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'(OT but fun)Trade Show Give-Aways.'
1997\10\20@184205 by M Walter

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The most usefull give-away I came across is a 6 inch stainless steel rule.
I find that I use it all the time. Lots of places give out calculators, but
the're
just 4-banger and no good to a Nerd. As for screwdrivers- they OK I guess.

I've gotten a 'Pic In Time" clock at one seminar. It is an alarm clock with
timer built from a PIC. Really comes in handy traveling. Destined to become
a valuable collector's ite :).

While we are on the toopic of freebes, you would think that some of the
more enlighted companies would give away more software. Cypress is selling
their WARP package for $100 or so: they should be giving it away. Anything
the company can do to sway an engineer toward their product has got to pay
off in the long run. Also, I get really disappointed that some semi vendors
won't give out SPICE models: usually when they tell me that I just figure
that if they can't help me now when I'm trying to design with their device,
what will they do to help me when I have a problem _after_ I'm locked in
with them. Also, they forget that engineers have very long memories: I
still won't use a particular vendor who stiffed me 15 years ago.

1997\10\20@184650 by David Schmidt

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Trade shows?!  They  show up here throughout the year and take me
out for lunch!
Dave

At 06:29 PM 10/20/96 -0400, you wrote:
>The most usefull give-away I came across is a 6 inch stainless steel rule.
>I find that I use it all the time. Lots of places give out calculators, but
>the're
>just 4-banger and no good to a Nerd. As for screwdrivers- they OK I guess.

1997\10\20@201804 by Steve Baldwin

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> While we are on the toopic of freebes, you would think that some of the
> more enlighted companies would give away more software. Cypress is
selling
> their WARP package for $100 or so: they should be giving it away.
Anything
> the company can do to sway an engineer toward their product has got to
pay
> off in the long run.

Having sat on the other side of the fence for a while, I can tell you that
it is a double-edged sword for the semi company. On the one hand, you get
engineers playing with your products and being the type of people engineers
are, will stick with tools they know.

On the other hand are the support issues, especially from people who
shouldn't be using it in the first place. It doesn't matter how many times
you have "This version doesn't include support" printed around the place,
they still phone or email. To add to that, you'll have people that think a
NAND gate is an AND gate with a speech defect, making lots of noise on the
net about how useless the tools are.

I'd love to see more free software available so that I at least have an
idea of the tools capabilities, but I can appreciate companies like Cypress
putting a nominal dicouragement fee on to it.

Steve.

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1997\10\21@190934 by M Walter

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At 01:22 PM 10/21/97 +1300, you wrote:
>> While we are on the toopic of freebes, you would think that some of the
>> more enlighted companies would give away more software. Cypress is
>selling
>> their WARP package for $100 or so: they should be giving it away.
>Anything
>> the company can do to sway an engineer toward their product has got to
>pay
>> off in the long run.
>
>Having sat on the other side of the fence for a while, I can tell you that
>it is a double-edged sword for the semi company. On the one hand, you get
>engineers playing with your products and being the type of people engineers
>are, will stick with tools they know.
>
>On the other hand are the support issues, especially from people who
>shouldn't be using it in the first place. but I can appreciate companies
like Cypress
>putting a nominal dicouragement fee on to it.
>
>Steve.

Steve, a very thoughtfull answer. I had not considered the issue of
support. Perhaps a solution is to make more software available thru the
distributors. Has that worked from your end (as a supplier of software)?
Mark Walter

1997\10\21@200207 by Steve Baldwin
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> >On the other hand are the support issues, especially from people who
> >shouldn't be using it in the first place. but I can appreciate companies
> like Cypress
> >putting a nominal dicouragement fee on to it.
>
> Steve, a very thoughtfull answer. I had not considered the issue of
> support. Perhaps a solution is to make more software available thru the
> distributors. Has that worked from your end (as a supplier of software)?

I would guess that the sensible thing to do these days is to start up a
mailing list like this one and let the users sort out each others problems.
Have someone from the factory (or wherever) sit quietly on the list and
note reaction, bugs, common problems, etc.
A good source of feedback, FAQ material and App notes.
I wonder how many Microchip secret agents are on here ?  :-)

Steve.

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TLA Microsystems Ltd         Microcontroller Specialists
PO Box 15-680                email: .....stevebKILLspamspam@spam@kcbbs.gen.nz
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1997\10\21@201622 by Andy Kunz

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>A good source of feedback, FAQ material and App notes.
>I wonder how many Microchip secret agents are on here ?  :-)

Last time I checked (5 minutes ago), there were 1442 subscribers to this
list.  Subtract from that the 50 or so active names, and you are left with
about 1400 "listeners."  Those are probably all secret agents.  Especially
if you're paranoid.

;-)

Andy

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'(OT but fun)Trade Show Give-Aways.'
1997\12\31@211908 by John Griessen
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Andy Kunz wrote:

> you are left with
> about 1400 "listeners."  Those are probably all secret agents.  Especially
> if you're paranoid.
>
> ;-)
>
> Andy

Shoot,

I'm not a secret agent, just have a lot of other stuff to do before I get
going with PICs,
so I listen in.  The off topic stuff is really good when we get a lot of
perspectives on the history of designing everything processor and
communications related like the thread on RS-232, the meaning of control
characters, and teletypes as mechanical/electronic calculators.

How would anyone know life is so rich with meaning without listening in on the
PIC list I wonder?  We love it!

John Griessen
Austin TX


'(OT but fun)Trade Show Give-Aways.'
1998\01\01@134004 by Andy Kunz
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At 08:15 PM 12/31/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Andy Kunz wrote:
>
>> you are left with
>> about 1400 "listeners."  Those are probably all secret agents.  Especially
>> if you're paranoid.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Andy
>
>Shoot,
>
>I'm not a secret agent, just have a lot of other stuff to do before I get
>going with PICs,

Wow, John, you sure picked an old thread to comment on!  That was written
AGES ago.

This was in response, I believe, to someone asking about who was on the
list.  It was a rather snide comment - I know that Microchip, Atmel, and
others have some (at least) of their FAE's and other techies monitor this
list.

>How would anyone know life is so rich with meaning without listening in on
the
>PIC list I wonder?  We love it!

I love it, too!

Andy

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