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2016\09\27@202812 by Gordon Williams

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Currently I'm working on a small project using an Arduino Nano. I love the small form factor and the price of 3-4 dollars is great.

I can't say that I like C or the Arduino language.  Is there something similar in size and cost with a PIC on it?  I haven't been able to find anything.

Gordon Williams


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2016\09\27@204903 by James Cameron

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G'day Gordon,

I've not seen anything that cheap, but I've seen the USB Bit Whacker
(18F2553 or 32MX795), and used the Teensy 3.2 (ARM).

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2016\09\27@213437 by Neil

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So what language are you planning to use?  Assembly?  Perhaps try assembly on the Atmel chip?

There is also something called Ardublock for the Arduino that's a visual programming tool somewhat like App Inventor for Android ... cringe!

Alternatively, this may be more expensive, but there's Python available on the PIC here...
http://www.circuitsforfun.com/pymcu.html

Cheers
-Neil.


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2016\09\27@215702 by James Cameron

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Agreed, tools for assembly on the Atmel chip are available and mature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au2eSyEVKsA (using the Arduino IDE and
inline assembly, shows half the flash space for a blinky)

Also worth paying attention to the linker map file, to find out what
is brought in.

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2016\09\27@222133 by Gordon Williams

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I've used JAL  (http://www.casadeyork.com/jalv2/ ) for a number of large PIC projects in the past where I have made up my own PCB.

JAL is something that I can get my head around and understand. It creates assembler code that is quite efficient without a lot of overhead, you can look at the asm code if you want or run it through a MPLAB sim to check timing or debugging, plus a number of other reasons.  It is simple and maps well to the data sheets.

C/C++ has too many ways to shoot yourself in the foot and get unintended consequences for my liking.  A lot of it just looks like gibberish too.  Not to start a flame war.

The USB Bit Whacker and the pyMCU are the kinds of things that I'm looking for, but too bad that they are $25!  I guess it is a volume thing and I'm not going to see anything in the Nano price range.

thanks,

Gordon


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2016\09\28@011652 by Chris Roper

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The MPLab Xpress Development Board
http://www.microchip.com/mplab/mplab-xpress and GCBasic
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gcbasic/ make a good alternative.
The MikroBUS Expansion footprint has hundreds of board available too.

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Chris


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2016\09\28@060053 by William Westfield

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On Sep 27, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Gordon Williams <.....gwilliamsKILLspamspam@spam@ncf.ca> wrote:

> JAL is something that I can get my head around and understand.

There is “Jaluino” that was designed a few years ago.  It didn’t really catch on, and I don’t know if you can still order PCBs/etc, but it was a pretty simple board that might be easy to put together yourself. (Go ahead and google it.  It’s LOVELY in its searchability!)

The USB Bitwhacker is another possibility.  I’ve always found it “interesting” that this board was developed about the same time as the original Arduino, and solved some of the same problems (plug-and-play via USB “upload”), but didn’t get nearly the interest.  The lack of good free compilers (for standard languages) really hurt PIC there, I think.

If you’re into PIC32, there are the “Chipkit” board from Digilentinc.com (http://chipkit.net/products/ )
They have an arduino-style IDE, but they also emphasize C programming.

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2016\09\28@083159 by Gordon Williams

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ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/30010119A.pdf

The MPLAB Xpress Evaluation Board (DM164140) looks interesting at $10 with free shipping (don't know where) with a PIC16F18855 on it.  They could have made it a lot more compact though, shame. Seems like it is one sided and the reverse side is not shown.  The programmer takes up one end of the board.

Something to keep in mind.

Thanks,

Gordon Williams



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2016\09\28@113747 by Dave Lagzdin

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Dwayne points these out to us when they go on sale:
P-Star 25K50 Micro
https://www.pololu.com/product/3150

Dave


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2016\09\28@200119 by James Cameron

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On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:37:41AM -0400, Dave Lagzdin wrote:
> Dwayne points these out to us when they go on sale:
> P-Star 25K50 Micro
> https://www.pololu.com/product/3150

Hmm, tempting.

Also, Pololu have an open source operating system independent
programmer on GitHub:

       https://github.com/pololu/p-load

Also, as GPASM supports the 18F25K50, GPUTILS is an open source
operating system independent assembler and linker:

       http://gputils.sourceforge.net/gputils.pdf

Also, if C is required for some reason (polite grin), there's SDCC,
which has 18F25K50 in pic16devices.txt, and is also development
platform agnostic.

       http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/

(CForth has pretty much moved on from 16-bit processors, and while the
kernel is 17 KB on ARM, adding the dictionary takes it up to 49 KB,
and the 18F25K50 has only 32 KB of Flash.  It would be a tight
squeeze.  A WeMos D1 mini with the ESP8266 is way cheaper than the
P-Star.)

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2016\09\28@232521 by Gordon Williams

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Well that is what I'm looking for, but too bad about the shipping fees!  $8.50 for the part and $15 to ship it to Canada!  If you live in the US it is $4, which is reasonable.

Gordon


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2016\09\28@234611 by James Cameron

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Use the list of Pololu distributors in Canada?

       https://www.pololu.com/distributors#canada

Quick search of each has led me to just one (!) of them listing the
Pololu product at CAD $12.50

http://www.robotshop.com/ca/en/p-star-25k50-micro-programmable-module.html

With a 25 and more price of CAD $9.60

Their shipping tab says free for orders of CAD $75 or more.  I didn't
dig deeper, you might.

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2016\09\29@000408 by Jim Ruxton

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You can get these at RobotShop. Shipped from Canada. $12.50 CDN approx. $6.00 shipping by expedited Canada Post shipping. http://www.robotshop.com/ca/en/pic-microcontrollers.html . Only 2 in stock right now.

Jim

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2016\09\29@105510 by Dave Lagzdin

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Bit of a kick in the chops when all this aliexpr stuff ships free.
A US mailbox is your friend.
OR we talk Dwayne into group buys or reselling....
:)

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