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2005\11\18@104131 by R. I. Nelson

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I want a program to draw  circuits and block diagrams for pic circuits
and programs.
I would like to keep the cost down.

Any suggestions?

I have decide to try to program in assembly.  I read somewhere there
were only 38 instructions to learn?

Can any one suggest a book  to learn form?   I need a very very basic book.

I had a stroke and other heart problems a few years ago.  I remember
some things but other parts of my memory has been wiped out  completely.

I want say "THANK YOU" to the list member who have asked my previous
questions.  You have been very helpful.


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2005\11\18@111655 by Bob J

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For a great beginner's PIC tutorial, I highly suggest downloading John
McDonough's pic tutorial: http://www.amqrp.org/elmer160/lessons/.

I would also suggest purchasing an ICD2 and a pic programmer, such as the
EasyProg.

For a schematic and board program I also highly recommend Eagle:
http://www.cadsoftusa.com <http://www.cadsoftusa.com>. A great beginner's book for
learning how to use Eagle and doing board design with it: "Build Your Own
Printed Circuit Board" by Al Williams.

Have fun!

Regards,
Bob

On 11/18/05, R. I. Nelson <.....rindesignsKILLspamspam@spam@charter.net> wrote:
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2005\11\18@112039 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I want a program to draw  circuits and block diagrams
>for pic circuits and programs.
>I would like to keep the cost down.
>
>Any suggestions?

A number of people here use a program called Eagle, which allows you to draw
the circuit, and then from that proceed to layout a printed circuit board.

Look at http://www.cadsoft.de/ to download a copy.

There are a number of other software packages that will do similar things.
You may like to look at the Printed Circuit manufacturer Olimex website at
http://www.olimex.com/pcb/index.html and look under "design tools" in the
"proto boards" section for links to others that may suit. Also if you are
subscribed to the [EE] thread of this list, there was a recent message
thread "Download Problem" which listed a site at
http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/index.html which is reputed to
have an open source package similar in capability to Eagle, but it is a
large download, so unless you have broadband you may want to give this one a
miss.


>I have decide to try to program in assembly.  I read
>somewhere there were only 38 instructions to learn?

There are around 38 basic instructions, depending on just which PIC family
you use, but a number of these instructions have operands that increase the
effective number of instructions. The actual instruction set for each PIC is
included in the datasheet for the device.


>Can any one suggest a book  to learn form?
>I need a very very basic book.

You may like to look at Wouters pages at http://www.voti.nl/swp where he has
some information on starting with PICs.

I haven't looked at the books available, but one that has been recommended
in the past is "Easy PIC'n" and there is another by the same author IIRC
called "Serial PIC'n" which covers serial communication. I believe both of
these are based on a chip that is regarded as obsolete now, but the basic
instruction set is still good, and any examples should run on later chips
with some small modifications.


>I had a stroke and other heart problems a few years ago.
>I remember some things but other parts of my memory has
>been wiped out completely.
>
>I want say "THANK YOU" to the list member who have asked
>my previous questions.  You have been very helpful.

Well I hope that this works as a therapy for you. Best of luck.

2005\11\18@114242 by Chris Emerson

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On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:16:55AM -0500, Bob J wrote:
> I would also suggest purchasing an ICD2 and a pic programmer, such as the
> EasyProg.

Why would you need another PIC programmer if you've got an ICD2?

Regards,

Chris

2005\11\18@114730 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> I want a program to draw  circuits and block diagrams for pic
> circuits and programs. I would like to keep the cost down.
> Any suggestions?

http://www.cadsoftusa.com

> I have decide to try to program in assembly.  I read somewhere there
> were only 38 instructions to learn?

True, but learning what your tools are is just a very small part of
learning how to use them. I definitely know what a bow and arrow are, I
even kwno which way to hold the arrow, but I won't win a medal at a
shooting contest.

> Can any one suggest a book  to learn form?   I need a very
> very basic book.

learn programming first, try microcontrollers later.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\11\18@124632 by Mike Hord

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> I want a program to draw  circuits and block diagrams for pic circuits
> and programs.
> I would like to keep the cost down.
>
> Any suggestions?

I'm going to break the lockstep suggestion of Eagle for this and point
to Proteus Lite.  Check out the website
http://www.proteuslite.com/

I've found it FAR easier to use than Eagle, and a set of plugins are
available which will allow you to simulate your PIC based circuits
quite easily- at least, the 16F84A based ones.  If you go with a
professional version, you can simulate a lot of 16F and 18F PICs.

> I have decide to try to program in assembly.  I read somewhere there
> were only 38 instructions to learn?
>
> Can any one suggest a book  to learn form?   I need a very very basic book.

I like Peatman's books.  He has an older one that covers 16C chips,
and most of that is still quite applicable to the 16F chips, or the new
one that covers the 18F452.  It's a pretty decent way to get started,
and I believe it comes with a PCB for a demo board, and the part
numbers from Digikey that you need to order to build it.

Mike H.

2005\11\18@134051 by Dave Mumert

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Hi Mike

You should check out WinQCAD for a circuit design package.

Check the features at http://www.winqcad.com/features.html

It is free for 100 pins or less and quite inexpensive for larger pin counts.
I have yet to encounter a board it could not autoroute.  The schematic
capture is connected to the PCB editor so changes made to the schematic can
be easily integrated back into the PCB.

Dave

2005\11\20@151648 by Steph Smith

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A book i would recomend to anyone starting with PIC's is 'PIC in practice by
D.W. Smith (NEWNES)
if you wait 'till next year a new (updated) edition should be out which
covers newer pic's and
documenting and making projects with MPLAB.This is one of the best PIC books
i've read at any price.
there are usually 35 instructions minimum;but like any language you don't
HAVE to use ALL the words!
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