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'[WOT] : Smiley Central Problems'
2007\07\12@064510 by Bob Axtell

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My wife is ready to throw me out of the house because I
got rid of her smileys (Smiley Central).

Smiley Central is adware/malware that invites people to install
smileys for use on their email. Once installed, smiley takes over
the PC, replacing decent search engines with their fraudulent
search engine "MySearch" and "WebSearch". If you previously
have Google hooked in ANYWHERE, it will redirect it to their
fraudulent search engine. When you USE their search engine, no
matter what link you click on, the engine redirects you to one of
their PAID links, NOT what you clicked on.

If you try to uninstall smiley central, it comes right back and re-installs
itself! The only way to get rid of it is to  use a malware killer, like
ad-aware.

If all that wasn't enough, it slows the PC down to a crawl, like it is
climbing Mt Everest all the time.

I tried to install commercial smilies (a paid-for program) but my wife
doesn't like it ("Get Smile").

Here's what I need help with: how can I install the smileys without
the other bad things? Is there a way to just have part of it working?
Or am I forced to hack the program to dismantle the bad pieces?

--Bob

2007\07\12@081423 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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>Subject: [WOT] : Smiley Central Problems
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>Here's what I need help with: how can I install the smileys
>without the other bad things? Is there a way to just have part
>of it working? Or am I forced to hack the program to dismantle
>the bad pieces?


Attack the problem from the other end.  Introduce your wife to the delights of ASCII based emoticons ;-)

Mike

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2007\07\12@092934 by William Couture

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You could get her a computer of her own.

But, of course, you'll probably wind up spewing spam if you
put that junk on the new system...

Bill

On 7/12/07, Bob Axtell <engineerspamKILLspamcotse.net> wrote:
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2007\07\12@103509 by piclist

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Welcome to the club.

I got tired of fixing my computers because my girlfriend kept installing crap
every time she used it.

My solution was to remove her account from all my pcs and get her a pc of her
own.  Once I had it all setup with just Windows (not even office and other
stuff some people find essential), I took a backup image of the hard drive,
before letting her loose on the poor machine.  Note: having the clean image
with nothing installed was the key to my plan.  She was in charge of
installing
all of the apps she wanted to use.

The first time around, after two months of begging me to find out why her
machine was too slow, I simply restored the drive's image, she lost everything
she had installed because I did not bother salvaging anything before the
restore.  When she asked why I answered, "maybe you should contact the tech
support people of all this crap you install here and ask them why your system
is so slow and full of viruses".  After this happened for the fourth time, and
losing everything every time, she finally gave up and started to ask
about what
she should or should not install in her machine.  She's getting the point, but
still not all there.  It'll take another couple of restores with complete data
loss before she fully gets the concept.

Give it a try :)


-Mario



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2007\07\12@105843 by Mark Scoville

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> Here's what I need help with: how can I install the smileys without
> the other bad things? Is there a way to just have part of it working?
> Or am I forced to hack the program to dismantle the bad pieces?
>
> --Bob

It might be easier to *install* Wife 2.0 (or 3.0...) :-)

-- Mark


2007\07\12@110740 by Bob Axtell

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Mark Scoville wrote:
>> Here's what I need help with: how can I install the smileys without
>> the other bad things? Is there a way to just have part of it working?
>> Or am I forced to hack the program to dismantle the bad pieces?
>>
>> --Bob
>>    
>
> It might be easier to *install* Wife 2.0 (or 3.0...) :-)
>
> -- Mark
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>
>  
She is rev 5.0 now. I can't afford another one.....

--Bob

2007\07\12@111139 by Lindy Mayfield

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Similar to what Mario wrote, have you considered VMWare server?  I have a one windozz image that I use for when I feel like living dangerously and installing things that I'm not totally sure about.  You can take a snapshot of the image after you first install it, and then when it becomes sick and infested with all sorts of creepy-crawlies you can just throw it all away and start again.

You can get VMWare server to run on Linux (or windowsz) for free.  

Cheers,
Lindy



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2007\07\12@111836 by Bob Axtell

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piclist@mmendes.com wrote:
> Welcome to the club.
>
> I got tired of fixing my computers because my girlfriend kept installing crap
> every time she used it.
>
> My solution was to remove her account from all my pcs and get her a pc of her
> own.  Once I had it all setup with just Windows (not even office and other
> stuff some people find essential), I took a backup image of the hard drive,
> before letting her loose on the poor machine.  Note: having the clean image
> with nothing installed was the key to my plan.  She was in charge of
> installing
> all of the apps she wanted to use.
>  
She HAS her own PC, and without smiley central it runs faster than mine.

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Ad-aware found 68 smiley files, EXCLUDING another 100  cookie files.
After  I stripped stuff out, I had to run registry mechanic to fix the  
registry; it found almost 200  issues.

I sent a complaint to Smiley Central support, and they denied that their
search engines were fraudulent. These guys need
to be tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail (how justice
was done in the early days of the USA).

--Bob

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2007\07\12@144630 by piclist

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If she already has her own pc, you're already half way there.  Just create the
image now and save it for the next time she cries about it again :)

Quoting Bob Axtell <engineerspamspam_OUTcotse.net>:

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2007\07\12@162147 by Richard Prosser

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Would it be possible to edit the hosts file so that the "smiley search
page" was re-directed to google or whatever?
It won't speed things up but you might be able to retain some required features.

RP

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2007\07\12@163303 by David VanHorn

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On 7/12/07, Richard Prosser <EraseMErhprosserspamgmail.com> wrote:
> Would it be possible to edit the hosts file so that the "smiley search
> page" was re-directed to google or whatever?
> It won't speed things up but you might be able to retain some required features.

Unfortunately, the only real solution is education. Never an easy prospect.

My daughters have been through several rounds of this from "free games" sites.
Not ripoff stuff, but games that come with much adware and spyware,
and "search bars", and "tool bars"..  I usually fix it with a  "format
c:", but this time I'm trying something different, the second step is
"install Ubuntu".

2007\07\12@192705 by James Newtons Massmind

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> My wife is ready to throw me out of the house because I got
> rid of her smileys (Smiley Central).

So what is it about Smiley Central that she is so in love with? If it is
just the graphics, save as them and show her how to insert them into emails.

---
James.


2007\07\13@041532 by Matthew Rhys-Roberts

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I couldn't have put it better. M$Windoze is a malware target the size of
a barn door; one size fits all. Conversely, Linux in its many flavours
evolves & mutates much faster, and for some reason (discuss?) has very
little malware aimed at it. I wonder if & how that will change?

Matt


David VanHorn wrote:
> Unfortunately, the only real solution is education. Never an easy prospect.
>
> My daughters have been through several rounds of this from "free games" sites.
> Not ripoff stuff, but games that come with much adware and spyware,
> and "search bars", and "tool bars"..  I usually fix it with a  "format
> c:", but this time I'm trying something different, the second step is
> "install Ubuntu".

2007\07\13@054110 by Peter Bindels

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On 13/07/07, Matthew Rhys-Roberts <RemoveMEmattEraseMEspamEraseMEnu-ins.com> wrote:
> I couldn't have put it better. M$Windoze is a malware target the size of
> a barn door; one size fits all.

More like the broad side of the barn in the middle of Texas.

> Conversely, Linux in its many flavours
> evolves & mutates much faster, and for some reason (discuss?) has very
> little malware aimed at it. I wonder if & how that will change?

That depends on the userfriendlyness.

- There are not much users compared to Windows - a few million versus billions
- They know what they're doing - no self-respecting unix user will
install malware willingly and they know how to detect malware
- It's better documented. Try to find what a lowlevel Windows thing
does and be amazed how undocumented it is - so that offers a good
place to hide
- There's less commercial crap by commercial companies - Commercial
products act like the same kind of shit unix users don't accept from
any product, like installing a rootkit (Sony), hogging system
resources (Norton), calling home uninvited (seems to be a fad, every
new program does it) and being incredibly large (notably display
drivers taking 50 megs).

If you want to hide in Windows, do something remotely useful and use
one of the obvious ways to hide from the blind. If you want to hide in
Unix, you have to be pretty useful and you have to hide from the
seeing on a system not set up for hiding. Also, there's less of a
crowd of evil applications to blend into.

2007\07\13@102242 by M. Adam Davis

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Well, you have three options (from my point of view)
1. She lives without smiley central
2. She lives with a slow, barely useful computer
3. You somehow neuter smiley central so she can have many of the
benefits of 1 and 2 without the detriments.
4. You make your own smiley central program, start selling it, and add
a feature that removes the bad smiley central upon installation.  It
will sell like gangbusters.  Of course, you'll have to spend dozens of
hours a month playing cat and mouse with smiley central, and you'll
also need a good artist/animator/digital designer for the artsy bits.

Seems you've chosen 3.

I suspect that with careful monitoring you can craft a hosts file and
install and setup a firewall such that you can use smiley central
without too many of the bad aspects.  I doubt that they've interleaved
the good parts of smiley with the bad parts such that you'll lose the
desired functionality when you block the undesired.

Also note that it may not be smiley central itself causing many of the
problems, but their "value added third party software" that they
"offer" at various times.  If you can disable the automatic updates,
and downloading and installation of secondary or tertiary programs you
may actually find peace.

Good luck!  (You'll need it...)

-Adam

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2007\07\13@162128 by Barry Gershenfeld

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>I got tired of fixing my computers because my girlfriend kept installing crap
>every time she used it.
>
>...she lost everything...she had installed because I did not bother
>salvaging anything before the
>restore.  When she asked why I answered, "maybe you should contact the tech
>support people of all this crap you install here...

I'm thinking that may be, "former girlfriend"

I do a lot of things with my computer; some would make you roll your eyes;
others might make you say "How'd you do that?".  But one thing I do is put
the useful data on another drive (partition).  So I could wipe the system
and retain my data without having to think about it.  Preserving installed
programs is more difficult--these days--because of that damned registry.

2007\07\13@182722 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 7/12/07, Bob Axtell <RemoveMEengineerTakeThisOuTspamspamcotse.net> wrote:
> Ad-aware found 68 smiley files, EXCLUDING another 100  cookie files.
> After  I stripped stuff out, I had to run registry mechanic to fix the
> registry; it found almost 200  issues.
>

One of the worst adware in the world is Yahoo China's Yahoo! Assistant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Assistant has a method to block the
website. You may want to try that at least to alleviate the payload of the
spyware.

Xiaofan

2007\07\13@184344 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 7/12/07, David VanHorn <EraseMEmicrobrixspamspamspamBeGonegmail.com> wrote:
> My daughters have been through several rounds of this from "free games" sites.
> Not ripoff stuff, but games that come with much adware and spyware,
> and "search bars", and "tool bars"..  I usually fix it with a  "format
> c:", but this time I'm trying something different, the second step is
> "install Ubuntu".

It might work for your daughter. Not so sure if it will work for your
wife. :-) I think it won't work for Bob. ;-)

2007\07\13@190519 by David VanHorn

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> It might work for your daughter. Not so sure if it will work for your
> wife. :-) I think it won't work for Bob. ;-)

Actually, as of a month or so ago, my daughters, my wife, and my
girlfriend all are on Ubuntu.   My daughters are the big spyware fans
though.  Lori and Karen are both somewhat technophobic.

2007\07\13@200050 by Piclist

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>But one thing I do is put
>the useful data on another drive (partition).  So I could wipe the
system
>and retain my data without having to think about it.

Yes, that would be the right way of doing it, but I'll pay anyone that
can convince her to save the "good stuff" in the correct places.  So,
she's responsible for the health of her system, by choosing what she
want's to install in her machine knowing very well that most of the
stuff she installs is the free crap with very long license agreements,
such as games, and the type of software like Smiley Central.  So, the
first time she got "the talk".  The second time I tried to explain
again.  The third time, I just took care of it by a full reinstall after
a format of the drive.  It really is her choice as to how important her
data really is.  If it were that important, she'd take care of it and
not install the seedy software all over the place.  So if she does not
care, I'm not going to spend time and money trying to make it full
proof.

I work in IT and have had to deal with this type of stuff before.  But
just like the databases I manage, it is up to the "business" (in this
case the girlfriend) how important the data is and how much data they
can afford to lose during a crash (a.k.a. frequency of transaction log
bags).

-Mario


2007\07\14@054739 by Tony Smith

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> >But one thing I do is put
> >the useful data on another drive (partition).  So I could wipe the
> system
> >and retain my data without having to think about it.
>
> Yes, that would be the right way of doing it, but I'll pay
> anyone that can convince her to save the "good stuff" in the
> correct places.  So, she's responsible for the health of her


Actually, it's the programmers & 'power users' who tend to put stuff in
weird places, not the average (ie uniformed) users.  The users just hit
save, and it all ends up in their 'My Documents' folder, or on the desktop.
Programs are supposed to use the 'Applications Data' folder for their stuff,
and there is one for each user.  Registry stuff is a bit trickier, but I
think the 'transfer user' wizard thingy handles that ok.

As alluded at above, you can move the 'special folders' to anywhere you
like, so 'C:\Program Files\' can be 'D:\Program Files\', ditto for 'My
Docs', etc.  Then you find out which applications have dumb-arse
programmers, who assume it's always 'C:\Program Files\'.  Or whatever the
equivalent is in German.

All the 'good stuff' should end up under her profile in 'Docs & Settings',
assuming the programmers are doing 'the right thing'.  It's not as if it's
hard, there's an API for it and all.

Users like myself find it hard to break out of the DOS days, and dammit, if
I want a folder called 'C:\Porn\' *, I'll damn well make one.  Then I'll
complain when stuff is all over the place.

I've found that taking away Admin rights solves quite a few problems, or at
least slows most people down.  Much politer than saying 'If you keep
downloading crap I'll punch you, and then set your computer on fire, rather
than fix it'.

Tony


* In reality, I'd call it 'C:\Stuff\', since no-one will ever look there.


2007\07\15@132616 by Peter Bindels

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On 14/07/07, Tony Smith <RemoveMEajsmithKILLspamspamrivernet.com.au> wrote:
> Actually, it's the programmers & 'power users' who tend to put stuff in
> weird places, not the average (ie uniformed) users.

Not programmers and power users. Mostly people who have used computers
longer than Microsoft was able to tell them how to think and people
who think that "C:\stuff" is shorter than "C:\Documents and
Settings\UserName\My Documents\". Not to mention that code isn't
documents.

Compare unix for example. When I save my files it'll go into "~"
instead of "/stuff". Now that's an improvement from the
user-friendlyness perspective. Programs are a bit worse off though.

> The users just hit
> save, and it all ends up in their 'My Documents' folder, or on the desktop.
> Programs are supposed to use the 'Applications Data' folder for their stuff,
> and there is one for each user.  Registry stuff is a bit trickier, but I
> think the 'transfer user' wizard thingy handles that ok.

The setup is such that it is a likely place to save stuff, but not
likely that all your applications will conform. Applications have too
much freedom on Windows, they can put their stuff where they like to
without any complaints. Including on system files and so on, where you
receive an error AFTER the program has demolished your system. What
about checking that before you allow it to wreck it?

> As alluded at above, you can move the 'special folders' to anywhere you
> like, so 'C:\Program Files\' can be 'D:\Program Files\', ditto for 'My
> Docs', etc.  Then you find out which applications have dumb-arse
> programmers, who assume it's always 'C:\Program Files\'.  Or whatever the
> equivalent is in German.

Programmbestanden?

Anyway, the only way you really find out about that is when you create
a computer /without/ C drive. I have one here and I am pretty sure I
have two programs I plain can't install because it wants to check the
C:\ (stubbornly) before it allows me to tell it not to be an idiot.
About half the other programs defaults to C:\Program Files and the
other half to E:\Program Files (which is where my harddisk is).

Most annoying. My C:\ is my mp3 player. Not to be used for installing
stupid programs.

> Users like myself find it hard to break out of the DOS days, and dammit, if
> I want a folder called 'C:\Porn\' *, I'll damn well make one.  Then I'll
> complain when stuff is all over the place.

My GF thought it weird that I'd label my porn folder with the name
"porn". I figured, if I was going to hide it it'd be exactly as
suspicious.

> I've found that taking away Admin rights solves quite a few problems, or at
> least slows most people down.  Much politer than saying 'If you keep
> downloading crap I'll punch you, and then set your computer on fire, rather
> than fix it'.

The only way to fix Windows is to lock down the computer so that all
the user can wreck is stuff the user put on it. Then make sure the
user isn't the one installing the computer and you're all set.

2007\07\16@071308 by Matthew Rhys-Roberts

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Glad to report that my partner is a fairly recent convert to Ubuntu,
which does just about everything she needs.

I got sick of her various hand-me-down Windoze machines dying from
malware infection, so I asserted the change of OS. Consequently I've
made a lot of new computer club friends that I wouldn't have if I'd
stayed with the old guard.

Matt




David VanHorn wrote:
>> It might work for your daughter. Not so sure if it will work for your
>> wife. :-) I think it won't work for Bob. ;-)
>>    
>
> Actually, as of a month or so ago, my daughters, my wife, and my
> girlfriend all are on Ubuntu.   My daughters are the big spyware fans
> though.  Lori and Karen are both somewhat technophobic.
>  

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