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2010\04\19@124958 by John Ferrell

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PowerBasic Has a new release, Version 9. They are selling their PowerBasic Classic (ver. 8) at $49.00 for electronic delivery. I purchased this two weeks ago and I have found it a lot easier to deal with than Visual Basic or other PC Compilers. It is a full featured product that generates compact code quickly. The code will run on Win 95 forward. Full document information is either in the package or on PowerBasic. com.

Most of the product training is by example, which is my favorite way. There is an upgrade path that costs no more than if you had started with the latest version.

In all fairness, if you want the forms generator it is available as an add-on. That will permit you to easily do GUI's that look like Delphi or Visual Basic.

It does not do all the prompting in the IDE that I find so annoying in Delphi/VB.
I have found it very difficult to register my owned copy of Delphi 7 on my current machines. I have not been able to keep the various MS VB's sorted out so that I can make use of the many user packages on the Internet.

It works for me!

My only relationship with the PowerBasic organization is that of being a happy customer...
John Ferrell  W8CCW

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."
-Edward R. Murrow

2010\04\19@143034 by Kari Laine

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What this has to do with PIC?
Well Here I go

I second this recommendation for PowerBasic products.

I have mainly used the console compiler to do utilities.
I have waited the Linux version - but no avail.

Good thing with PowerBasic is that exes are very small and don't
require plethora of DLLs.

The Windows compiler I have not use much because one have to
understand the WIN API programming.
I am in the process to learn that....
There is two products to make programming user interface easier
- EzGUI
- FireFly

I bought both of them.

But to make this appropriate for PIC list.
Are there any users of BV513 from Byvac?
Or any other products from them?

I am just curious to learn how popular they are, cause I am investing
much of my time to learn them.

Best Regards
Kari



On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:49 PM, John Ferrell <spam_OUTjferrell13TakeThisOuTspamtriad.rr.com> wrote:
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2010\04\20@130437 by PICdude

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John,

I'm now getting ready to find a tool like this for interacting with my  
PIC stuff via USB.  (Yes, I really intend to learn PIC USB development  
once and for all).  How does this compiler handle USB programming?  Or  
any other interactions with serial and parallel ports also?  Do you  
know if they also provide any example code for these?  I'll have to  
ping them about it, but thinking you may have a more direct answer.

Cheers,
-Neil



Quoting John Ferrell <.....jferrell13KILLspamspam@spam@triad.rr.com>:

> PowerBasic Has a new release, Version 9. They are selling their  
> PowerBasic Classic (ver. 8) at $49.00 for electronic delivery. I  
> purchased this two weeks ago and I have found it a lot easier to  
> deal with than Visual Basic or other PC Compilers. It is a full  ...

2010\04\20@155322 by Michael Watterson

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PICdude wrote:
> John,
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> I'm now getting ready to find a tool like this for interacting with my  
> PIC stuff via USB.  (Yes, I really intend to learn PIC USB development  
> once and for all).  How does this compiler handle USB programming?  Or  
> any other interactions with serial and parallel ports also?  Do you  
> know if they also provide any example code for these?  I'll have to  
> ping them about it, but thinking you may have a more direct answer.
>
>  
I got USB working in less than 20min on PIC4550 using JAL
http://code.google.com/p/jallib/
It's free, open source and specially designed for the weird PIC
architecture. Have a look at the libraries.

At PC end you use familiar devices such Serial over USB or HID etc.

2010\04\20@191830 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:04 AM, PICdude <picdude3spamKILLspamnarwani.org> wrote:
> I'm now getting ready to find a tool like this for interacting with my
> PIC stuff via USB.  (Yes, I really intend to learn PIC USB development
> once and for all).

"Once and for all" is probably not easy depending on your purpose.
If you want to have just a few simple application with CDC or HID without
digging into the details, then it is probably not that difficult.

Once you start to dig into the details, it is getting more and more difficult.
The host side is also very tricky.

For USB, Microchip's USB Stack is probably the best (and the best
documented) and they use MPLAB C18/C30/C32.

--
Xiaofan http://mcuee.blogspot.com

2010\04\20@213339 by John Ferrell

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I am not far enough along to give you good answers to those questions.
I can tell you that DLL's are the same whatever the compiler. Same for
API's. I am working on understanding these areas and I believe that the
examples in PowerBasic will make that possible for me. There are also Forums
at their web site that look useful.
$49 seems a good deal to me.

John Ferrell  W8CCW

When injustice becomes law,
 Resistance becomes DUTY.
    Thomas Jefferson
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2010\04\20@214605 by Bob Ammerman

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>I am not far enough along to give you good answers to those questions.
> I can tell you that DLL's are the same whatever the compiler. Same for
> API's. I am working on understanding these areas and I believe that the
> examples in PowerBasic will make that possible for me. There are also
> Forums
> at their web site that look useful.
> $49 seems a good deal to me.
>
> John Ferrell  W8CCW

I would compare $49 for PowerBasic to $0 for Visual Basic 2008 Express
Edition from Microsoft.

I use the Pro version of the latter nearly every day these days and I am
*very* impressed.

-- Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems

2010\04\21@104122 by PICdude

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Quoting Michael Watterson <.....mikeKILLspamspam.....radioway.org>:

> I got USB working in less than 20min on PIC4550 using JAL
> http://code.google.com/p/jallib/
> It's free, open source and specially designed for the weird PIC
> architecture. Have a look at the libraries.
>
> At PC end you use familiar devices such Serial over USB or HID etc.


Not overly concerned about the PIC side of things, but I've been  
thinking I'd do this in C, because I want to move to C anyway (from  
assembly currently).

I want to learn USB properly, not just find workarounds like  
simulating serial etc, but just researching tools for this.

Cheers,
-Neil.


2010\04\21@104517 by PICdude

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Quoting Xiaofan Chen <EraseMExiaofancspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com>:


> "Once and for all" is probably not easy depending on your purpose.
> If you want to have just a few simple application with CDC or HID without
> digging into the details, then it is probably not that difficult.
>
> Once you start to dig into the details, it is getting more and more  
> difficult.
> The host side is also very tricky.
>
> For USB, Microchip's USB Stack is probably the best (and the best
> documented) and they use MPLAB C18/C30/C32.


I took the Microchip RTC course on USB, but that was over a year ago  
so I've forgotten it all.  And it wasn't that detailed as I would've  
liked anyway.  I've been googling for examples (as I really like to  
start there) and your name pops up everywhere, including the microchip  
form posts with all the links.  You can bet I'll be picking your brain  
when I do get started.  Also considering using a Pickit 2 as a USB  
platform.

For now though, yes, the MCHPUSB framework is where I want to start.

Cheers,
-Neil.





2010\04\21@104931 by PICdude

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Quoting Bob Ammerman <rvammermanspamspam_OUTroadrunner.com>:

> I would compare $49 for PowerBasic to $0 for Visual Basic 2008 Express
> Edition from Microsoft.
>
> I use the Pro version of the latter nearly every day these days and I am
> *very* impressed.
>
> -- Bob Ammerman
> RAm Systems
>

I actually downloaded that and Visual C some time back, but haven't  
yet installed it.  Yes, I expect it to be powerful, but I have this  
general feeling that Microsoft's docs are generally confusing.  I know  
-- I used to work for MS.  They generally have the advantage of lots  
of support and example code on the net.  I'm just researching all  
options to see if I can make life easier to get started.

Cheers,
-Neil.


2010\04\21@121454 by Bob Ammerman

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Subject: Re: [Tech]: PicBasic Bargain


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Yes, the MS docs are less than stellar, but Google is your best friend to
find out how to do something. Perhaps my most common Google query is
something like

.NET <foo> <bar>

:-)

--- Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems

2010\04\21@125955 by John Ferrell

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I have tried to grasp the free editions of VB with little success. I have
been able to do the exercises but not really able to link to the outside
world.  VB 6 had a "Learning Edition" that I bought and followed but still
was at a loss to deal with accessing serial port, etc. The examples I worked
with last night & this morning provided me with many of the clues I need to
understand dll's. Wikipedia (DLL) also helped a lot. After I chase down the
same sort of thing for the API I hope I can write some usable code.

I managed Pascal/Assembler/c well enough in the 80's for a CompSci degree in
college but that was prior to Windows. I suspect that after I digest what I
am getting from PowerBasic some of the other Compilers will be more
friendly.

Life is short, I have to take the fast track...

John Ferrell  W8CCW

When injustice becomes law,
 Resistance becomes DUTY.
    Thomas Jefferson
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