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2011\01\21@074523 by RussellMc

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Rod says:

iphone4 hahaha uses pentalobes, which I have never met before.
They say if you take your iphone<4 in for service, it will be returned with
pentalobes.

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See attached.


        Russell

DDBE ?


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2011\01\21@083209 by Mike Hord

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There are quite a few people who are VERY upset about this, especially since
Apple are doing it to the Macbooks that come in for service, as well.

iFixit has (already) got a kit you can purchase which has the tool, a set
of
replacement screws, and a nice replacement screwdriver to put the new
screws
back in.

I've also seen instructions on creating a mating driver.

If you can't open it, you don't own it.

Mike H.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:44 AM, RussellMc <spam_OUTapptechnzTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:

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2011\01\21@084629 by RussellMc

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> There are quite a few people who are VERY upset about this, especially since
> Apple are doing it to the Macbooks that come in for service, as well.

Presumably [tm] / Yeah right, you can ask Apple to not do this, or to
undo this at no charge if you find they've done it, and they'll no
doubt [tm] comply. Maybe even provide a free courier pickup/dropoff
service.

I have an altogether easier solution.


              Russell

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2011\01\21@084857 by Tamas Rudnai

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To be honest these kind of things are only profitable to the tool
manufacturers. I can understand that they do not want to open the device by
everyone but torx would have done the job (that is somewhat more available
as that is older, however, unless you are not really up
to disassembling stuff you do not buy torx).

Tamas



On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Mike Hord <.....mike.hordKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:

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2011\01\21@091228 by RussellMc

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> To be honest these kind of things are only profitable to the tool
> manufacturers.

Maybe

> I can understand that they do not want to open the device by
> everyone

Indeed.

Some people who may otherwise have replaced the battery may instead
take it to a service centre (I don't know if the latest one still has
a 'non replaceable battery' as the original one did).

Better, some people will throw it away because the battery is dead,
and while they can buy a battery from xxx they can't undo the screws.

Some people will be prevented from damaging the system but, I assume
that the earlier versions, which are being "upgraded" also had some
sort of security screws.

Among the  "best" security  screws I've seen have shear off heads so
that the fastener is torqued to rated value and the heads then shear
off leaving eg a rounded dome with no holes or protrusions. To do that
properly you'd want them to be hardened or perhaps stellite coated for
extra points. Maybe unexploded explosive bolts? M18A1 fasteners?
(Gargoyle knows).


Walk away, walk away, walk away .... .
(Or run)


           Russel

2011\01\21@115404 by alan.b.pearce

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> There are quite a few people who are VERY upset about this, especially
> since Apple are doing it to the Macbooks that come in for service, as well.
>
> iFixit has (already) got a kit you can purchase which has the tool, a set
> of replacement screws, and a nice replacement screwdriver to put the new
> screws back in.

Why don't Apple figure this will happen before they can get any worthwhile income from the process? Looks like the guys down the local market will have a field day ...

> > iphone4 hahaha uses pentalobes, which I have never met before.
> > They say if you take your iphone<4 in for service, it will be returned
> > with pentalobes.

Well, it looks like Europe might be attempting to get back at Apple ...

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14773278,00.html


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2011\01\21@124738 by RussellMc

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>> > iphone4 hahaha uses pentalobes, which I have never met before.
>> > They say if you take your iphone<4 in for service, it will be returned
>> > with pentalobes.

> Well, it looks like Europe might be attempting to get back at Apple ...
> http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14773278,00.html

>> There are quite a few people who are VERY upset about this, especially
>> since Apple are doing it to the Macbooks that come in for service, as well.

>> iFixit has (already) got a kit you can purchase which has the tool, a set
>> of replacement screws, and a nice replacement screwdriver to put the new
>> screws back in.

> Why don't Apple figure this will happen before they can get any worthwhile income from the process? Looks like the guys down the local market will have a field day ...

Maybe because the model that I suggested was closer to what they
envisaged (rightly or wrongly) than what you are suggesting. ie that
the anticipated result is that more people will throw the phones away
and buy new ones because of the new screws. Some will seek out the
needed screws and driver, but many won't. They wot.

Walk away walk away walk ...
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Most funny screw head shapes can be dealt with by banging in the right
sized small straight bladed screw driver with a big enough mallet.
Having a supply of small straight bladed screwdrivers, and "big
enough" mallets, helps.
________

I may have to make a sign asking people to take off their iXXXXs and
leave them at the door on entry.
Shoe removal optional and not recommended.


                  Russel

2011\01\21@125231 by Chris McSweeny

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The whole point is that this is less available than torx - every man
and his dog (well certainly anybody who'd consider opening an iPhone)
has one of those. Then again neither is it actually as obscure as made
out - it would appear to be Torx TS, which is a standard 5 point bit,
and fairly readily available even before the special kit.

Chris

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Tamas Rudnai <.....tamas.rudnaiKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
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2011\01\21@131022 by RussellMc

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On 22 January 2011 06:52, Chris McSweeny <@spam@cpmcsweenyKILLspamspamgmail.com> wrote:
> The whole point is that this is less available than torx - every man
> and his dog (well certainly anybody who'd consider opening an iPhone)
> has one of those. Then again neither is it actually as obscure as made
> out - it would appear to be Torx TS, which is a standard 5 point bit,
> and fairly readily available even before the special kit.

Torx TS has a centre post AFAIK but that means the driver has a centre
hole so works just a well.

Buy a whole set

$US9

     http://www.amazon.com/Silverhill-Point-Tamper-Proof-Piece/dp/B002P4YCGM/ref=pd_sim_dbs_misc_3

GBP7 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silverhill-Point-Star-Torx-bits/dp/B003ALOG06


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41IZgtuXC1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg


Hooray - "only" $36 from Elemen14

 http://sg.element14.com/duratool/22-9795/screwdriver-bit-set/dp/1681675



Unavailable, but

Duratool 22-9795 5 POINT SECURITY TORX BIT SET 11 PIECE 1/4 INCH HEX BITS

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DPO3J0?ie=UTF8&tag=onaabbcc-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&SubscriptionId=1G78SKE6B9KVDSJ53X82&creativeASIN=B001DPO3J0

http://www.amazon.com/Five-Point-Torx-Security-Pieces/dp/B0032UNURU?SubscriptionId=1G78SKE6B9KVDSJ53X82&tag=onaabbcc-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0032UNUR

2011\01\21@132302 by Bob Blick

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On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:09:41 +1300, "RussellMc" said:

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> $US9
>
>       http://www.amazon.com/Silverhill-Point-Tamper-Proof-Piece/dp/B002P4YCGM/ref=pd_sim_dbs_misc_3

All those are waaaay too big. For Apple stuff you need T6 and T5 and
then T2 for the phone.

Left-handed drill bits take out most of those screws if you are careful.
Actually, even if you aren't careful but you can make a mess easily.

Cheers,

Bob

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2011\01\21@133916 by Tamas Rudnai

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I just got one of these from my father for this Christmas (see the attached
picture, also on
http://www.discounto.de/Angebot/3-Schrauben-Bolzenentferner-23153/ ).

Basically that can bring virtually any screw out even if the head had worn
out badly. Wondering if there is any similar bits for small screws like this
Apple one?

Thanks
Tamas



On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Bob Blick <KILLspambobblickKILLspamspamftml.net> wrote:

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2011\01\23@054526 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:11 AM, RussellMc wrote:

> Some people who may otherwise have replaced the battery may instead
> take it to a service centre

Why?  A good fraction of the replacement batteries on (say) eBay  already come with a set of tools needed to do the replacement.  In a  month or less, they'll include the new tool, too...

BillW

2011\01\23@175227 by Herbert Graf

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On Sun, 2011-01-23 at 02:45 -0800, William "Chops" Westfield wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:11 AM, RussellMc wrote:
>
> > Some people who may otherwise have replaced the battery may instead
> > take it to a service centre
>
> Why?  A good fraction of the replacement batteries on (say) eBay  
> already come with a set of tools needed to do the replacement.  In a  
> month or less, they'll include the new tool, too...

Agreed, it's a whole bunch of nothing. Manus have been using "custom"
screws for DECADES, why when something Apple does something it becomes
front page news no matter how mundane the topic has confused me for
quite a while now.

The tools will be out in days, if not already available.
Why manus still bother me is what really confuses me.

TTYL

2011\01\23@183605 by RussellMc

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                   BCC Rod: look what you started ;-)

>> ... A good fraction of the replacement batteries on (say) eBay
>> already come with a set of tools needed to do the replacement.  In a
>> month or less, they'll include the new tool, too...

> Agreed,


Agreed.

But:

Note

1.  The term "a good fraction of" above.

2. This does not immediately address the people (apparently ALL such)
who send/take an older iPhone or computer in for repair etc and have
it 'improved'.

No vastly great issue, and it keeps people off the street by spawning
a whole new industry with the extra churn.

As to whether its "a whole bunch of nothing": It may well be, but
Apple are not known for doing things which they expect to lose money
(expectation and reality sometimes differing spectacularly), would be
aware that negative press will occur, and will have worked out what
the overall result is liable to be.

They may have decided that "all publicity is good publicity" and that
this is the way to get some more, AND/OR they may  suddenly have
turned benign and helpful and genuinely caring in their old age and
decided that there is net benefit for their customers so they have
decided to improve customer security at no cost to the customer,
AND/OR (giving them the strong benefit of the doubt with the AND) may
have decided that overall the exercise is liable to be net revenue
positive which, one might feel that one has observed,  is an immediate
trigger, AND/OR something else (eg addressing liability issues)(my
child used a readily available T0 Torx driver and opened my iPhone3
and swallowed all the screws AND the battery - you should have
retrofitted the screws when I put it in for service, please deposit
1/5/10 million dollars here and say SCORE. Who can tell. Some may
guess ;-).


    Russell

2011\01\24@075002 by Michael Watterson

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On 21/01/2011 12:44, RussellMc wrote:
> Rod says:
>
> iphone4 hahaha uses pentalobes, which I have never met before.
> They say if you take your iphone<4 in for service, it will be returned with
> pentalobes.
>
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>
> See attached.
>
>
>           Russell
>
> DDBE ?
Advertised now at £2

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/24/apple_screws/

2011\01\24@090619 by John Gardner

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It'd be interesting to know who's brother-in-law is in the
fastener business..

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