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2008\11\16@220221 by Josh Koffman

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I'll be embarking on a long drive in about a month and a half and I'm
considering making a time lapse video of it. I've found a program that
will automatically trigger the camera on one of my PDAs at a set
interval. I tried it out on my drive to work and it seemed ok. Now I
need to stitch the images together into a video file. Apparently you
can use Windows Movie Maker for this, but on the one computer I
managed to wrestle it on to the darn thing crashes if I add more than
6 images to the timeline. In addition, I need to add them all
manually. I'm estimating around 8700 pictures will be needed to
document this trip so something a bit more automated would be nice.

So...does anyone know of any software (preferably low cost or free)
that will take a bunch of jpgs and stitch them together into an AVI or
something? Ideally it would also let me set the time each one appears,
etc.

Thanks!

Josh
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2008\11\16@221929 by Bob Blick

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Under Linux, just type

convert -delay 25 *.jpg moviename.mpg

It uses the ImageMagick libs.

The images will change every .25 second using the delay option shown(it
inserts extra frames for the delay, but pretty much without penalty
since the output is an MPEG).

Cheerful regards,

Bob


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2008\11\16@232940 by Peter Todd

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Speaking of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-unBigvoY

Of course, maybe that's where you got the idea. :)

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2008\11\16@233843 by Joshua Shriver

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hehe   :) but seriously

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Peter Todd <spam_OUTpeteTakeThisOuTspampetertodd.org> wrote:

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2008\11\17@004354 by Josh Koffman

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On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Peter Todd <.....peteKILLspamspam@spam@petertodd.org> wrote:
> Speaking of:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-unBigvoY
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> Of course, maybe that's where you got the idea. :)

Ironically I did see that video, but not until after I started
searching around for time lapse programs!

Bob, thanks for the Linux tip. I don't have a working Linux computer
at the moment though. Anyone have a WinXP equivalent?

Thanks!

Josh
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2008\11\17@005355 by Bob Blick

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Josh Koffman wrote:

> Bob, thanks for the Linux tip. I don't have a working Linux computer
> at the moment though. Anyone have a WinXP equivalent?

Hi Josh,

I just checked, there are Windows binaries for Imagemagick on their website:

http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php

I don't know if it is any different, but convert is a core feature so it
should work the same.

Cheers,

Bob

2008\11\17@065746 by Byron Jeff

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On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:42:56AM -0500, Josh Koffman wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Peter Todd <petespamKILLspampetertodd.org> wrote:
> > Speaking of:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-unBigvoY
> >
> > Of course, maybe that's where you got the idea. :)
>
> Ironically I did see that video, but not until after I started
> searching around for time lapse programs!
>
> Bob, thanks for the Linux tip. I don't have a working Linux computer
> at the moment though. Anyone have a WinXP equivalent?

It's pretty trivial to get a temporary Linux box up using a Live-CD such as
Kubuntu for example.

The underlaying OS may be an issue in terms of crashing. So this route is
something to consider if ImageMagick has issues under Windows.

BAJ

2008\11\17@112050 by plpeter

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Under Linux, just type

convert -delay 25 *.jpg moviename.mpg

It uses the ImageMagick libs.

That won't work as shown with 8000+ pictures. You need to do something more
elaborate, namely an xargs script. One thing at a time, first get the
pictures.

There is also mpeg generating software for linux that accepts a stream of
pictures as input, but I do not know what it is called right now.

Peter

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2008\11\17@112659 by plpeter

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Try this:

http://cpbotha.net/software/im2avi/

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2008\11\18@013354 by Josh Koffman

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On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:26 AM, plpeter <.....plpeter2006KILLspamspam.....yahoo.com> wrote:
> Try this:
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> http://cpbotha.net/software/im2avi/

Hi all. Ok, thanks for the tips. I will keep investigating. I've got a
smaller group of pictures (about 85) from my drive in to work that I
will play with before trying the monster 8500 pics version.

In the meantime if anyone has any further ideas, you know where to find me!

Josh
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2008\11\18@050659 by apptech

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Heath Robinson solution (that would work ):

Irfanview, and no doubt other similar programs, can make either an exe
slideshow or screen saver, or a true VCD of jpg files. The exe form is not
of course a standard  video format but works well. Images at 50 kB are
probably reasonable for that sort of application so 8500 would fit on a CD.
Essentially full resolution jpg from most cameras will fit in < 2 MB. so a
full res display would be rather too large for a DVD. 4GB/8500 ~=
400kB/image which would give extremely good results.


R



> Hi all. Ok, thanks for the tips. I will keep investigating. I've got a
> smaller group of pictures (about 85) from my drive in to work that I
> will play with before trying the monster 8500 pics version.
>
> In the meantime if anyone has any further ideas, you know where to find
> me!

2008\11\18@211634 by Josh Koffman

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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:47 AM, apptech <EraseMEapptechspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> Heath Robinson solution (that would work ):
>
> Irfanview, and no doubt other similar programs, can make either an exe
> slideshow or screen saver, or a true VCD of jpg files. The exe form is not
> of course a standard  video format but works well. Images at 50 kB are
> probably reasonable for that sort of application so 8500 would fit on a CD.
> Essentially full resolution jpg from most cameras will fit in < 2 MB. so a
> full res display would be rather too large for a DVD. 4GB/8500 ~=
> 400kB/image which would give extremely good results.

I actually tried the Irfanview slideshow and it sort of worked for my
trip to work. I think it falls down when you try to flip images too
quickly as it seems to be loading each one as it needs it. I was using
a time of 0.125s per image.

I will probably take the images at 1600x1200 and they will end up at a
size of between 300-500K each. An 8GB flash card should be good. I
figure it's easier to downsize them later than it is to do the drive
again to take more pics!

I will keep looking...there was one I found called Movie Salsa (or
something like that) but I haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Thanks!

Josh
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2008\11\19@005054 by apptech

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>> Irfanview, and no doubt other similar programs, can make either an exe
>> slideshow or screen saver, or a true VCD of jpg files.

> I actually tried the Irfanview slideshow and it sort of worked for my
> trip to work. I think it falls down when you try to flip images too
> quickly as it seems to be loading each one as it needs it. I was using
> a time of 0.125s per image.

> I will probably take the images at 1600x1200 and they will end up at a
> size of between 300-500K each. An 8GB flash card should be good. I
> figure it's easier to downsize them later than it is to do the drive
> again to take more pics!

I'd suggest that you are over-specifiying what you want.
If Irfanview can't keep up with images but another program can then
file_size/load_rate for Irfanview is higher. It MAY be that the other
program is loading data faster but highly like;ly that a tru 'movie'
oriented program is presenting lower resolution images. Using Irfanview with
6 MP imaged from a DSLR for file sizes in the 1MB to 4MB range with < 2MB
typical I get about 10:1 compression on the largest file at JPG 85 and 1600
x 1064 resolution. (ie 1600 x preserve_aspect-ratio). JPG 85 is better than
almost any eyes and brains want at videoish speeds - even at 8 frames /
second. Increasing the JPG compression even slightly more gives substantial
improvements.

So, I suggest that 8 frames / second is a challenge for Irfanview BUT that a
lower file size wouldstill give a superb result. An new feature of Irfanview
which I had not tried until I wrote this email is to compress to a prechosen
file size - eg 100 kB (using the RIOT plugin). You can eg (in my case) save
a 3000 x 2000 x 2.3MB image as a 2\3000 x 2000 x 100 kB RIOT compressed
image OR change the image to 1600 x 1064  version (which is saved at JPG 85
= 225 kB image) and THEN transform it to a 1600 x 1064 x 100 kB RIOT image.
To my somewhat surprise the 3000 x 2000 x 100 kB RIOT image appears higher
quality thatn the 1600 x 1064 x 100 kB RIOT image.

This is obviously something I need to do some catching up on!. This way, if
yiu have eg a DVD and N images you can size the files tpo just fit. This
does have the unfortunate effect of compressing the densest detail photos
most and the least dense least. . An alternative would be trial percentage
resizing, but that is less satisfactory for other reasons.



 Russell





2008\11\19@011114 by Josh Koffman

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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:50 PM, apptech <apptechspamspam_OUTparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> I'd suggest that you are over-specifiying what you want.
> If Irfanview can't keep up with images but another program can then
> file_size/load_rate for Irfanview is higher. It MAY be that the other
> program is loading data faster but highly like;ly that a tru 'movie'
> oriented program is presenting lower resolution images. Using Irfanview with
> 6 MP imaged from a DSLR for file sizes in the 1MB to 4MB range with < 2MB
> typical I get about 10:1 compression on the largest file at JPG 85 and 1600
> x 1064 resolution. (ie 1600 x preserve_aspect-ratio). JPG 85 is better than
> almost any eyes and brains want at videoish speeds - even at 8 frames /
> second. Increasing the JPG compression even slightly more gives substantial
> improvements.

I think what I will try is turning down the quality and capturing on
my drive again today. This should result in smaller files and is
probably the quickest way to test to see if I just have files that are
too large.

I am most annoyed at Windows Movie maker...there doesn't seem to be
much information about why it might be crashing in this manner. In
addition, I'm not even sure if I've got the latest version. It is the
only one I could find to download, but I believe it is 2.0, not 2.1.
Microsoft doesn't seem to distribute it as a standalone installer,
they want you to get it through Windows Update. I'd happily do
that...if there was some way to convince any of my machines that they
are missing it! "Go to Windowsupdate" is not showing anything relating
to WMM.

More info soon I guess!

Josh
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