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2004\04\15@002624 by Jake Anderson

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USB to serial port adapters retail for around $50 or so i think
most computer stores seem to have them

its odd to have a prallell and no serial

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2004\04\15@013108 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> USB to serial port adapters retail for around $50 or so i think
> most computer stores seem to have them

You should be able to get them much cheaper. I sell the things for ~ $
21, but I add ~ $ 8 S/H per order (outside europe), for just an
USB-serial converter you should be able to find a cheaper local source.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\04\15@013317 by Shawn Wilton

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Not really.  Serial is used for the most part, NEVER.  Parallel is still
the major method for printer hook up though.  Seriously, if you didn't
program pics, what would you use your serial port for?

Jake Anderson wrote:
> USB to serial port adapters retail for around $50 or so i think
> most computer stores seem to have them
>
> its odd to have a prallell and no serial
>
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2004\04\15@024952 by hael Rigby-Jones

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>Not really.  Serial is used for the most part, NEVER.
>Parallel is still the major method for printer hook up though.
> Seriously, if you didn't program pics, what would you use
>your serial port for?

Of the top of my head: Cell phone contact managers, PDA connectivity, GPS,
terminal emulation, remote debugging, external modem

Regards

Mike




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2004\04\15@025405 by Shawn Wilton

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Most of that uses USB anymore.  PDA, phone, etc.  Few people have GPS's
and the same goes for modems and especially remote debugging.  Hence the
vanishing serial port.

But you all get the point.



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2004\04\15@031523 by William Chops Westfield

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On Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004, at 23:48 US/Pacific, Michael Rigby-Jones
wrote:

>> Seriously, if you didn't program pics, what would you use
>> your serial port for?
>
> Of the top of my head: Cell phone contact managers, PDA connectivity,
> GPS, terminal emulation, remote debugging, external modem
>
>
IRDA and built-in modems have replaced MOST of the things laptops used
to do with serial ports.  But it's still a bit weird for a laptop to
have only a parallel port.  For instance, serial to parallel and usb to
parallel adaptors are both more common (so far) than converters to
serial...

BillW

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2004\04\15@033639 by Russell McMahon

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> >>Not really.  Serial is used for the most part, NEVER.
> >>Parallel is still the major method for printer hook up though.
> >>Seriously, if you didn't program pics, what would you use
> >>your serial port for?

> > Of the top of my head: Cell phone contact managers, PDA connectivity,
GPS,
> > terminal emulation, remote debugging, external modem

> Most of that uses USB anymore.  PDA, phone, etc.  Few people have GPS's
> and the same goes for modems and especially remote debugging.  Hence the
> vanishing serial port.
> But you all get the point.

And who are you a salesman / marketingman for ? :-)

Serial ports vanish because sellers would rather not have to make machines
with them on. If new machines came with at least one serial port nobody is
going to complain, and it allows you to use still quite new equipment. The
ready availability of USB to serial converters suggests that their lack is
due more to marketing and cost saving than to lack of need.

       RM

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2004\04\15@035129 by Hulatt, Jon

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>                                            . The ready
> availability of USB to serial converters suggests that their
> lack is due more to marketing and cost saving than to lack of need.

But you're not the typical user, and nor am I. If 1 in 50 customers have a
need for a serial port, then it's better to use a USB adaptor. Yes, it's
cost saving for the manufacturer, but the 49 customers who don't want a
serial port will get a cheaper product.


On a second note though, the serial port is just the first thing to go. PC
manufacturers have plans to rid pc's of pretty much all legacy hardware io
in the next few years. In particular, this includes PS/2 - you'll soon need
to have a USB keyboard and mouse.


Jon

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2004\04\15@054355 by Russell McMahon

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> On a second note though, the serial port is just the first thing to go. PC
> manufacturers have plans to rid pc's of pretty much all legacy hardware io
> in the next few years. In particular, this includes PS/2 - you'll soon
need
> to have a USB keyboard and mouse.


Just added a USB keyboard to a system a week ago.
Took it off again within a day.
Reason: I'm currently multi-booting with either WIN98 and WIN XP and WIN98
is the 2nd choice. To make a choice other than the default the user has to
use the keyboard. The USB keyboard doesn't come alive until AFTER the O/S
has booted. Obvious but stupid. Also, how would you eg alter system settings
or select startup option? If they remove the PS/2  port then they MUST
enable the USB at some level in firmware at boot time OR radically alter
boot philosophy.


       Russell McMahon

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2004\04\15@054941 by Denny Esterline

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Check in your bios settings, usually there's an option to enable USB
keyboard support just for this particular problem.

Right off hand I forget what they name it, but I think it's something like
"USB Keyboard enable" or "USB -> BIOS/OS". Just poke around it should be in
there.

-Denny


> > On a second note though, the serial port is just the first thing to go.
PC
> > manufacturers have plans to rid pc's of pretty much all legacy hardware
io
> > in the next few years. In particular, this includes PS/2 - you'll soon
> need
> > to have a USB keyboard and mouse.
>
>
> Just added a USB keyboard to a system a week ago.
> Took it off again within a day.
> Reason: I'm currently multi-booting with either WIN98 and WIN XP and
WIN98
> is the 2nd choice. To make a choice other than the default the user has
to
> use the keyboard. The USB keyboard doesn't come alive until AFTER the O/S
> has booted. Obvious but stupid. Also, how would you eg alter system
settings
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2004\04\15@062435 by Robert L Cochran

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Use a bootloader such as the Grub bootloader. I've been using Grub to
dual boot between Windows and Linux for a long time now. Keyboard works
fine long before the OS boots.

Mine is a PS/2 keyboard, not USB, so maybe I'm putting my foot in m
mouth here.

Bob Cochran


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2004\04\15@101931 by Shawn Wilton

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Nah, not a salesman.  In fact, they're removing them so they can shrink
the sizes of the machines coming out.  Costs is only a single factor.
Size however is a major factor.


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2004\04\15@102138 by Shawn Wilton

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Legacy USB support in ASUS


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2004\04\15@102139 by Bob Ammerman

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Newer PCs can provide BIOS support to make a USB keyboard look like a PC2 at
the BIOS/SETUP/DOS/WIN9X level.

Bob Ammerman
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