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'[TECH] back to the farm was : Printed solar pane'
2008\07\15@205551 by Cedric Chang

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I am excited to see solar cells of all persuasions popping up.  I  
want to build that 10 square mile solar farm that converts sun energy  
into hydrogen.   Some barren desert land covered with solar cells or  
solar converters.  Water is piped in to supply the raw materials.  
Oxygen and Hydrogen are produced directly from solar or are produced  
from electricity that was produced from solar.  Oxygen and hydrogen  
are piped out or trucked out to be used for nefarious purposes.  
Flora and fauna live in the shade provided by the solar units.  
Individuals invest in modular solar units that are set up on the  
solar farm land.  Sort of like owning a alt-energy oil well.  Lots of  
owners of the modular units.  I would own the land.

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2008\07\15@222021 by Apptech

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> Flora and fauna live in the shade provided by the solar
> units.

People could live in the shade created.

> I would own the land.

Tell us when you've bought it and we'll see how it goes.


           RM


'[TECH] back to the farm was : Printed solar pane'
2008\08\17@183632 by Dario Greggio
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Cedric Chang wrote:
Sort of like owning a alt-energy oil well.  Lots of
> owners of the modular units.  I would own the land.

This is nice.
But oil owner/producers will kill you :-(

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Ciao, Dario

2008\08\18@045012 by Tony Smith

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> Cedric Chang wrote:
> Sort of like owning a alt-energy oil well.  Lots of
> > owners of the modular units.  I would own the land.
>
> This is nice.
> But oil owner/producers will kill you :-(
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> Ciao, Dario


Ah, if only you could be so lucky.

I occasionally work for a venture capitalist, and they get a couple of these
"I'm gunna buy some cheap land and slap some solar/wind/whatever powered
things on it" plans each month.  Quite popular, apparently.

They all get rejected, but not for any reason you might suspect.

Grab a map, and chuck a dart at your "cheap land".  There's plenty of it,
it's called "desert".  Come to Oz, we've got heaps!  Anyhoo, draw a line
between your plant and the nearest spot on the grid.  First problem, it's
probably a long line = not cheap.

The real killer is who owns the land that line goes across, and what's on
it.  No-one wants a power transmission line on their land.  The odd grazier
(rancher) might not mind as it doesn't bother the sheep too much, but
everyone else will tell you to sod off.  Well, the guvmint can force it, but
that's hardly fair now, is it?

Let me know when you start pouring the foundations for the towers.

This would fit well into the "talk is cheap" thread.

Tony

2008\08\21@043718 by Dario Greggio

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Tony Smith wrote:

> They all get rejected, but not for any reason you might suspect.
>
> Grab a map, and chuck a dart at your "cheap land".  There's plenty of it,
> it's called "desert".  Come to Oz, we've got heaps!  Anyhoo, draw a line
> between your plant and the nearest spot on the grid.  First problem, it's
> probably a long line = not cheap.  [...]

Hmmm, I guess I get it, Tony... sadly :)

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2008\08\21@101456 by Tony Smith

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> > They all get rejected, but not for any reason you might suspect.
> >
> > Grab a map, and chuck a dart at your "cheap land".  There's
> plenty of
> > it, it's called "desert".  Come to Oz, we've got heaps!  
> Anyhoo, draw
> > a line between your plant and the nearest spot on the grid.  First
> > problem, it's probably a long line = not cheap.  [...]
>
> Hmmm, I guess I get it, Tony... sadly :)
>
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> Ciao, Dario


Yup.  Apparently the conversion goes:

Them: "I wanna build a solar farm."
 VC: "Ok, how many transmission towers and how much for each?"
Them: "er, what?"
 VC: "Next!"

It really is a killer.  Unlike talk, a single tower wouldn't be cheap, and
you need how many per kilometer?  Got the leases from the farmers yet?

It's worse in Oz than in the USA - both places are about the same size, but
we simply don't have the infrastructure.  The grid is only in a very small
area, the southeast bit mainly.

The alternative is a small plant to service a small town, which will still
need grid power as solar/wind/etc can't provide baseload power.  Unless
you're cheaper than the grid by a long way, you're still out of luck.

Now hot rocks on the other hand...

www.smh.com.au/news/environment/hot-rock-power-the-way-ahead/2007/04/
11/1175971183212.html
http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/2008/08/19/1218911717520.html

Tony

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