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'12V programming doesn't stops PIC???'
1999\11\03@161458 by Edson Brusque

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Hello,

   I have a PIC16F84 running with its MCLR pin wired to VDD (+5V). If I
wire it to VPP (+12V), it doesn't stop. Is it normal???

   Best regards,

   Brusque

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1999\11\04@231157 by Rene Chauvet

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isn't it active low?
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Subject: 12V programming doesn't stops PIC???


> Hello,
>
>     I have a PIC16F84 running with its MCLR pin wired to VDD (+5V). If I
> wire it to VPP (+12V), it doesn't stop. Is it normal???
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     Brusque
>
>
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1999\11\05@082808 by Edson Brusque

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> From: Edson Brusque <EraseMEbrusquespam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTFLYNET.COM.BR>
> >     I have a PIC16F84 running with its MCLR pin wired to VDD (+5V). If I
> > wire it to VPP (+12V), it doesn't stop. Is it normal???
From: Rene Chauvet <rchauvetspamspam_OUTHOME.COM>
> isn't it active low?

   Hello,

   It seens that the PIC only stops when MCLR pin is connected to GND. I've
made various tests with P16F84 and P16F877, and it really doesn't stops when
MCLR voltage is made to 12V.

   I was thinking that when you connect MCLR to 12V, the PIC stops and
enters in programming mode, but it doesn't.

   Best regards,

   Brusque
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1999\11\05@160730 by Rene Chauvet

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I think the value to make it enter programming mode is 13.8 The only problem
with using this method is you'll change the program embeded in in pic and
screw it up.
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1999\11\08@061959 by Dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi,

I think yes. I vaguely recall the checking for VPP happens somehow at
power-up (that's why the minimal increase speed for VPP has been
specified).

Imre


On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Edson Brusque wrote:

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1999\11\08@063908 by Dag Bakken

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Yupp ... MCLR must be at programming level before the uC's core is
(fully) powered up.

-DS


Monday, November 08, 1999, 1:18:41 PM, you wrote:

DIB> Hi,

DIB> I think yes. I vaguely recall the checking for VPP happens somehow at
DIB> power-up (that's why the minimal increase speed for VPP has been
DIB> specified).

DIB> Imre


DIB> On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Edson Brusque wrote:

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1999\11\09@183018 by Florian Voelzke

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>  >> I have a PIC16F84 running with its MCLR pin wired to VDD (+5V). If I
>  >> wire it to VPP (+12V), it doesn't stop. Is it normal???
>  >>     Brusque

>  DIB> I think yes. I vaguely recall the checking for VPP happens somehow at
>  DIB> power-up (that's why the minimal increase speed for VPP has been
>  DIB> specified).
>
>  DIB> Imre

> Yupp ... MCLR must be at programming level before the uC's core is
>  (fully) powered up.
>
>  -DS

Well..... if you were talking about PIC12C50x or something similiar I would
agree with you, but the PIC16F84 is really another story!
To get a PIC16F8x into programming mode, two points are important:
1) Set RB6 and RB7 low
2) Raise /MCLR from 0V to +12V fast enough
It is from no importance when the PIC has been powered up. Whenever one of
the pins RB6 or RB7 is not low while raising /MCLR, the PIC will start
running mode as if there were only +5V at /MCLR.
I know this because I used this behaviour on my selfmade prototype programmer
.It has no automatic 5V - 12V switch for programming voltage, so when I'm
bored of switching the manual switch, I just let it in 12V position, but
raise RB6/RB7 to passive high just before I raise /MCLR - this worked for me
(but I don't think microchip recommends it...).
What Imre and DS stated is true for the 12C family, because this devices
share the /MCLR pin with other function (and it might be true for other PICs
than the PC16F8x).

      Florian

P.S.: I'm just starting to hate the AOL-programm, it crashed when I wrote the
first try of this eMail (and it did not crash the first time...).

1999\11\10@004844 by Peter Keller

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Florian
heisst das im umgekehrten Sinn, dass ich die Pins RB6 und RB7 auch f|r andere
Funktionen gebrauchen kann,
solange ich iwdhrend dem Betrieb mit /MCLR nicht |ber 5V gehe ?
Ich denke dabei dan die PIC15Fxxx Typen.
Peter

Florian Voelzke schrieb:

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1999\11\10@161946 by Florian Voelzke

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In einer eMail vom 10.11.99 schreibt Peter Keller:

> heisst das im umgekehrten Sinn, dass ich die Pins RB6 und RB7 auch f|r
andere
>  Funktionen gebrauchen kann,
>  solange ich iwdhrend dem Betrieb mit /MCLR nicht |ber 5V gehe ?
>  Ich denke dabei dan die PIC15Fxxx Typen.
>  Peter
>  
Andere Funktionen?
Die Pins RB6 und RB7 sind ganz normale IO-Pins, zugehörig zum Port B,
anzusprechen als Bits 6 und 7 über die zugehörigen Register des Ports B. Den
Pins können wahlweise verschiedene Sonderfunktionen zugeordnet werden, bei
vielen PICs beispielsweise Interrupt on Change (bei den PIC16F87x auch der
In-Circuit Debugger).
Lediglich im Programmiermodus haben die Pins RB6 und RB7 die Funktionen
"Serial programming clock" bzw. "Serial programming data".
Das ganze steht in jedem Datenblatt und sollte eigentlich auch aus jedem Buch
(über PICs) hervorgehen.
Übrigens ist die Sprache der PICLIST englisch (um Rücksicht auf die vielen
Teilnehmer jenseits des großen Teichs und anderswo zu nehmen....... ;-) ).

   Florian

1999\11\11@005215 by Peter Keller

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Florian
I see !
Thanks for the information.
Peter

Florian Voelzke schrieb:

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