Post by thread:[TECH] Leaning ring tower in Taiwan ( concept )

> http://www.gizmag.com/circular-tower-concept-taichung-city/20229/picture/145433/ A pointless building. Literally ;-). Looks like fun. Spin for gravity, walk om outer :-). Ringworld engineers. Scrith would be handy. I've visited Taichung twice. FWIW. Russel

On 10/22/2011 8:43 AM, RussellMc wrote: >> www.gizmag.com/circular-tower-concept-taichung-city/20229/picture/145433/ > A pointless building. Literally ;-). > > Looks like fun. > Spin for gravity, walk om outer :-). > Ringworld engineers. > Scrith would be handy. > > I've visited Taichung twice. FWIW. > > > Russell I think it's really a Stargate. Joe W

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:28 PM, YES NOPE9 <spam_OUTyesTakeThisOuTnope9.com> wrote: > http://www.gizmag.com/circular-tower-concept-taichung-city/20229/picture/145433/ Trade descriptions act - that's not a tower. Chri

> >> http://www.gizmag.com/circular-tower-concept-taichung-city/20229/picture/145433/ > Could you fly a plane through it? Could - yes. Allowed to - no. Somebody would? - if they ever built it, yes. Russel

> > >> www.gizmag.com/circular-tower-concept-taichung-city/20229/pi > > >> cture/145433/ > > > Could you fly a plane through it? > > Could - yes. > Allowed to - no. > Somebody would? - if they ever built it, yes. > > > > Russell Oh, you mean shades of Fredd Ladd and the Auckland harbour Bridge ... http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/end-of-tolls-on-auckland-harbour-bridge History of Fredd Ladd here, with picture of his Grumman Widgeon ... http://www.weloveseaplanes.com/heroes--fred-ladd.html Part of his defence in the court case was that he had been flying flying boats off that stretch of water for years, and now some clown had built a bridge across his runway ... exactly the sort of humour that matched his other witticisms listed in the second link. Later on he did taxi a seaplane under the bridge before doing the takeoff run. -- Scanned by iCritical.

Where does the other end open to ? Is the destination programmable or hardcoded ? If so, does it support ICSP ? (: On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Joe Wronski <.....jwronskiKILLspam@spam@stillwatereng.net> wrote: > I think it's really a Stargate. > Joe

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:23 AM, <alan.b.pearceKILLspamstfc.ac.uk> wrote: > Oh, you mean shades of Fredd Ladd and the Auckland harbour Bridge ... Or Charles Godefroy and the Arc de Triomphe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIZzkq5Y8q0 -p

> > Oh, you mean shades of Fredd Ladd and the Auckland harbour Bridge ... > > Or Charles Godefroy and the Arc de Triomphe... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIZzkq5Y8q0 Now you've done it. Interesting takeoff. Ilyushin IL76 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?hl=en&tab=wm#all/13327bf8a06333cc Very competent (what would I know) 747 crosswind landing http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TlVEl89CUAQ None of your "worst air crashes" etc of which there are a few zillion on ewe-tube. Just two video of guys spending a day in the office.

> Now you've done it. ;))))) > Interesting takeoff. > Ilyushin IL76 > > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?hl=en&tab=wm#all/13327bf8a06333cc Insists I sign up for Gmail, no thank you. > > Very competent (what would I know) 747 crosswind landing > > www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TlVEl89CUAQ > One of the first flights I ever did involved a landing just like that, at Wellington Airport (NZ), in a Fokker Friendship. I remember being seated fairly well down the plane, and approaching the runway from the south, looking out the window at the runway getting closer until the last moment when the pilot straightened up just like in that video. -- Scanned by iCritical.

On 11/11/2011 4:05 AM, .....alan.b.pearceKILLspam.....stfc.ac.uk wrote: >> Now you've done it. When I was a kid there was a story telling radio program called "Can You Top This". In that spirit, I suggest this story is the winner. http://www.b-47.com/stories/lappo/lappo.html -- John Ferrell W8CCW "The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it."

> On 11/11/2011 4:05 AM, EraseMEalan.b.pearcespam_OUTTakeThisOuTstfc.ac.uk wrote: >>> Now you've done it. > When I was a kid there was a story telling radio program called "Can You > Top This". > In that spirit, I suggest this story is the winner. > http://www.b-47.com/stories/lappo/lappo.html A bit flowery and long winded (and that's Russell saying that :-) ) BUT a good story. I can't immediately think of one to top that, but ... __________ - As noted a few posts back, Captain Fred Ladd flew a Grumman Wigeon (AFAIR) under the Auckland Harbour Bridge and got the usual treatment. Not as exciting as Lappos' RB-47E underflight but probably more dangerous (and then not very dangerous). __________ This minor story is true but nobody would ever confirm it. It has no 'point' per s, but my camera would have liked to be there: My brother in law used to own a farm which was about 1 square mile and long and thin. It started on a road ridge, ran down a gentle slope to a flat plain and then rose to a hill line at the far end. The farmhouse was on the road ridge with a nice view down the farm. The RNZAF operates Orion aircraft for maritime patrol and notional antisubmarine response. Our crews have on occasion won against international competition in antisubmarine events so they know their atuff - and anyone with years in an Orion knows where the extremes of his craft are as well as a cat knows where it's whiskertips and paws are. My brother in law's children had a school friend home to stay for the weekend. Said friends dad was in the RNZAF. He was a navigator. In an Orion. That weekend dad and friends came visiting. The Orion popped over the hills at the far end of the farm, dropped to about fence level and proceeded towards the farmhouse. Maybe he overflew first to get their attention. Some time ago so memory dims, but i recall that they saw him coming. Up the farm up the farm up the farm - wheeee.... .. Not quite wheel marks on the roof but that was because the wheels were up. Bye dad ... . _____________ This is also true: Our capital city of wellington is known for its wind and its steep hills and its not so nice to approach airport which at one stage got nasty ratings from international pilots due as much to poor support services as the actual airport, Sensible behaviour and good navigation and all is well. Even at night in fog. As long as the navigation beacons behave. Story had it that there was a complex echo situation and that in some conditions the beacon system would misreport an aircraft's position. Pilot's complained. Investigations happened without finding any problems. Nothing changed. Back then a DC8 was a respectable aircraft and Air NZ had a modest fleet of them. In Newmarket in Auckland there was a PCB shop named Circuit Graphics. Good prices, good services, good response time. Hobbyist friendly. Probably not the most leading edge facilities From memory, back then they did not do PTH, but, back then many people didn't. Proprietor Don was friendly, helpful, cheerful. Nice guy. 1975. Standard dark and stormy night as I recall. DC8 inbound from Fiji on final over hilly hillside suburb of Newlands. Nearby the Newlands beacon decided this was the night for a spurious echo. Yee ha. Residents reported a DC8 appearing out of the clouds and flying down the valley below rooftop level in some cases. Probably made buzzing a farm feel tame. Go around power please. Pilot managed to respond fast enough and well enough to save the day. Only only only just from various accounts. Usual inquiry. Pilot suspended. Vilified. Found responsible and cashiered. Loud yelling by all and yon. Investigation. Beacon problems identified and remedied. Pilot exonerated. By then he'd moved on. Never came back to the company. Compensation payout etc. National hero of sorts. He bought a small PCB company in Newmarket. Nice guy. I never knew that he was the man concerned till years after he'd sold the business and moved on to other things. Last I knew he was running a graphic arts business in Helensville. Russel

On 11/11/2011 1:28 PM, RussellMc wrote: >> On 11/11/2011 4:05 AM, alan.b.pearcespam_OUTstfc.ac.uk wrote: >>>> Now you've done it. >> When I was a kid there was a story telling radio program called "Can You >> Top This". >> In that spirit, I suggest this story is the winner. >> http://www.b-47.com/stories/lappo/lappo.html > A bit flowery and long winded (and that's Russell saying that :-) ) > BUT a good story. > > I can't immediately think of one to top that, but ... > > > Not as exciting as Lappos' RB-47E underflight but probably more > dangerous (and then not very dangerous). > > Men of the Colonel's nature rarely take chances. He would not have tried it if he had not known it to be well within the performance envelope of his resources. I understand both sides of the resulting reactions, but the Colonel had a few moments for his decision, and the detractor's had all the time in the world. The penalty was, IMHO, excessive. -- John Ferrell W8CCW "The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it."

On 12 November 2011 07:28, RussellMc <@spam@apptechnzKILLspamgmail.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}>> On 11/11/2011 4:05 AM, KILLspamalan.b.pearceKILLspamstfc.ac.uk wrote: >>>> Now you've done it. >> When I was a kid there was a story telling radio program called "Can You >> Top This". >> In that spirit, I suggest this story is the winner. >> http://www.b-47.com/stories/lappo/lappo.html > > A bit flowery and long winded (and that's Russell saying that :-) ) > BUT a good story. > > I can't immediately think of one to top that, but ... > > __________ > > - As noted a few posts back, Captain Fred Ladd flew a Grumman Wigeon > (AFAIR) under the Auckland Harbour Bridge and got the usual treatment. > Not as exciting as Lappos' RB-47E underflight but probably more > dangerous (and then not very dangerous). > > __________ > > This minor story is true but nobody would ever confirm it. It has no > 'point' per s, but my camera would have liked to be there: > > My brother in law used to own a farm which was about 1 square mile > and long and thin. It started on a road ridge, ran down a gentle slope > to a flat plain and then rose to a hill line at the far end. The > farmhouse was on the road ridge with a nice view down the farm. The > RNZAF operates Orion aircraft for maritime patrol and notional > antisubmarine response. Our crews have on occasion won against > international competition in antisubmarine events so they know their > atuff - and anyone with years in an Orion knows where the extremes of > his craft are as well as a cat knows where it's whiskertips and paws > are. > > My brother in law's children had a school friend home to stay for the > weekend. Said friends dad was in the RNZAF. He was a navigator. In an > Orion. That weekend dad and friends came visiting. The Orion popped > over the hills at the far end of the farm, dropped to about fence > level and proceeded towards the farmhouse. Maybe he overflew first to > get their attention. Some time ago so memory dims, but i recall that > they saw him coming. Up the farm up the farm up the farm - wheeee.... > . Not quite wheel marks on the roof but that was because the wheels > were up. Bye dad ... . > > _____________ > > This is also true: > > Our capital city of wellington is known for its wind and its steep > hills and its not so nice to approach airport which at one stage got > nasty ratings from international pilots due as much to poor support > services as the actual airport, Sensible behaviour and good navigation > and all is well. Even at night in fog. As long as the navigation > beacons behave. Story had it that there was a complex echo situation > and that in some conditions the beacon system would misreport an > aircraft's position. Pilot's complained. Investigations happened > without finding any problems. Nothing changed. Back then a DC8 was a > respectable aircraft and Air NZ had a modest fleet of them. > > In Newmarket in Auckland there was a PCB shop named Circuit Graphics. > Good prices, good services, good response time. Hobbyist friendly. > Probably not the most leading edge facilities From memory, back then > they did not do PTH, but, back then many people didn't. Proprietor Don > was friendly, helpful, cheerful. Nice guy. > > 1975. Standard dark and stormy night as I recall. DC8 inbound from > Fiji on final over hilly hillside suburb of Newlands. Nearby the > Newlands beacon decided this was the night for a spurious echo. Yee > ha. Residents reported a DC8 appearing out of the clouds and flying > down the valley below rooftop level in some cases. Probably made > buzzing a farm feel tame. Go around power please. Pilot managed to > respond fast enough and well enough to save the day. Only only only > just from various accounts. Usual inquiry. Pilot suspended. Vilified. > Found responsible and cashiered. Loud yelling by all and yon. > Investigation. Beacon problems identified and remedied. Pilot > exonerated. By then he'd moved on. Never came back to the company. > Compensation payout etc. National hero of sorts. He bought a small > PCB company in Newmarket. Nice guy. I never knew that he was the man > concerned till years after he'd sold the business and moved on to > other things. Last I knew he was running a graphic arts business in > Helensville. > > > Russell > -- I believe Wellington is one of the safest airports around - because you can guarantee that both pilot and copilot are fully awake and paying attention to what's going on! RP

As a child I (arguably perversely) look at pictures oh the then Hong Kong "Kai Tak" airport and hoped that one day I'd get to fly into it as a passenger. The incredible "strip at the bottom of a basin feeling " looked attractive. I'm now pleased to say that long before I ever got to HK they had retired their inner city marvel / abomination and opened their new vast and only slightly distant replacement (25 minutes by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast train,) You can still see the old one on eg Google maps and marvel at their sheer chutzpah at pretending you could really use it for international flights. Kai Tak - close to town - very. http://wikimapia.org/#lat=22.3164928&lon=114.2047691&z=15&l=0&m=b&search=hong%20kong Boring new CLK airport. Very nice. http://wikimapia.org/#lat=22.3054555&lon=113.917923&z=15&l=0&m=b&search=hong%20kong R On 12 November 2011 19:33, Richard Prosser <RemoveMErhprosserTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> On 12 November 2011 07:28, RussellMc <spamBeGoneapptechnzspamBeGonegmail.com> wrote: >>> On 11/11/2011 4:05 AM, TakeThisOuTalan.b.pearceEraseMEspam_OUTstfc.ac.uk wrote: >>>>> Now you've done it. >>> When I was a kid there was a story telling radio program called "Can You >>> Top This". >>> In that spirit, I suggest this story is the winner. >>> http://www.b-47.com/stories/lappo/lappo.html >> >> A bit flowery and long winded (and that's Russell saying that :-) ) >> BUT a good story. >> >> I can't immediately think of one to top that, but ... >> >> __________ >> >> - As noted a few posts back, Captain Fred Ladd flew a Grumman Wigeon >> (AFAIR) under the Auckland Harbour Bridge and got the usual treatment. >> Not as exciting as Lappos' RB-47E underflight but probably more >> dangerous (and then not very dangerous). >> >> __________ >> >> This minor story is true but nobody would ever confirm it. It has no >> 'point' per s, but my camera would have liked to be there: >> >> My brother in law used to own a farm which was about 1 square mile >> and long and thin. It started on a road ridge, ran down a gentle slope >> to a flat plain and then rose to a hill line at the far end. The >> farmhouse was on the road ridge with a nice view down the farm. The >> RNZAF operates Orion aircraft for maritime patrol and notional >> antisubmarine response. Our crews have on occasion won against >> international competition in antisubmarine events so they know their >> atuff - and anyone with years in an Orion knows where the extremes of >> his craft are as well as a cat knows where it's whiskertips and paws >> are. >> >> My brother in law's children had a school friend home to stay for the >> weekend. Said friends dad was in the RNZAF. He was a navigator. In an >> Orion. That weekend dad and friends came visiting. The Orion popped >> over the hills at the far end of the farm, dropped to about fence >> level and proceeded towards the farmhouse. Maybe he overflew first to >> get their attention. Some time ago so memory dims, but i recall that >> they saw him coming. Up the farm up the farm up the farm - wheeee.... >> . Not quite wheel marks on the roof but that was because the wheels >> were up. Bye dad ... . >> >> _____________ >> >> This is also true: >> >> Our capital city of wellington is known for its wind and its steep >> hills and its not so nice to approach airport which at one stage got >> nasty ratings from international pilots due as much to poor support >> services as the actual airport, Sensible behaviour and good navigation >> and all is well. Even at night in fog. As long as the navigation >> beacons behave. Story had it that there was a complex echo situation >> and that in some conditions the beacon system would misreport an >> aircraft's position. Pilot's complained. Investigations happened >> without finding any problems. Nothing changed. Back then a DC8 was a >> respectable aircraft and Air NZ had a modest fleet of them. >> >> In Newmarket in Auckland there was a PCB shop named Circuit Graphics. >> Good prices, good services, good response time. Hobbyist friendly. >> Probably not the most leading edge facilities From memory, back then >> they did not do PTH, but, back then many people didn't. Proprietor Don >> was friendly, helpful, cheerful. Nice guy. >> >> 1975. Standard dark and stormy night as I recall. DC8 inbound from >> Fiji on final over hilly hillside suburb of Newlands. Nearby the >> Newlands beacon decided this was the night for a spurious echo. Yee >> ha. Residents reported a DC8 appearing out of the clouds and flying >> down the valley below rooftop level in some cases. Probably made >> buzzing a farm feel tame. Go around power please. Pilot managed to >> respond fast enough and well enough to save the day. Only only only >> just from various accounts. Usual inquiry. Pilot suspended. Vilified. >> Found responsible and cashiered. Loud yelling by all and yon. >> Investigation. Beacon problems identified and remedied. Pilot >> exonerated. By then he'd moved on. Never came back to the company. >> Compensation payout etc. National hero of sorts. He bought a small >> PCB company in Newmarket. Nice guy. I never knew that he was the man >> concerned till years after he'd sold the business and moved on to >> other things. Last I knew he was running a graphic arts business in >> Helensville. >> >> >> Russell >> -- > > I believe Wellington is one of the safest airports around - because > you can guarantee that both pilot and copilot are fully awake and > paying attention to what's going on! > > RP > >

John Ferrell wrote: > Men of the Colonel's nature rarely take chances. He would not have tried > it if he had not known it to be well within the performance envelope of > his resources. You don't know that. > I understand both sides of the resulting reactions, but > the Colonel had a few moments for his decision, and the detractor's had > all the time in the world. The penalty was, IMHO, excessive. I kept thinking about the B-52 "Bud" Holland, whose foolish bravado killed his comrades and cost him his life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUEhNKBi4DY The truly brave man in this story is "Mark McGeehan, the USAF squadron commander who refused to allow any of his squadron members to fly with Holland unless he (McGeehan) was also on the aircraft." He paid the ultimate price. Vitaliy

> > Men of the Colonel's nature rarely take chances. He would not have tried > > it if he had not known it to be well within the performance envelope of > > his resources. > You don't know that. None of us know anything, as it were. [What the performance envelope of his resources were and what was required for that "stunt" would have been well known to all at the time of the court martial, but I do not have any idea personally.] BUT as soon as I read the above story I thought (of course) about Bud Holland. I haven't clicked on the link and I did not remember the name BUT I have no absolutely no doubt [tm] that he is the idiot I have in mind. Holland was essentially insane - and all who knew him well knew this. The Colonel was made of different stuff, and everyone also knew that. There is a certain commonality required to be a B52 pilot. Beyond that there was a very substantial degree of difference. 20/20 hindsite is a marvellous improver of perspective, but I suspect I'd have gladly flown with the Colonel on his under-bridge flight and have fled from Holland as much as possible. But, then, I'm the one guy in 10,000+ who stands at the end of the airbridge prior to boarding an airliner in winter conditions and looks for signs of bad deicing procedures. [I don't know what I'll really do if I find such]. But also happily [tm] climbs over safety fences where people have died *IF* I judge it is reasonable to do so (never without both fear and great care)(but usually, only if in addition (and not instead) my camera says I should :-).. Russel

Now I've seen the video. My recollection is that he was attempting a barrel roll - which he always claimed he could achieve. I don't know why he failed - it seems like it should be eminently achievable. No doubt the why is all well documented. ALL large modern aircraft are inherently yaw unstable and have yaw dampers / correctors (mechanical in ye olde craft and who knows what in latest to compensate). Mayhaps the yaw correction mechanism was not told about the forces it would experience in a barrel roll. Not trying this first at say 10,000 feet seems unwise. Still. Russel

On 11/14/2011 1:29 AM, RussellMc wrote: >>> Men of the Colonel's nature rarely take chances. He would not have tried >>> it if he had not known it to be well within the performance envelope of >>> his resources. >> You don't know that. > None of us know anything, as it were. > > [What the performance envelope of his resources were and what was > required for that "stunt" would have been well known to all at the > time of the court martial, but I do not have any idea personally.] > > BUT as soon as I read the above story I thought (of course) about Bud Holland. > I haven't clicked on the link and I did not remember the name BUT I > have no absolutely no doubt [tm] that he is the idiot I have in mind. Lakko never operated his craft outside of the published and tested limits. He was successful. Holland took his craft and crew into an area of operation that was not tested and may have have been defined as outside the operating envelope of the craft. Unlike bridges, there are no safety factors in airplane specs. The Red lines are marked where structural failure is expected. Given an opportunity think about it, I would pass on both opportunities to ride along. OTH, in the mid 1980's I was invited to ride a test flight in a Hiller Helicopter (may be from the 1950's) that had wooden rotor blades. I did it, and given similar circumstances, I would do it again! The pilot seemed to take forever on the ground spinning the blades under power to distribute the moisture content evenly to minimize vibration. At least that is what he said. It seemed a lot like a PanAm Heli Shuttle from Newark to LaGuardia I once had. A big, bumpy, noisy flight with a landing so gentle and precise it reminded me of Ballet. Back to the real world... I have bored the list enough for one day. -- John Ferrell W8CCW "The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it."