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2005\12\03@215730 by DJFXn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, DJFX wrote:

Hello I have a particular problem when using Byte Craft to program the SX.  It only works when I leave the SX-Key connected.  I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem or maybe can assist me with this issue?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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2005\12\03@231819 by Coriolisn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Coriolis wrote:

Are you placing the resonator in it's socket after removing the SX-Key?

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2005\12\04@000448 by DJFXn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, DJFX wrote:

The resonator is already placed on the board.

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2005\12\04@051537 by Rsadeikan/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Rsadeika wrote:

You may have to supply us with more info, like, are you using the SX tech board, ..., etc. In one of the other posts I talked about a problem where the program runs as expected with SX-key in place, but it does not run when in stand-alone (I use SX/B). Still working on this one. Out of curiosity does your program use pulsin or equivalent command.

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2005\12\04@162026 by Ron Belknapn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Ron Belknap wrote:

I've seen the same problem, where the SX's don't want to run without the SX-Key attached.

I find that the first few times I program an SX chip it works fine by itself, but after being programmed a dozen times or so, it will only startup properly with the SX-Key attached.  I investigated further and found that the OSC wasn't oscillating.  I tried adding various resistors and caps on the resonator, which might work for a short while, but would eventually have the same problem.  To get reliable startup, I had to restrict my SX usage to applications that could use the internal 4 Mhz oscillator, though very recently I've had one SX-28 that needs the SX-Key to run on the SX Tech board even with the internal 4 Mhz clock.  Previous to this recent incident with the SX-28 on a SX Tech board, all my earlier problems had occurred with SX-48's on custom PCB's or commercial USB modules like the DLP-245SY, and the Elexol USB I/O 24.

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2005\12\04@183753 by Jon Williamsn/a
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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Jon Williams wrote:

What are you using in your DEVICE directive?

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2005\12\05@020040 by williamn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, william wrote:

I think your resonator is too far away from the SX.
Move it closer, then it will work.

For 4Mhz resonator, use DEVICE oschs1.
For 20Mhz or 50Mhz use oschs2.

I will work, just needs a bit of time and effort.

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2005\12\06@085119 by George Herzogn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, George Herzog wrote:

If the oscillator won't go, it may be that the particular configuration is lacking enough power to drive it.

While the oschs1, oschs2, and so on are assigned to particular frequency ranges, they basically are different levels of oscillator drive power.
I suppose you could bump up one level if the oscillator won't go.

Reconsider your hardware.
The problem could be the kind of crystal one is using, the quality of the osillator device, voltage drop due to small or long leads, cold solder joints, not using capacitors on a resonator that requires them, or using an improper resistor  omiting a resistor in parallel.

So, if you have a good 'always working' resonator, set it aside for troubleshooting.

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