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2001\09\16@032038 by rad0

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hello,

I was messing around with the msdos.sys file
and yes, I hosed it good, it won't boot now...

I want to get into the system, and set the system back
to use an uncorrupted archive.

I'm using windows 98, I know it does the archives , but
I've done this so few times, I've forgotten...how

This is an older compaq laptop, presario

Can someone please tell me what buttons, I hold down
while booting, to get me to the area where, I can
tell the thing to use an archive version..

If any one can give me a little recipe for doing this,
I would be much obliged...


thanks...

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2001\09\16@075911 by M. Adam Davis

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The msdos.sys file is not backed up, there are no boot options to use
'another' msdos.sys.

Your only real option is to boot up with a disk, and copy the msdos.sys
from another win98 computer to yours.

-Adam

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2001\09\16@082523 by Nigel Goodwin

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In message <spam_OUT3BA4936A.2010708TakeThisOuTspamubasics.com>, M. Adam Davis
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>The msdos.sys file is not backed up, there are no boot options to use
>'another' msdos.sys.
>
>Your only real option is to boot up with a disk, and copy the msdos.sys
>from another win98 computer to yours.

Boot from a win98 floppy and type 'sys' - this reloads msdos.sys and
associated boot files.
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2001\09\16@100641 by rad0

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thanks Nigel,

when I boot from a floppy, a startup disk,
it arrive at the a: floppy prompt, when I type sys
it gives the message
Bad command or file name


I assume you meant this to be done from the hard drive prompt maybe,
however, it doesn't seem to recognize that the hard drive is there...I've
tried switching, using cd c:\ -perhaps this is wrong or not enough...

can I mount the hard drive some way? then do your 'sys'

thanks



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2001\09\16@103012 by Kathy Quinlan

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Hi Rad,

On the win98 boot disk is sys (if it was created properly under win98 or is
the Microsoft supplied one).

If you do "dir c:" from the A:\> prompt and it gives an error like "invalid
media" or "system can not find that path" etc, run fdisk BUT DO NOT CHANGE
ANY OPTIONS. Only look at the option which is show partition information,
and make sure the values add up to the size hard drive the computer has.
Also if it has multiple drives check they are all shown.

Regards,

Kat.

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2001\09\16@112012 by Nigel Goodwin

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In message <000c01c13eb7$fa226560$2def1b3f@VAIO>, rad0
<.....rden25KILLspamspam.....MINDSPRING.COM> writes
>thanks Nigel,
>
>when I boot from a floppy, a startup disk,
>it arrive at the a: floppy prompt, when I type sys
>it gives the message
>Bad command or file name

I've just checked - sys.com isn't included on a standard win98 start-up
disk :-(. I always copy it onto mine, I'd forgotten it wasn't there
normally!.

>I assume you meant this to be done from the hard drive prompt maybe,
>however, it doesn't seem to recognize that the hard drive is there...I've
>tried switching, using cd c:\ -perhaps this is wrong or not enough...
>
>can I mount the hard drive some way? then do your 'sys'

Try booting from the floppy, then type 'dir c:' - if this doesn't give
you a directory listing of your hard drive you have more problems than
you thought!. BTW, to switch to your C drive you don't type 'cd c:\',
simply type 'c:' - obviously you are a UNIX/LINUX person :-).
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2001\09\16@133211 by M. Adam Davis

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Sys.com is typically installed to c:\windows\command\ along with fdisk,
format, and other emergency disk utilities.

-Adam

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2001\09\16@143530 by rad0

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OK, thanks all, I've found everything on the C drive but:

running fdisk did nothing, at least by accepting all the defaults...

sys.com - gives an error 'Required parameter missing'


any other ideas?










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2001\09\16@143937 by Tim Hamel

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In a message dated 9/16/01 11:36:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
KILLspamrden25KILLspamspamMINDSPRING.COM writes:


> OK, thanks all, I've found everything on the C drive but:
>
> running fdisk did nothing, at least by accepting all the defaults...
>
> sys.com - gives an error 'Required parameter missing'
>
>
> any other ideas?
>

Maybe sys /? would tell you.....?? If you don't wanna look do this from your
boot floppy:

sys a: c:

Regards,

Tim Hamel

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2001\09\16@150023 by Dale Botkin

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On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, rad0 wrote:

> OK, thanks all, I've found everything on the C drive but:
>
> running fdisk did nothing, at least by accepting all the defaults...
>
> sys.com - gives an error 'Required parameter missing'
>
>
> any other ideas?

sys c:

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2001\09\16@152955 by rad0

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I'm giving up on this until I get home, and can use the system disk...

I trashed my boot disk, and when it boots from the c drive, it
boots to a blue screen with the message

vfat unable to instal, ...something is missing....


thanks all....


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2001\09\16@170828 by Thomas McGahee

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You have to type:
sys c:

Fr. Tom McGahee

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2001\09\16@180800 by Attila Muhi

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Hi !

>vfat unable to instal, ...something is missing....


I think that you might have to reformat your drive, or in worst case, low-level reformat it. If the fat gets corrupted, you have got a serous problem. OK, I'm not an expert on Win98, but when I hear something that sounds as FAT-problems...

There was a good program (DOS !) from Seagate called DiskManager for fixing and partitioning disks. From the past, I also remember that you could start some code in a prom on the disk controller card that would take care of low level formating.

Good luck

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2001\09\16@190545 by Dave King

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> >vfat unable to instal, ...something is missing....
>
>I think that you might have to reformat your drive, or in worst case,
>low-level reformat it. If the fat gets corrupted, you have got a serous
>problem. OK, I'm not an expert on Win98, but when I hear something that
>sounds as FAT-problems...

No need to reformat. Get a demo copy of Norton Diskdoctor and run it. There
are two fat tracks and it just needs to be restored or refreshed from the
second.

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2001\09\17@151755 by Attila Muhi

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>No need to reformat. Get a demo copy of Norton Diskdoctor and run it. There
>are two fat tracks and it just needs to be restored or refreshed from the
>second.


That was a good point ! I don't remember the originator of this thread, it is not about my disk, but anyway, I have been playing with NDD a lot in the past, and the results when fixing the FAT:s were quite bad, actually I never had any success with that. I wonder, does the O/S allow anyone to create or delete files if there is a mismatch between the two FAT copies ? That might explain my lack of success ?



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2001\09\17@165129 by Paul Hutchinson

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IIRC, it depends on type of FAT (16/32) and O/S.

With Win9X and FAT32 I believe Windows will allow you to keep going when the
two tables get out of synch. So, you need to catch the error and fix it
ASAP.

I've had very limited success in rescuing data for people in the last few
years. My best results have been when the data is mostly ASCII and I use
Norton DiskEdit to grab what I can find _before_ letting Scandisk or Norton
Disk Doctor attempt to repair the disk.

For myself, I don't even try recovery, I just restore from backup sets.

Paul


> That was a good point ! I don't remember the originator of this
> thread, it is not about my disk, but anyway, I have been playing
> with NDD a lot in the past, and the results when fixing the FAT:s
> were quite bad, actually I never had any success with that. I
> wonder, does the O/S allow anyone to create or delete files if
> there is a mismatch between the two FAT copies ? That might
> explain my lack of success ?
>
> Attila Muhi - SM4RAN

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2001\09\17@222332 by Steve Turner

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Inability to install vfat doesn't necessarily mean the disk or even the
FAT is hosed.

If the root of the problem is that msdos.sys is corrupted, this is
relatively easy to fix.  But the file cannot be restored by simply
recopying it to the c: partition, because it must reside in the boot
sector (IIRC).  Restoring the boot programs is the function of
sys.com.

To restore the boot sector on your hard drive, you will need a
bootable floppy which also contains sys.com.  If your bootable
floppy lacks this program, you're stuck unless you can access the
hard drive and copy the program to the floppy.  The normal location
of sys.com is c:\windows\command.  The floppy needs to be
bootable because the boot files that are restored to the hard disk
are the ones resident on the boot floppy.

Boot from the floppy, and from the A:> prompt type sys c:

When the program has restored the boot files you will get the
message "System transferred".  Remove the floppy and restart the
machine.

Steve Turner

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2001\09\19@044708 by dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi,

try to press F5 while booting.

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