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2005\11\10@111333 by kgraceyn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, kgracey wrote:

Dear SXers:

After considering several options available, we are pleased to announce that we are forming a partnership with CCS to provide a $99 C compiler exclusively for the SX. We have assembled a team for making the integration with the SX-Key IDE for debugging, reviewing and improving the documentation, and porting code examples from several popular Parallax accessories to C.


We're not ready to discuss features yet, but will post early documentation on these forums as it becomes available in the next two weeks. Once we post some information we'll be looking to our forum users for guidance on compiler and documentation improvements.


We expect that the compiler will be ready to ship by the end of December.


Ken Gracey
Parallax, Inc.

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2005\11\10@121709 by Peter Van der Zeen/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Peter Van der Zee wrote:

Hi Ken;
Having been severely disappointed with previous CCS efforts, I'm looking forward to a new and plausible offering. The previous stuff was utterly useless, although admittedly they were selling it as a "Beta" poduct including a one year support. Warranty/support calls were largely ineffective. Hopefully with the Parallax push, they will pull up their socks.

Eventhough my support (and desire to use it) have expired, I would appreciate another go at it if Parallax could convince CCS to offer a no-charge upgrade to this new, presumably working product to previous purchasers for their troubles. Seems to me we paid about $250 for garbage.

Good luck un this.

Cheers,
Peter
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2005\11\10@123854 by kgraceyn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, kgracey wrote:

Peter,
Through our research and evaluation we've experienced similar concerns. We have a reasonably strong internal connection with CCS for making improvements to the compiler and documentation. This isn't something we're tacking on to our IDE - source level debug is part of the plan, along with support from Parallax and complete money-back guarantee.

If your purchase was for a prior version of an SX compiler from CCS, I will obtain a refund for you. Please verify with me and I'll follow through. Please verify - you needn't be in that position. I won't be tolerant of any of our suppliers putting our customers in that situation.

Thanks,
Ken Gracey
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2005\11\10@144813 by LostboYn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, LostboY wrote:

We will do our very best to make sure this compiler is of value before we offer it to our customers.  
Ryan
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2005\11\10@150708 by Peter Van der Zeen/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Peter Van der Zee wrote:

Hi Ken/Ryan;
Again I'm impressed with your sensitivity to customer needs.....one couldn't ask for more!

I'll dig out the version details of my previous purchase, and I thank you very kindly for your offer and assistance.

Perhaps now I'll have cause to learn to be a C programmer, though I hope not to lose my assembler skills.

Cheers,
Peter (pjv)
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2005\11\10@153332 by LostboYn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, LostboY wrote:

pjv,
If you want to keep your ASM skills up, SX/B is going strong ;)
Ryan
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2005\11\10@170508 by James Newtonn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, James Newton wrote:

Do you guys have any general idea as to a time line on the availability of this new SX/C? I have an up-comming project...

Anyone who wants more history than you can read on the CCS compilers (for PICs) can check the piclist archive at
http://www.piclist.com/techref/postbot.asp?by=thread&id=%25+ccs%25
There have been complaints, but there have also been a lot of kudos.

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2005\11\10@182253 by Jon Williamsn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Jon Williams wrote:

It will probably be a month or so -- lots of work for all parties, yet.

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2005\11\10@214527 by kgraceyn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, kgracey wrote:

James,
Much of the information you provided is about the CCS compiler for the PIC, whereas we're interested in the SX. Our primary interest is not seeing a ported PIC compiler being used for the SX, but one which targeted to the SX architecture. We will not have any PIC-specific leftovers in the SX version such as examples or debuggers in the CCS SX compiler. While I realize the extent of '5X compatibility necessitates much overlap, the CCS SX version will have specific features for the SX.

If you have some information on their SX compiler I'd be interested in seeing that since this product has been on the market in the past.

Thanks,
Ken Gracey
Parallax, Inc.

P.S. to PJV: Your refund from CCS is forthcoming. They will be in contact with you shortly.

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2005\11\10@222647 by Peter Van der Zeen/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Peter Van der Zee wrote:

Hi Ken,
WOW, you guys REALLY perform.

I'm exited about your new SX specific product; please put me down for your first copy.

Will it deal with both the 28 and 48 series ?

Thanks ever so much Ken, I'm really impressed,
Cheers,
Peter (pjv)
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2005\11\10@225846 by RGlennn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, RGlenn wrote:

A CCS C compiler... for $99... with source-level debugging...

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

Seriously: you guys rock.

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2005\11\11@053428 by dkemppain/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, dkemppai wrote:

[Quoting: "Ken Gracey (Parallax)"]
Dear SXers:

After considering several options available, we are pleased to announce that we are forming a partnership with CCS to provide a $99 C compiler exclusively for the SX. We have assembled a team for making the integration with the SX-Key IDE for debugging, reviewing and improving the documentation, and porting code examples from several popular Parallax accessories to C.


We're not ready to discuss features yet, but will post early documentation on these forums as it becomes available in the next two weeks. Once we post some information we'll be looking to our forum users for guidance on compiler and documentation improvements.


We expect that the compiler will be ready to ship by the end of December.


Ken Gracey
Parallax, Inc.

Cool! It's about time. Do you have any information about math libs for the compiler? It would be nice to see some floats. :)

As long as there is support for the 48/52(if it comes back), count me in for at least one copy maybe two. (One for my Day job, and one for my Contract work!)

Can't wait to see some examples.


-Dan
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2005\11\11@104510 by Tom Perkinsn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Tom Perkins wrote:

From what I've heard, Ill buy it.

Thank you, TDP, molon labe, montani semper liberi, & para fides paternae patria
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2005\11\11@110726 by LostboYn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, LostboY wrote:

So far support for the following :

SX18AC
SX20AC
SX28AC
SX48BD
SX52BD
Ryan
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2005\11\24@061115 by javalinn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, javalin wrote:

WOW!

So has this been in work for a while, just thinking it being November now and the product ready to ship in December.

Not trying to be (too) nosy, just curious that its so quick!

Where do I sign!!

James
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'[SX] C Compiler for the SX: Parallax has a solutio'
2006\02\09@074258 by peterverkaikn/a
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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, peterverkaik wrote:

Any news on the C compiler?
regards peter
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2006\02\09@121918 by kgraceyn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, kgracey wrote:

Hi Peter,
Yes, CCS and the SX-Key IDE engineer (Peter M.) have resolved some basic interface issues. And CCS has agreed to provide Parallax with 10 copies we can distribute to our beta users for feature feedback. For now, the chips lie with Peter as he verifies the COD file format is working correctly. Then, we'll do some basic functional tests within Parallax before distributing 10 copies to customers on this discussion forum.

Thanks,
Ken Gracey
Parallax, Inc.

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2006\02\09@174941 by dkemppain/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, dkemppai wrote:

[Quoting: "Ken Gracey (Parallax)"]
Hi Peter,
Yes, CCS and the SX-Key IDE engineer (Peter M.) have resolved some basic interface issues. And CCS has agreed to provide Parallax with 10 copies we can distribute to our beta users for feature feedback. For now, the chips lie with Peter as he verifies the COD file format is working correctly. Then, we'll do some basic functional tests within Parallax before distributing 10 copies to customers on this discussion forum.

Thanks,
Ken Gracey
Parallax, Inc.

ooh, ooh, can I have a copy? I'm really good a breaking 'bulletproof' code!  :)

grin!

-Dan
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2006\02\09@175954 by kgraceyn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, kgracey wrote:

Hey Dan,
I'll give a copy to the biggest critics this list can produce. As I've mentioned before, this is the "customer's compiler" because unlike other products we manufacture, we're only in a management position with this one and I'm relying on users to make it complete. We'll be facilitating a nice product from CCS. If you can bang on it, find weaknesses, and make critical requests (suggestions for improvements) then you'll get one of the free copies. Just remind me when we start to seek such testers.

Parallax would have a more active role in this compiler if we had the engineering time, but I think you'd rather see us spend our time on something else under development. More on that later.

Ken Gracey
Parallax, Inc.

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2006\02\09@181945 by KenLemn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, KenLem wrote:

>>but I think you'd rather see us spend our time on something else under development. More on that later.
Like how much later? ;) weeks, months...  You can't say something like that without expecting people to be curious.

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2006\02\09@182732 by beann/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, bean wrote:

Easy KenLem,
 It's posts like the above that has all but completely shut-down ANY anouncement of ANY product until the last minute.
 Please don't take this the wrong way, I'n not picking on your post, just trying to make a comment in general.
 Parallax has been beating-up many times for announcing a "future" product, then people start bashing them for not having it available.
 I don't speak for Parallax, but I've seen it happen, and I've seen the announcments come to a very abrupt end.

Bean.

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2006\02\09@191851 by Coriolisn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Coriolis wrote:

KenLem's comments are pretty mild compared to some of the past comments made by people feeling that its been "too long" since the first announcement of a product, if my memory serves me (it frequently doesn't), several people were quite rude about the PINK module's delays.

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2006\02\10@041113 by beann/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, bean wrote:

I agree that KenLem meant no malice. I was just making a point.

I guess it's a "sign of the times". People have been burnt with vaporware [ like the goonwave :( ] that they think that is what everyone does. But it doesn't take much to delay a product release.


Bean.

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2006\02\10@045105 by Coriolisn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Coriolis wrote:

Especially when the product development isn't completely in-house, as is the case with CCS. My favorite vaporware is the Phantom game console (appropo name eh?) Its been in "development" for more than a decade, so long that the guy involved supposedly has to keep going back to the drawing board because by the time its nearing completion its already obsolete. At least thats his story, several internet sluths have investigated him and said its just a ploy to dupe his investors.

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2006\02\10@113945 by Chris Savagen/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Chris Savage wrote:

Paul,
  Don't forget on the video game side (which I no longer play) the Duke Nukem Game...How many years has that been in development?

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2006\02\12@025247 by George Herzogn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, George Herzog wrote:

One of the competitors wants roughly $1500USD for C support of the SX.

Obviously, CCS is a blessing to learners who already know it.  Hopefully a little positive encouragement will bring it along.
I am waiting for delivery of a copy of Kernighan & Richies 2nd Edition to get up to speed.

These days it seems that several resources provide examples in PSEUDO CODE [like the Seattle Robotics site], which is really a generalized C.  
So having some knowledge of it will help pull in more ideas from other places.

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2006\02\12@073453 by pljackn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, pljack wrote:

[Quoting: "Chris Savage (Parallax)"]Paul,
  Don't forget on the video game side (which I no longer play) the Duke Nukem Game...How many years has that been in development?

Duke Nukem! Oh, man. I just read an announcement the other day on digg.com.
I can't believe the Nukem legend/vaporware thing won't fizzle out.


On topic:
I have over a decade in C/C++. I would love to beta test your new C compiler.
I will stay tuned for your request for beta testers, when that comes.

I'm very excited about a C compiler for the SX.
Take your time and make it the quality app Parallax in known for.

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2006\02\12@202729 by PJMontyn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, PJMonty wrote:

Hey Boys and Girls!

Just wanted to provide a quick update on the C compiler support status.  First of all, you should understand that this involves work back and forth between two companies - CCS and Parallax.  Second, when I say "Parallax", I really mean "me".   Third, when I say... "me", I mean the me who is not an employee of Parallax, but just a sub-contractor working for Parallax on the SX-Key IDE.  Fourth, when I say... well, let me just add that I took on a full time job a few months ago that shipped me to Hong Kong, and there is a 16 hour time difference between myself and Parallax or CCS.

Okay, now that you have a tiny bit of history on who is working on this and the status of the players, let me explain a little further.  Anytime you have two companies working back and forth via email to write software that has to work together, it just takes longer than you think it will.  Add in Christmas holidays and me being thousands of miles away, and it just gets a little slower yet.

Now, having said all of that, I think we may have overcome the last of the nagging problems.  I have just sent a beta copy of the SX-Key IDE to CCS for them to test.  Now, before you get too excited, bear in mind that they may write back in a few days (or more... or less) and tell me that there is some major problem I missed or created.  This could send me back to working on the code some more, followed by sending a copy to CCS, etc, etc.  
So, in the interest of helping everyone on the forum who is interested about the C compiler support, I put together the FAQ below based on some hypothetical questions that I believe people want answered.  
[list]Thanks,
PeterM[/list]
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The CCS compiler support FAQ:
Please understand that I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR PARALLAX, THE VIEWS AND OPINIONS EXPRESSED BELOW ARE STRICTLY MY OWN:
1 - Is any work actually happening on adding support for the CCS compiler to the SX-Key IDE?
You bet work is actually happening.  It just takes a lot longer to write software that will be used and abused by a huge number of people than it does to write a program that is only going to be used by yourself.  Even simple changes need to be tested to prevent thousands of users from angrily calling Parallax complaining about a problem in the new software release.  I also try to make the whole IDE backward compatible so that you don't have to do a lot of work to get started with the new version of the IDE.
2 - Are you guys lazy bums, or just people who like to tease about release dates?
Personally, I don't think of myself as lazy, and as for being a tease?  Well, that's not something I've ever really been accused of in the past, so I assume I'm not.  Say, you are kind of cute.  Don't touch me.
3 - Duke Nukem... Duke Nukem...
Are you completely high?  When we hit our first decade of development (or however long it's has been with Duke) without a release, feel free to burn me in public effigy.  Until then?  Relax.  It's coming.  Would I lie to you?
4- When it will be done and ready for public download?
I don't know.  I'm not ignorant and I'm not dodging the question.  CCS modifies their code, and they send it to me.  I modify my code, and I send it to them.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  The day we stop sending stuff back and forth is the day it's done and you'll be among the very first to know.
5 - Am I going to be dazzled and amazed with the new compiler support?  Will it be everything I hope for?
I seriously doubt it.  It's software.  It's a matter of personal taste.
6 - Will it work exactly like I expect it to?
See the answer to question 5.
7 - If I'm not thrilled, will it ever be changed until I am?
As long as the changes are reasonable and would benefit the majority of the user base, it's quite likely.  Work on the the IDE is almost never completely dormant.  At the very least, I do bug fixes on my own as I discover them while working with the SX-Key.  Yes, I'm a user as well as the current software developer on the SX-Key IDE, and I use it just like you do to make projects with the SX-Key.
8 - Will I be aware of big changes the moment I start the IDE?
I doubt it.  As a rule of thumb, I try to make things as seamless and invisible as possible.  Most of the changes are subtler and more internal.  It's not like Quicken where every new version has a completely new interface you have to learn.  The Sx-Key tends to look and feel the same from release to release, only it has some new features and/or bug fixes.
9 - This is taking so long, I could write it faster than you bozos.  Why don't you open source it so the community can take a crack at it?  Then you'll see how fast things get changed!
Funny you should mention open source.  A few years back, there was a great hue and cry to open source the IDE since Parallax hadn't done any work on it in a long time.  Parallax listened and Parallax heard, and they released the IDE at the time as an open source project.  So, after the download stampede was over, how many people ever modified or improved the code and released it back to the public?  Exactly one - Me.  Not exactly a shining example of the power of the open source community to rush in and solve the problem.  But hey, at least I did my part.
10 - I hate you!  You suck!
I'm sorry, I can't hear you very well.  It sounded like you asked me to slow down and take as long as I need, but that would be silly, right?
11 - I look forward to the new version.
Me too.
12 - Hey, stop wasting time writing FAQs and get back to writing code.
Good point.  This FAQ is now officially concluded.
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2006\02\12@205445 by Chris Savagen/a

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Oh my Peter...I hope you didn't think the Duke Nukem thing was a comparison...It's just whenever I hear the term vaporware, it's the first thing that pops into my mind!  I can't help it...Before I gave up video games I was waiting and waiting and waiting...Then I gave up.  I know first-hand the hard work you put into the IDE so we'll just forget about Duke, huh?  "Who wants some?" - DN
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2006\02\12@205933 by PJMontyn/a

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Chris,
No, I just thought the "Duke Nukem" thing was funny enough to mention in my "FAQ".  I think I mainly wanted to write, "Are you completley high?" as part of the answer in a FAQ.  I don't know why, but using that as a reply just made me chuckle.

[list]Thanks,
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2006\02\13@004324 by George Herzogn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, George Herzog wrote:

You forgot to add delays due to Chinese Lunar New Year, or did you compulsively work on C through that holiday?

You and I are in the same time zone.  I hope you like noodles.

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2006\02\13@011415 by PJMontyn/a

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George,
Actually I did work on it during Chinese New Year since I had four days off instead of the usual one.  This particular job is a six day a week situation.  As for noodles?  Love them.  Although I enjoy the various noodles in broth dishes, my favorite dish is Singapore Style fried noodles.  I always liked that back home, and when I found out I could get them here a down the block from where I'm working, I was in heaven.  They're cheap and delicious.   A plate of noodles and a bowl of rice (yeah, I know, if you're eating noodles you don't normally eat rice, but whatever) costs a burning $38 HK, or $5 US.

I also have found that by eating in the local restaurants, I have gained some serious "cool guy" points with the folks I work with.  Most Westerners come to Hong Kong and won't eat in the local joints becuase they tend to look, well, "funky" is putting it politely.   I figure that since the locals aren't dropping like flies or getting sick every other day, then it can't be too bad.  It's been a couple of months now and I've had no problems.

One thing I find amusing is that it's a common habit here to order hot tea with your meal so you can "clean" the utensils before you eat with them.  I don't bother because the plates and cups are washed in the same place as the utensils, and no one is trying to clean the plate full of food before they eat off it.  Either it's clean, or it's not - just eat and you'll know soon enough.

[list]Thanks,
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2006\02\13@041645 by beann/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, bean wrote:

Peter,
 I loved the FAQ. I think the guys from Parallax will back me up when I say "I would starve to death in china/hong kong". I nearly lost it at the restuant Ken took me to.

Bean.

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2006\02\13@052948 by George Herzogn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, George Herzog wrote:

Only Westerners work though Chinese New Years.  That is about the only time off you get all year.  I worked 7 days a week for my first 3 1/2 years in Taiwan - still work six.  
Pot Stickers, which are big money in the USA, are quite reasonable here and loads of shrimp.  At least you have an apetite for Asia.  Taiwanese don't do the tea washing thing, but everything is on paper and dispossible - the water is questionable.

Green tea is better for your digestion than coffee, but I am a major supporter of the local Starbucks.  It's in the blood.

Swinertons in Kowloon will provide you with anything in the way of an English book, including good programing textbooks.  They have a bit of a British flavor - willing to stock real information.  And they used to be quite larger, but after going back to China their is less market for English.  I may ask you to locate a book or two.  Kaohsiung has next to nothing.

I still shop there whenever I am in Hong Kong.  It is better than Stacey's in San Francisco.

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2006\02\13@073918 by kgraceyn/a

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Bean,
I'm not sure you'd stave to death.

You don't know what you're missing. On the last trip we were treated to cow tongue, snails, Peking duck, fish stomach (a pastry filled with fish), rabbit, and drunken prawns. There was no southern BBQ anywhere to be found. By the second day your mind would be appreciative of the different food, as your stomach would be asking for more at the first taste of duck blood soup. Your body and mind would be in total disagreement until your mind realized that the food is fairly benign, especially compared to the three-day old survival steak you packed from the USA.

Kramer would agree, too.

So, get your passport . . . as for me, I get more of this fantastic food next week!

Ken Gracey
Parallax, Inc.

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2006\02\13@075349 by Rsadeikan/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Rsadeika wrote:

Stop, you are making me hungry, I love that kind of different stuff. On a trip to Toronto, some time ago, I went to a Chinese resturant that was supposed to be pretty authentic, and I had a chance to try stuff like thousand year old eggs. Unfortunately, here in the midwest, their is no market for authentic food like that. Everybody that I know has a reaction like Bean.

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2006\02\13@110916 by Chris Savagen/a

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Bean (Hitt Consulting) said...(trimmed)
Peter,
I loved the FAQ. I think the guys from Parallax will back me up when I say "I would starve to death in china/hong kong". I nearly lost it at the restuant Ken took me to.
Bean.
Bean,

  Having been a transplant from NY I'm going to have to back you on this one.  I don't even go to lunch with them anymore!  =)  I just go home and enjoy my meat & potatoes...Oh and home-made Pizza, since they have all these "New York Pizza" places out here that are nothing like New York!

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2006\02\13@113844 by kgraceyn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, kgracey wrote:

Attention Chris and Bean - we have peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on Wonder bread in the kitchen!

Some of the greatest food in China is shown below. The first picture is Schezuan fish - this is an oil-cooked fish with tons of hot peppers floating around. Not sure if Kramer eats this in Taiwan. The second picture isn't an aquarium, but the corner of the restaurant where you choose the fish you'd like to have cooked to your specifications.


Ken Gracey
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2006\02\13@115715 by beann/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, bean wrote:

Boy did this thread get off-topic.
Hey Ken, sure that stuff might not kill me....But why chance it ;)
Really if you think about some of our food is really weird.
For breakfast you take the unborn fedus of a bird from it's shell and mix it around, then fry it.
There you go... scrambled eggs.

Bean.

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2006\02\13@120946 by Coriolisn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Coriolis wrote:

Actually I think eggs you buy in the store are unfertilized (or if they are, they are refridgerated almost immeadiately to prevent incubation from happening). But in some asian cultures it is a delecacy to let the incubation to occur until nearly the end, boil it and eat the chick inside (whole).

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2006\02\13@121258 by Chris Savagen/a

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There went my appetite...And it's lunchtime...

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2006\02\13@184246 by dkemppain/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, dkemppai wrote:

[Quoting: "PJMonty"]
Hey Boys and Girls!

Just wanted to provide a quick update on the C compiler support status. First of all, you should understand that this involves work back and forth between two companies - CCS and Parallax. Second, when I say "Parallax", I really mean "me". Third, when I say... "me", I mean the me who is not an employee of Parallax, but just a sub-contractor working for Parallax on the SX-Key IDE. Fourth, when I say... well, let me just add that I took on a full time job a few months ago that shipped me to Hong Kong, and there is a 16 hour time difference between myself and Parallax or CCS.


Peter,
Well, gee, if the code was open sourced, I'd like to at least take a peek at it. (Actually, I have a copy of the .zip from sxlist, but just not the password for the file). But, I imagine that you've made quite a few changes to the IDE since then. One of my sub duties is to write PC code.

I know how this stuff goes...   ...so we really do appreciate the work you're putting into it.  


Ken,
Why does this freaking page always want to double space everything when I hit the return key?!?

Anyway I sure hope that I have time to work with the CCS when it finally gets handed out. I'd love to dig into it. It would be really nice to ride the learning curve with everyone else... ...that way I wouldn't get left behind! I think it would be a great opportunity. As long as my schedule isn't too busy, or your timeline isn't too quick you can count me in.

Also, I may have one or two extra circuit boards that I could loan out for debug purposes. The only problem is that they need the SX52. But they have two PWM channels with drivers with 20Amp fets in full H-Bridge configuration, 2 RS232 coms, 2 ADC's, 1 DAC, and a 2x16 LCD. If someone else were interested in working with me, we could co-develop code on these boards... ...but we can cross that bridge when we get there.

Thanks,
-Dan

P.S I believe the Egg thing you guys are talking about is Balute. I'll pass. I think I'll just go out, and shoot a deer, dig shoulder deep in the guts to empty it out, skin it, and cut a few fresh steaks and fry them up in butter and onions and pepper.

Actually, now that we're way off subject again...   ...I think more people should kill what they eat. It really gives you more of an appreciation for the food you consume. You don't really think about life, until you're sitting down enjoying a steak, remembering the moment you killed the animal that you are eating. It is then that you truly respect nature and life. One of the most powerful and awesome set of emotions you may ever experience will fill you when you remember that journey. It's not about killing, it's about communing with nature, and being part of nature. Eat a hamburger and you're just paying someone to do the work, so that you can miss out on something that you should be experiencing yourself. I think this is where our American culture is missing out. Many other peoples respect the food they eat because they are close to it than we are....

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2006\02\13@234808 by George Herzogn/a

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Okay Okay, enough about food.  
If you need a proof reader to expedite this project I would be happy to try.  As you are in Hong Kong and only one person, it seems that some support may help.

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2006\02\17@051434 by roofis27n/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, roofis27 wrote:

C Programming for the SX!?!

Wow, this sounds great! Assembly is cool, until you start programming for the real world, with deadlines and such. I abandoned SX chips in favor of Atmel AVR chips and have been using GCC (Gnu, open-source C tools). If CCS could match the quality of the GCC tools I'd be ecstatic. I just ordered three SX48 prototyping boards and would love to assist in the testing efforts.

There's a bunch of tools that I would be willing to write/port for the compiler, such as graphic display interfaces, stepper motor drivers, TWI functions and such. I have a good collection for the AVRs. I've got an EE degree and four years of QA experience, and will be out of a job in another three weeks; I could contribute quite a lot. I'd be glad to hear more details - <roofis27@yahoo.com>.

But please, I've heard enough about fish stomach soup...

Cheers,
-Ken Shinn
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