is. You may use a program like teleport to
download the whole site.

Well about the preview :) I think Microchip put everything on their
web-site, dont they ?

I like these conf materials, been following them since 2003, except the 2006
materials.

On 17/03/2008, Jan-Erik Soderholm <spamBeGonejan-erik.soderholmspam@spam@telia.com> wrote:
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2008\03\17@160618 by Michael Cunningham

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I would love to get that link.. thanks


On 3/17/08, Gökhan SEVER <gstr2005spamspamgmail.com> wrote:
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>


'[AD]Elektor Magazine 2005 - 2007'
2008\05\11@072558 by cdb
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For sale in perfect condition (some fingermarks on the covers and
2006 double issue is missing the cover)

10 magazines per year - A$50.00 for each year + P&P to your area of
the world.
Will consider selling individual mags, but prefer to sell as a
complete year.

Airmail postage for 10 magazines is not going to be pretty, I suspect,
will weigh mags and report back.

Colin
--
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2008\05\11@082151 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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cdb wrote:

> For sale in perfect condition (some fingermarks on the covers and
> 2006 double issue is missing the cover)
>
> 10 magazines per year - A$50.00 for each year + P&P to your area of
> the world.

And what is *your* area of the world ????

Jan-Erik.


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2008\05\11@084144 by cdb

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:: And what is *your* area of the world ????
::
:: Jan-Erik.

Orstraalia, if one is posh, otherwise Australia - Hvis man er flott,
ellers Australsk!

I'm in England late June, so I could post any magazines from there,
assuming the (Royal) Mail is still in existence by then.

Hilsen

Colin

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'[EE] VS2005+WinCE6+XScale Board = EURO 126?'
2008\09\16@053023 by Xiaofan Chen
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www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/products/spark/default.mspx
http://www.keith-koep.com/spark/spark.html

This is much lower than what I expect! Not so sure if there are any catches.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2008\09\16@061020 by Mike snyder

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On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancspamBeGonespam.....gmail.com> wrote:
> www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/products/spark/default.mspx
> http://www.keith-koep.com/spark/spark.html
>
> This is much lower than what I expect! Not so sure if there are any catches.
>
> Regards,
> Xiaofan
> -


'[PIC] Visual C++ 2005/2008 as C18 IDE'
2008\10\01@184322 by Xiaofan Chen
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forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=371134

This may be of some interests to people who like to use
Visual Studio IDE as their PIC development IDE as well.
You can now compile and link MPLAB C18 firmware
and then program the chip using PICkit 2 all within
Visual Studio IDE. But no debugging support is
available.


Xiaofan

'[AD] Elekto Magazine - 2005 - 2007'
2008\10\31@040749 by cdb

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OK, before I whop these up on Ebay, you gentlepersons have one last
chance to purchase either the complete sets or individual magazines.

Each year has Jan - Dec (11 issues July/August is one issue).
All in good condition apart from July/August 2006 which is coverless.

A complete set weighs 2K2g or about 5lbs in old money, bear that in
mind when considering freight costs. Individual magazines are about
250g or 8oz.

I will sell them individually for AU$3.45 (GBP1.40, US$2.28 or
NZ$3.94) or as a complete set for AU$23.00 - work that out yourselves.

If anyone in NZ is interested, we might be able to do a deal on
freight as I'll be 'doing a Helen Clarke' to North Island as of the
18th November.

I will accept, GBP into my UK bank account, or any currency via PayPal
or direct deposit into my Australian account in Oz$ only.

Cost of a box or envelope will be at cost.

I can email pretty pictures of the magazines if someone needs the eye
candy before making up their minds.

Colin

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2008\10\31@044651 by cdb

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An offer has been made for the magazines in toto, the person is at
this moment pouring themselves a stiff drink and returning to a
vertical position after finding out the freight cost.

Just for a laugh - DHL want AU$253.00 for a 3 hour journey.

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2008\10\31@052451 by Chris Gavin-egan

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Oh ok, well i guess quick just wasnt quick enough LOL

Cheers again

Chris

cdb wrote:
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2008\10\31@053441 by cdb

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Um Chris,

Now you've confused me - you are that person!  30 magazines for
$NZ100.00

Colin
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2008\10\31@055615 by Chris Gavin-egan

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My apologies,  lol - didnt put 2&2 together (along with the late night
stupidity of not thinking of latin with 'in toto') and presuming it to
be a place in australia  !!!

I'd better get some sleep now and hopefully awaken with more sense tomorrow.

Thanks once again

Ha ha ha

Best regards

Chris
(ex pomgolia)

cdb wrote:
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2008\10\31@060207 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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cdb wrote:
> An offer has been made for the magazines in toto, the person is at
> this moment pouring themselves a stiff drink and returning to a
> vertical position after finding out the freight cost.
>
> Just for a laugh - DHL want AU$253.00 for a 3 hour journey.
>
> Colin

But why use DHL ?

New Zeeland Post has a number of pre-payed
flat-rate boxes in the range of NZD $30-90
depending on size and allowed weight. I guess
one of in the lower range will do.

See :
www.nzpost.co.nz/Cultures/en-NZ/GoShopping/PurchaseLandingPage.htm
Select (in my case) "Sending overseas" under "Boxes & Tubes".

Best Regards
Jan-Erik (Sweden).

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2008\10\31@062332 by cdb

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:: But why use DHL ?

Australia Post (where I am ) wanted AU$70, which i thought expensive,
and they don't have boat costs anymore on their website.

DHL was just the first carrier to pop into my head, though trying to
find the price chart on the Aus site is a feat in determination by
itself. FedEx aren't much better in that regard.
::
:: New Zeeland Post has a number of pre-payed
:: flat-rate boxes in the range of NZD $30-90
:: depending on size and allowed weight. I guess
:: one of in the lower range will do

This makes NZ post cheaper, but then I hate to point this out UK post
is cheaper than Aus post, wasn't always the case.

By the way, I've got assorted Circuit Cellars and Electronics World
(Wireless World that was), which I might be purging myself of soon.

Skal jeg sender blader til sverige? Ingen gratis selfogelig - hmm mit
stave er ikke saa bra!

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2008\10\31@064843 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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OK, sorry, you wasn't clear about where
you lived. You mentioned NZ in one of your post,
so I made a guess... :-) :-)

Anywan, maybe Australien Post has some of these
"flat-rate" boxes also ? Here is what I found :

Express Post International  $77.20  20kg
Air mail                    $72.20  20kg
Sea mail                    $37.85  20kg

I selected the 2.0-2.5 Kg weight range and
destination Sweden, so I guess this is some
kind of flat-rate box good for up to 20 Kg.

> ...which i thought expensive,

Well, it's up to the buyer, not ? :-)


Regards,
Jan-Erik.


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