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'[TECH] NETTOP, BLUETOOTH MISSING??'
2010\06\29@201815 by Carl Denk

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I just got a Nettop computer, a Gateway LT2114U, that is supposed to
have Bluetooth ability. I have not been able to get the Bluetooth to
respond. Opening the back, next to the HDD, I find a Atheros AR5B93 card
with a black and white antenna wires and a card edge connector. Is this
card Bluetooth capable??  Next to this card, there is a space 1.1" x
1.9" with a card edge socket that is empty. Is this space where the
Bluetooth adapter should be??

This is an XP home OS, there is a Bluetooth icon , even with the Atheros
card unplugged. Control Panel > Bluetooth click results in Bluetooth not
found.

Any other suggestions welcome.

If the Bluetooth  is missing, suggestions? Rather than fiddle with
sending the computer back and then have to spend the time setting up,
might consider buying the card if they aren't too expensive. What card
is recommended.

2010\06\30@005109 by Sarin Sukumar A

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YOurs SaRIn....


On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Carl Denk <spam_OUTcdenkTakeThisOuTspamwindstream.net> wrote:

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There will be a bluetooth  button some where on the computer, u have to
switch it on.
u can search in internet by specifying the model to find out the location of
the button

>
> If the Bluetooth  is missing, suggestions? Rather than fiddle with
> sending the computer back and then have to spend the time setting up,
> might consider buying the card if they aren't too expensive. What card
> is recommended.
> -

2010\06\30@032947 by Dario Greggio

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Sarin Sukumar A ha scritto:
>> This is an XP home OS, there is a Bluetooth icon , even with the Atheros
>> card unplugged. Control Panel > Bluetooth click results in Bluetooth not
>> found.
>>
>> Any other suggestions welcome.
>>
> There will be a bluetooth  button some where on the computer, u have to
> switch it on.
> u can search in internet by specifying the model to find out the location of
> the button


Hmmm, in many cheap Acer notebooks, you have icons and buttons for both
WiFi and bluetooth, but very often only yhe WiFi module exists (and I
actually don't mind.. :)

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2010\06\30@042103 by Alan B Pearce

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Yeah, if it is anything like my Dell, there is one switch which does both the wifi and Bluetooth.

Make sure that there is no option in the BIOS to turn the BT on.

Or it may be like my Dell, I had to go to their website and download the driver, because it didn't get installed in the base install, but from the sound of it, it would seem that the necessary hardware is missing. Check eBay for 'Acer Bluetooth module' and include your model of Acer. I did this for an early Dell I have that came without the hardware, and got a module for GBP£15 or less IIRC. The sellers also often show where the module fits, so looking at those instructions will probably confirm your suspicions.
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2010\06\30@043748 by RussellMc

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If hardware was missing here I'd hope that an instant fix or a swap,
with return of original by return would be achievable. Does that work
in the US where a product fails to meet as advertised spec?
For places that only offer a 'remote presence' this may not be viable.
I'd avoid buying a Dell in the first place BUT I am aware that they
have many happy customers. I have competent friends who buy ONLY Dell
desktops due to their good experiences.

My now 10 months old HP netbook produced hdd failing errors about 3
months from new and had a new HDD fitted - and a new keyboard at the
same time as some keys were a bit 'iffy'.
The left control key is now again very iffy at 10 months from new, so
I guess I have 2 months to get another new one. I'd have expected HP
to do slightly better than that, even in their current incarnation.


Russell

2010\06\30@064317 by Olin Lathrop

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Carl Denk wrote:
> I just got a Nettop computer, a Gateway LT2114U, that is supposed to
> have Bluetooth ability. I have not been able to get the Bluetooth to
> respond. Opening the back, next to the HDD, I find a Atheros AR5B93
> card with a black and white antenna wires and a card edge connector.
> Is this card Bluetooth capable??  Next to this card, there is a space
> 1.1" x
> 1.9" with a card edge socket that is empty. Is this space where the
> Bluetooth adapter should be??

Seems like the obvious thing to do is to ask Gateway.


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2010\06\30@070553 by Olin Lathrop

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RussellMc wrote:
> I'd have expected HP
> to do slightly better than that, even in their current incarnation.

I wouldn't.  I used to work for (the real) HP back in the early 1980s.
Quality and extra robustness really were important considerations thru the
whole process from design to manufacturing.  After the split up of HP,
things went down hill rapidly.  Their printers and other consumer computer
gear have been crap for a while now.  I used to have a HP printer that I got
in the mid 1990s.  Due to bad experiences with it, I won't get another HP
anything at this point.  When I couldn't use the HP printer anymore, I
specifically looked for one that wasn't HP.  No thanks.

Anyone that thinks "HP" still has some meaning is years out of date.


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2010\06\30@072504 by Alan B Pearce

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> RussellMc wrote:
> > I'd have expected HP
> > to do slightly better than that, even in their current incarnation.
>
> I wouldn't.  I used to work for (the real) HP back in the early 1980s.
> Quality and extra robustness really were important considerations thru
the
> whole process from design to manufacturing.  After the split up of HP,
> things went down hill rapidly.  Their printers and other consumer
computer
> gear have been crap for a while now.  I used to have a HP printer that
I got
> in the mid 1990s.  Due to bad experiences with it, I won't get another
HP
> anything at this point.  When I couldn't use the HP printer anymore, I
> specifically looked for one that wasn't HP.  No thanks.
>
> Anyone that thinks "HP" still has some meaning is years out of date.

I would have to agree with this. Their printer support for Windows 7 is
absolutely abysmal. We have a whole heap of HP 5000 series printers
around our campus, and the only printer driver available under win7 is a
generic one which is a pain to use. To change paper size when doing some
jobs is an absolute pain.
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2010\06\30@091404 by Carl Denk

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Thanks everyone for the replies, I'm slightly red faced. The nettop has
a red "fn" key and then the "F3" turns on the Blue tooth. The Gateway
guides are not very user friendly, it's fine print! I am past the
discovery (except it doesn't find my cell phone), and into the pairing area.

What are my options for thatempty card slot. Is that a mini PCI slot or
some other very standard?

On 6/30/2010 6:43 AM, Olin Lathrop wrote:
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2010\06\30@093939 by RussellMc

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> > > I'd have expected HP
> > > to do slightly better than that, even in their current incarnation.

> > I wouldn't.
> > ... Their printers and other consumer computer gear have been crap for a while now.

> > Anyone that thinks "HP" still has some meaning is years out of date.

> I would have to agree with this. ...

Parsing the original may provide more information than has apparently
been elicited to date.

HP episode IV-VI versions are masters of making money and cost minimisation.

1. Whether you like their products is material to them only inasmuch
as it affects their bottom line. If you put too many people off by
your dissatisfaction it costs them money so they care enough to try to
stop it happening too much.
2. Replacements under warranty cost them $. SOME replacements will
still result when the process is optimised for max $. . Replacements
twice under warranty probably mean they have the optimisation wrong.

SO.

I'd have expected HP needing  to replace  an HDD and a keyboard at 3
months to be a statistical happenstance. BUT I'd expect another
keyboard failure 7 months after the replacement, so both are still
covered by warranty, to indicate that they have not fine tuned the
quality properly to optimise profit.
I'd expect even HP in their episode 4-6 versions to get it righter than that.

And, fwiw, IMHO, the HP netbooks are near the top of the heap in what
you get for what you pay. I bought an HP because it gave me best
results and best value for money. Few others here were offering XP
Pro, higher screen resolution (about 1366 x 768). Add 250 MB HDD, 2 GB
RAM, and all the usual and I was happy with it at about $US750? 10
months ago. Apart from keyboards and HDD it's been fine :-). [My last
HP printer was the superb class leading G85, but I will almost
certainly never buy another HP printer this liftetime].


         Russell

2010\06\30@095245 by Herbert Graf

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On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 20:17 -0400, Carl Denk wrote:
> I just got a Nettop computer, a Gateway LT2114U, that is supposed to
> have Bluetooth ability. I have not been able to get the Bluetooth to
> respond. Opening the back, next to the HDD, I find a Atheros AR5B93 card
> with a black and white antenna wires and a card edge connector. Is this
> card Bluetooth capable??  Next to this card, there is a space 1.1" x
> 1.9" with a card edge socket that is empty. Is this space where the
> Bluetooth adapter should be??
>
> This is an XP home OS, there is a Bluetooth icon , even with the Atheros
> card unplugged. Control Panel > Bluetooth click results in Bluetooth not
> found.
>
> Any other suggestions welcome.
>
> If the Bluetooth  is missing, suggestions? Rather than fiddle with
> sending the computer back and then have to spend the time setting up,
> might consider buying the card if they aren't too expensive. What card
> is recommended.

Buy a USB Bluetooth dongle, regularly on sale for about $6 where I am.

TTYL

2010\06\30@111031 by Alex Harford

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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Carl Denk <.....cdenkKILLspamspam.....windstream.net> wrote:
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> What are my options for thatempty card slot. Is that a mini PCI slot or
> some other very standard?

My guess would be pci express mini card:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MiniPCI_and_MiniPCI_Express_cards.jpg

2010\06\30@131452 by Picbits Sales

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If its any consolation Carl, I spent two hours stripping down my brand new
(well refurb but as new) Dell when I had it delivered trying to work out why
the wireless and bluetooth didn't work.

Having verified that there was a wireless module physically present,
reinstalled Win XP, Vista and Ubuntu and had no joy on any of them I found
the wireless on/off switch on the left side of the casing very very hard to
see unless you're looking hard as it looks like the eject button for the
carbus slot ......

Hey ho ...
Dom

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2010\06\30@144020 by Alan B Pearce

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> Buy a USB Bluetooth dongle, regularly on sale for about $6 where I am.

In my experience the only driver that seems to come with these is
supplied by Bluesoliel, and on 2 out of 2 uses of this it screws up the
text to speech system that windows has.
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2010\06\30@155217 by Carl Denk

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Yea, that's what it looks like would fit there, mini PCI Express. So far
have found serial/parallel adapter, wireless and solid state discs that
would fit. Was thinking a cell phone data card.

For years I have gradually upgraded my computers, but here, really can't
import the whole thing from another computer. It's been (not to the
final destination yet) trip setting things up, and getting used to both
a touch pad (have a mouse plugged in too) and a condensed keyboard (the
key sizes are good) with that "f" key that gives lots of things a
displaced function. And the indicator lights are so small, in particular
the caps lock is little. :~)

On 6/30/2010 11:10 AM, Alex Harford wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Carl Denk<EraseMEcdenkspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTwindstream.net>  wrote:
>    
>> What are my options for thatempty card slot. Is that a mini PCI slot or
>> some other very standard?
>>      
> My guess would be pci express mini card:
>
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MiniPCI_and_MiniPCI_Express_cards.jpg
>    

2010\06\30@165752 by Herbert Graf

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On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 16:57 +0100, alan.b.pearcespamspam_OUTstfc.ac.uk wrote:
> > Buy a USB Bluetooth dongle, regularly on sale for about $6 where I am.
>
> In my experience the only driver that seems to come with these is
> supplied by Bluesoliel, and on 2 out of 2 uses of this it screws up the
> text to speech system that windows has.

Wow, thought windows had drivers built in, on Linux I just plug it in
and it works, go figure...

TTYL


'[TECH] NETTOP, BLUETOOTH MISSING??'
2010\07\06@162556 by Vitaliy
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Carl Denk wrote:
>I just got a Nettop computer, a Gateway LT2114U, that is supposed to
> have Bluetooth ability. I have not been able to get the Bluetooth to
> respond. Opening the back, next to the HDD, I find a Atheros AR5B93 card
> with a black and white antenna wires and a card edge connector. Is this
> card Bluetooth capable??  Next to this card, there is a space 1.1" x
> 1.9" with a card edge socket that is empty. Is this space where the
> Bluetooth adapter should be??
>
> This is an XP home OS, there is a Bluetooth icon , even with the Atheros
> card unplugged. Control Panel > Bluetooth click results in Bluetooth not
> found.
>
> Any other suggestions welcome.
>
> If the Bluetooth  is missing, suggestions? Rather than fiddle with
> sending the computer back and then have to spend the time setting up,
> might consider buying the card if they aren't too expensive. What card
> is recommended.

We use USB to Bluetooth dongles, you can get the really short ones that you
can leave permanently plugged in.

Vitaliy

2010\07\06@164317 by Vitaliy

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Herbert Graf wrote:
>> > Buy a USB Bluetooth dongle, regularly on sale for about $6 where I am.
>>
>> In my experience the only driver that seems to come with these is
>> supplied by Bluesoliel, and on 2 out of 2 uses of this it screws up the
>> text to speech system that windows has.
>
> Wow, thought windows had drivers built in, on Linux I just plug it in
> and it works, go figure...

It depends on the chipset. CSR is supported natively by Windows.

Vitaliy

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