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2004\03\02@053103 by spacecat

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I was wondering if anyone can help.
I've been using the 18f for some time and several projects if done have been
stretched with the number of I/O lines.I noticed that the 18f6680 in a plcc
package looks ideal for low volumes/hobby use as it allows me to socket it
use pins and not smt.

Are there any known issues with them?

where in the uk can I buy them?. I've tried rs/farnell.


As a general question Where do people buy electronics bits from in the uk?
I tend to get stuck in a rut with rs/farnell, I know I can get parts from
digikey in the uk but delivery can be slow and the delivery costs are
relatively high(#12) esp. if I only want one part from them.

I would also be interested where to buy  ftdi parts from.


Cheers

Richard Benfield

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2004\03\02@055141 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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spacecat wrote :

> I noticed that the  18f6680 in a plcc package looks ideal for low
> volumes/hobby use as it allows me  to socket it use pins and not smt.
>
> Are there any known issues with them?

Issues know and acknowledged by Microchip, usualy are
in the errata sheets available from the device specific "home page".
Have you checked ?

> where in the uk can I buy them?. I've tried rs/farnell.

Have you checked the prices on buy.microchip.com ?

> As a general question Where do people buy electronics bits
> from in the uk?  I tend to get stuck in a rut with rs/farnell,

I uses Farnell from Sweden. Over-night courier shipments from
a UK based store at a fairly low flat shipping cost. Nice service.

But since I don't know what "stuck in a rut" means, I can't
comment more on that...

Best Regards
Jan-Erik.

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2004\03\02@055805 by Alan B. Pearce

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>where in the uk can I buy them?. I've tried rs/farnell.

Try Crownhill who seem to be the cheapest in the UK on the web
http://www.crownhill.co.uk/ or try

Becky Harding
Microchip & Intersil Sales Co-ordinator
Tel: 01296 332376
Fax: 01844 210929
Unique Memec - Lead By Design

Do not have a web site for them.
(thanks Dominic, I have the Picstart Plus upgrade on order).

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2004\03\02@060109 by Alan B. Pearce

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>But since I don't know what "stuck in a rut" means,
>I can't comment more on that...

Heh, very English expression. Think in terms of a cart in a rut on a farm
track (or a car for that matter) and how hard it is to get the wheel out of
the rut. A rut is a groove or channel cut by wheels over time, or by water
running down it.

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2004\03\02@060925 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Alan B. Pearce wrote :

> >But since I don't know what "stuck in a rut" means,
> >I can't comment more on that...
>
> Heh, very English expression. Think in terms of a cart in a
> rut on a farm track (or a car for that matter) and how hard it is to get
> the wheel out of the rut. A rut is a groove or channel cut by wheels over
> time, or by water running down it.

Aha !

So he must have been talking about the Farnell web site then !
That description suits perfectly on that one... :-)

(Disclamer, I havn't checked if they have improved during the
last couple of months...)

:-) :-)

Jan-Erik.

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2004\03\02@073134 by Nigel Orr

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> As a general question Where do people buy electronics bits
> from in the uk?

Rapid Electronics are good prices all-round, much better prices than
RS/Farnell for most stuff, especially PICs.
Crownhill seem to be best prices for PICs and most up to date in the range
they carry.
CPC are good for consumer-type stuff and batteries.
RS and Maplin are good if you are in a rush, have a trade counter/shop
nearby and cost isn't critical!
RS and Farnell are best for the sheer volume and diversity of stock
available, that's about it!

> I would also be interested where to buy  ftdi parts from.

Have you contacted FTDI directly to ask them?  They are based in Glasgow,
so should be able to suggest a UK distributor if they can't sample to you
directly.

Nigel

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2004\03\03@010854 by spacecat

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Thanks guy's but it still seems the only places I can find the 18f6680 is
microchip and digikey, so I guess I'll be buying from microchip. also I can
still only find the ftdi part from the uk distributor ( which doesn't seem
to sell much else of any use) and dontronics, which also seems a bit distant
a place to buy from.


Richard

PS I actually think farnell provide a good service free delivery over
#10gbp, and if you think the web site is poor then try searching for parts
on RS.!


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2004\03\03@024608 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> still only find the ftdi part from the uk distributor ( which
> doesn't seem
> to sell much else of any use) and dontronics, which also
> seems a bit distant
> a place to buy from.

I just a lowlands sea away from you: http://www.voti.nl/shop

But frankly: when you order over the internet and get the stuff by mail,
why bother where on earth your supplier is located?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\03\03@035033 by Alan B. Pearce

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>also I can still only find the
>ftdi part from the uk distributor

Wouter sells them from the Netherlands. Check the web site on his email tag.

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2004\03\03@050627 by Richard

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Well that's good to know but just a shame you don't sell the 18f6680/6585 in
plcc format, it seems like an ideal part for hobbyists who want more pins.

PS I do understand you cant possibly stock everything.

Richard
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2004\03\03@052743 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Well that's good to know but just a shame you don't sell the
> 18f6680/6585 in
> plcc format, it seems like an ideal part for hobbyists who
> want more pins.

Suggestions are always welcome.

I don't yet have PCBs for those 40+ pins chips, but they are in design.
When I have the PCBs I will add some of those bigger chips to the shop.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\03\10@065143 by Howard Winter

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Wouter,

(Continuing my habit of replying to messages long after they were sent!)

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:45:38 +0100, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

> But frankly: when you order over the internet and get the stuff by mail, why bother where on earth your
supplier is located?

Within Europe, I agree to some extent, although buying from Germany on eBay I usually find they don't accept
any sort of electronic funds-transfer and tend to want cash up-front.

But when you're buying from across the pond it can be much more difficult.  A lot of American suppliers add on
extras for international business - extra handling charges (because they have to visit the Post Office instead
of having it picked up), or don't trust foreign buyers and won't use things like PayPal because there's no
"protection" from the latter, or have higher prices for foreign buyers.  And the shipping can take *much*
longer and can cost a lot more, and involve extra charges for Customs clearance.  For example, I recently
bought some stuff from "Goldmine" and it took three weeks to get here, I had to collect it from the
Parcelforce depot (a 30-mile round trip), and had to pay the £9 Customs levy plus £8 for Parcelforce to
collect the £9!  I calculate that overall the parcel cost me twice as much as it would have cost an American
to buy the same stuff.

There are exceptions, of course.  "Glitchbuster" is an excellent supplier and somehow he manages not to charge
exhorbitant amounts for shipping and so on.  Obviously he is somewhat in competition with you, Wouter, so I
won't go on, and as you know I do buy stuff from you too!

So to sum up my attitude to buying from abroad, if they provide a good service, reasonable prices and fairly
fast shipping, I will buy from anyone, anywhere.  But if it costs considerably more, or the supplier gives the
impression that they really can't be bothered to deal with overseas customers, or they imply that they have an
inherent distrust of foreigners, then I won't buy from them.

And sometimes that first condition applies to suppliers within the UK!  Olimex ready-built devices are
available here from a reseller that seems to add 50% markup to the price on Olimex's web site, and then of
course they add VAT and shipping, so it ends up about twice as much as the Olimex price.  Upgrading
"NetObjects Fusion" (web site design software) by downloading costs much more in Europe than in the rest of
the World, and when I pointed out to the manufacturers that it was US$65 to someone in the USA, or anyone from
Azerbaijan to Zimbabwe but US$95 to someone in Britain, The Netherlands, France, Germany... they told me that
it's up to the local distributor to set prices.  (For downloading software you need a local distributor???)
So they (and Olimex) have lost business because I refuse to be fleeced like that!

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England

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2004\03\10@072716 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> > But frankly: when you order over the internet and get the
> stuff by mail, why bother where on earth your supplier is located?

(snip snip)

In the end you don't bother much about the location an sich, but about:
- shipping time
- shipping charges
- customes trouble
- politics of your local courrier

When I buy from overseas I get a courier at my door who collects the
customs charges. OK, it is a bit inconvenient that I don't get a
notification of the exact date or hour he will nock, or the exact
amount, yet he wants the exact amount in cash. But I learned to have the
aproximate amount at hand and a lot of small chash to make the exact
match. But another courier sends me a request first that I have to sign
(or agree using their website) and develivers some days later. And they
do charge extra, which I don't mind much, but the delay is frustrating.

> There are exceptions, of course.  "Glitchbuster" is an
> excellent supplier and somehow he manages not to charge
> exhorbitant amounts for shipping and so on.  Obviously he is
> somewhat in competition with you, Wouter, so I
> won't go on, and as you know I do buy stuff from you too!

Actually I don't mind - I hope more small internet shops will prosper so
the hobby/small-business electronics activities around the world will
survive. And seeing the other guy's price list helps me to adjust mine,
both in price and product range.

Wouter van Ooijen

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