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'[TECH] Hand built stirling engine'
2009\02\01@235430 by Herbert Graf

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ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YgrMSVPqRj8

2009\02\02@003233 by solarwind

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On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Herbert Graf <spam_OUThgrafTakeThisOuTspamemail.com> wrote:
> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YgrMSVPqRj8

Very nice. Did you make it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine


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2009\02\02@174736 by Herbert Graf

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On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 00:32 -0500, solarwind wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Herbert Graf <.....hgrafKILLspamspam@spam@email.com> wrote:
> > http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YgrMSVPqRj8
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> Very nice. Did you make it?

No, it's actually my boss who built it! :)

TTYL

2009\02\02@175912 by olin piclist

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Herbert Graf wrote:
>>> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YgrMSVPqRj8
>>
>> Very nice. Did you make it?
>
> No, it's actually my boss who built it! :)

Nice job on the Sterling engine, but geesh, someone should teach that guy
how to use a camera and what "lighting" means.


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2009\02\02@203609 by Vic Fraenckel

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Herbert Graf wrote:
>  
>>>> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YgrMSVPqRj8
>>>>        
>>> Very nice. Did you make it?
>>>      
>> No, it's actually my boss who built it! :)
>>    
Make one yourself. Not exactly hand made, but kinda cool:

http://www.makershed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKGK5&ampClick=19209

Vic
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2009\02\02@233325 by Herbert Graf

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On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 17:59 -0500, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Herbert Graf wrote:
> >>> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YgrMSVPqRj8
> >>
> >> Very nice. Did you make it?
> >
> > No, it's actually my boss who built it! :)
>
> Nice job on the Sterling engine, but geesh, someone should teach that guy
> how to use a camera and what "lighting" means.

Hehe, amazing, no matter what, you always have to bring people down,
don't you? Do you get off on it or something?

For the record, as described to me, this video was taken in an "oh my
God, it's actually working; quickly, get the camera recording before
something fails" moment. Yes, he didn't have time to get perfect
lighting set up, yes, his excitement at it actually working probably
caused his hand to move the camera too much... big deal.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I feel sorry for you Olin.

TTYL

2009\02\03@074042 by olin piclist

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Herbert Graf wrote:
>> Nice job on the Sterling engine, but geesh, someone should teach
>> that guy how to use a camera and what "lighting" means.
>
> Hehe, amazing, no matter what, you always have to bring people down,
> don't you? Do you get off on it or something?

Oh grow up Herbert.  As I said, I thought he did a nice job on the Sterling
engine.

You've gotta admit though, the video was painful to watch.  That doesn't
take anything away from the Sterling engine and the work and enginuity that
went into it, but it does say a lot about the person.  Simply turning on a
few more lights and holding the camera more steady would have gone a long
way.  The fact that he didn't in the initial exitement is not the issue.
Then showing that video publicly instead of re-shooting it is.


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2009\02\03@131825 by M. Adam Davis

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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Olin Lathrop <olin_piclistspamKILLspamembedinc.com> wrote:
> ... the video was painful to watch.  ... it does say a lot about the person.

I spend time recording a local geek group, and it just takes too long
to set things up nicely, and the environment isn't suited for video
recording.

So I have a choice.  1) I can put up my videos with the poor sound and
lighting, obviously inferior camera framing, movements, and shaking or
2) I can do nothing at all and so the opportunity for others to see
what I've seen is lost.

I, for one, am very, very, very glad he chose to put up this crummy
video - many people are doing really neat homebrew projects which
aren't shared because it takes a long time to do it well.

The fact that with a standard cell phone you can take a video, email
it to your youtube account and have it up within 15 minutes of you
taking it today is just amazing.

Who cares how bad the video is, just get it up there!

This one was certainly more than adequate, and better than many in
that it actually panned around the model while it was running.  Too
many people, in search of rock steady videos, put them on a tripod and
you don't get to see it from more than one or two views, and rarely
more than one view while running.  In some cases telling someone to
add more light washes things out too much - the contrast in this video
was nice in that I could see the smaller moving rods which could
easily have been lost with a lot more light that wasn't well placed.

While your intentions are undoubtedly well meant, I know people who
are reluctant to put themselves out there because they'll receive such
criticism.

"If you can't say something nice, say nothing."

-Adam

2009\02\03@135024 by olin piclist

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M. Adam Davis wrote:
> Who cares how bad the video is, just get it up there!

The person who is putting his name on it will care to the level he cares
what other people think of him.  Crappy video is no different than bad
spelling, formatting, and grammar.  If someone posted your minutes in text
with all these problems you'd probably still figure out the message, but
you'd also think to yourself "what an idiot".  Like it or not, you're going
to be judged by the formatting, look, and feel of what you put out there
independent of the content.  Too much crappy formatting and the like will
detract from the message because it will become the message.

And let's keep in mind there is already a lot of slack for amateurs.  Nobody
is expecting professionally produced video with fancy lighting and rolling
tripod.  All this guy had to to was move the light in front of the item and
hold his body more still.  This is really basic stuff that anyone smart
enough to build a Sterling engine can handle.

> In some cases telling someone to
> add more light washes things out too much

Of course you have to add light somewhat intelligently.  Most cameras will
auto-adjust to the overall light level, so you only need to avoid hot spots.
This guy put the light into the scene and therefore ended up with a whopping
hot spot, making everything else dark and hard to see.

> While your intentions are undoubtedly well meant, I know people who
> are reluctant to put themselves out there because they'll receive such
> criticism.

So?  We're never supposed to critisize something because some dweeb at the
other end of the internet might not put up a really bad video if we do?
That makes no sense at all.

If you can't handle people talking about stuff you publish publicly, then go
crawl in a whole and don't publish anything publicly.

> "If you can't say something nice, say nothing."

That's absurd of course.


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2009\02\04@011138 by Sean Breheny

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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Olin Lathrop <.....olin_piclistKILLspamspam.....embedinc.com> wrote:
> The person who is putting his name on it will care to the level he cares
> what other people think of him.  Crappy video is no different than bad
> spelling, formatting, and grammar.
>

[SNIP]

> If you can't handle people talking about stuff you publish publicly, then go
> crawl in a whole and don't publish anything publicly.

Hmmmm. "bad spelling and grammar" .... "crawl in a whole"

I also remember that once when I pointed out that the word which is a
synonym for "laughable" is spelled "ridiculous" rather than
"rediculous" as you had it, you said something about having to type
emails quickly without the time to spell check them. That seems in
direct contradiction to your attitude today - that one might as well
not do something at all if that bit of "extra effort" cannot be put
into it at this moment.

2009\02\04@042540 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Hmmmm. "bad spelling and grammar" .... "crawl in a whole"
>
>I also remember that once when I pointed out that the word which
>is a synonym for "laughable" is spelled "ridiculous" rather than
>"rediculous" as you had it, you said something about having to type
>emails quickly without the time to spell check them. That seems in
>direct contradiction to your attitude today - that one might as well
>not do something at all if that bit of "extra effort" cannot be put
>into it at this moment.

I find this attitude from Olin strange as well. To me having the spell
checker turned on so that before sending an email, it gets checked for
spelling errors is a basic 'must do'. Occasionally errors do get through
from rushed punching of the 'Ignore' button, but to me it is a matter of
professional pride that for the most part at least the spelling is correct,
even if the grammar isn't.

2009\02\04@070845 by olin piclist

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Alan B. Pearce wrote:
> I find this attitude from Olin strange as well. To me having the spell
> checker turned on so that before sending an email, it gets checked for
> spelling errors is a basic 'must do'. Occasionally errors do get through
> from rushed punching of the 'Ignore' button, but to me it is a matter of
> professional pride that for the most part at least the spelling is
> correct, even if the grammar isn't.

Everyone makes mistakes occasionally.  While I know I type PIClist emails
fast and sometimes mistype a word or even don't know the correct spelling,
I'm OK with the level of correctness exhibited here.  I guess part of it is
I've never gotten used to spell checkers as part of my normal work flow.  Oh
well.  If you want to judge me by that, that's your call.


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2009\02\04@084055 by Virchanza

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Am I the only person that has the spellchecker that underlines words as
you type... ?



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2009\02\04@085320 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Am I the only person that has the spellchecker that underlines
>words as you type... ?

Well, Word would do that for me if I chose to use Word as my email editor,
but no, Outlook Express doesn't underline them, it can be set to check
before transmitting, and suggests possibly suitable (???) alternatives.

2009\02\04@112303 by M. Adam Davis

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Firefox does that, and since I use online email (gmail) then yes, my
mispellings are gnerally underlined.

Unfortunately, I read piclist email using explorer (saves having to
sign in and out of multiple email accounts) so I don't have spell
checking on here without clicking the little "Check Spelling" link,
which I rarely do.

I wish every program did this automatically with input (configurable,
of course, for those that don't want it.)

-Adam

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Virchanza <EraseMEvirtualspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTlavabit.com> wrote:
> Am I the only person that has the spellchecker that underlines words as
> you type... ?

2009\02\04@114150 by Rolf

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M. Adam Davis wrote:
> Firefox does that, and since I use online email (gmail) then yes, my
> mispellings are gnerally underlined.
>
> Unfortunately, I read piclist email using explorer (saves having to
> sign in and out of multiple email accounts) so I don't have spell
> checking on here without clicking the little "Check Spelling" link,
> which I rarely do.
>
> I wish every program did this automatically with input (configurable,
> of course, for those that don't want it.)
>
> -Adam
>
>  
I wish I could find some time to 'merge' the British and American
dictionaries so that I can type grey and gray, realize and realise, and
so on without getting ~~~ squiggleys. Coming from South Africa, via
England for a few years, and now living on Canada I am horribly confused
as to which spelling is right or wrong for whatever. What's more,
because I expect squiggleys I sometimes let real typo's get through
because I don't pay attention to all the squiggleys.

In theory we use the British English here in Canada, but in practice it
is all over the place. Try and tell someone that Coke comes in an
Aluminium can and you not only get squiggleys, but also gigglies...

Rolf

2009\02\04@164834 by Russell McMahon

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> ... but to me it is a matter of
> professional pride that for the most part at least the spelling is
> correct,
> even if the grammar isn't.

My OE spilling chucker has gone West (or somewhere) as seems to happen. No
doubt enough beating would bring it back. For now perfreshonal pryde will
have to fall by thee weigh side.

If I really realy care I can copy - check - repaste. Then I risk funny
formatting traps instead :-).


       R

2009\02\04@164834 by Russell McMahon

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> Oh well.  If you want to judge me by that, that's your call.

Not meaning to be rude, but that's an excellent comment on what started this
discussion. The man concerned made a competent job of building an SE (which
I haven't allowe myself time to view yet) and was so keen to show the world
that he rushed off a quick video. I suspect he'd be half happy to be judged
on the merits of his Stirling implementation and could care little about
what people thought about his videography. His call on presentation, and
yours to decide if it matters to you.


 Russell
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2009\02\05@153116 by M. Adam Davis

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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Rolf <learrspamspam_OUTrogers.com> wrote:
> I wish I could find some time to 'merge' the British and American
> dictionaries so that I can type grey and gray, realize and realise, and
> so on without getting ~~~ squiggleys.

Everytime I've come across something like that, I right click and do
add to dictionary.  After awhile you've merged the ones you use...

-Adam

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