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2001\03\05@191833 by Dwayne Reid

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Good day to all.

I just got the most recent update to my CAD package and now see that there
is a limited but fully functional free version available.  There is a bit
of a learning curve associated with it but it generates excellent
schematics and board layouts.

The package is called 'CADINT' and is available from web sites in both the
USA and Europe.  The US web site is http://www.cadint.com ; the European
site is http://www.cadint.se .

The free / demo version is limited to 250 pins (layout) and manual routing
only.  It is about 13 MB in size but is also available on CD.

My history with this package dates back to the early '80's when it was
known as EE Designer.  Although I have tried several other packages, Cadint
and EE Designer are what I use to generate the layouts and schematics for
my company's products.

I don't want this to come off sounding like an advertisement - I don't have
a vested interest other than as a very long time user.  I haven't mentioned
this before during all the other CAD threads because, at US $4000 for the
version that I have, its just way too expensive for most users.  But now
that I see that they are offering a 250 pin version for free, its just too
good a deal to keep quiet about.

In a nutshell:
250 pins - downloaded:          free
250 pins - shipped on CD:       $10
non-commercial - 500 pins:      $90
Other variants are available.

I hope this helps someone out there.

dwayne


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2001\03\06@022251 by Vasile Surducan

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hi, Dwayne
I'm just wonder, your law are so crude when you are using some hacked
or old real CAD software ? There are guys who looks into your computer for
software ? You can't use an old but good and tested CAD software ?
A dos ORCAD4 or Tango2 looks much better than this one ( just thinking to
autorute or number of pads )

Sincerely yours,
Vasile

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2001\03\06@034245 by Dwayne Reid

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At 09:22 AM 3/6/01 +0200, Vasile Surducan wrote:
>hi, Dwayne
>I'm just wonder, your law are so crude when you are using some hacked
>or old real CAD software ? There are guys who looks into your computer for
>software ? You can't use an old but good and tested CAD software ?
>A dos ORCAD4 or Tango2 looks much better than this one ( just thinking to
>autorute or number of pads )

Hi there.

My CAD days started in 1985 or so with a package who's name completely
escapes me right now - might have been 'Smartwork'.  It was just SO
bad.  Jagged traces in only 2 sizes.

Pcad was available but we could not afford it.

My partner discovered EE Designer I from Visionics and I began to use
it.  It was OK - somewhat clunky but it sure beat the old Bishop graphics
puppets and mylar and crepe tape and Xacto knife that I had spent the
previous 5 years using.

Then EE Designer was upgraded to EE II.  That is still the package I do
much of my design work in.  It is VERY fast, runs under DOS or in a DOS box
(I'll keep 8 or 9 files open when I am working on something complex).  The
most important thing is that I have 15 years worth of libraries to call upon.

EE Designer III came out 1991 or there abouts.  The version I use is dated
1992 and I use it to generate the Gerber files for the boards I have
manufactured.

Somewhere along the way, the investors and owners in Visionics split
up.  One company is now called 'Norlinvest' and they make the package
called Edwin.  I tried it - and gave it up.

The other company is called Cadint.

Here is the main thing about EE Designer: it works.  It doesn't crash -
ever.  I regularly attend seminars and demonstrations of the various CAD
package vendors that come around - I still remember looking at the latest
Tango (5 or 6 years ago) and thinking "My gosh!  EE Designer has had that
capability for years!".

I have legal copies of MicroSim's products as well as a full copy of MAX
EDA from Maxroute and Orcad.  I spent 3 months sending bug reports to Orcad
before I gave up on the package.

But I have to question your motives with your comments.  You can get a free
version of IVEX that goes up to 100 pins.  You can spend US $30.00 and
upgrade it to 250 pins.  It crashes all the time.    It costs you time.

Easytrax works just fine for many people.  It, too, is free.  But EE
Designer and Cadint run circles around it - both in terms of speed and the
quality of board layout that you get from it.

Eagle looks OK as well.  I seriously considered purchasing it.  But I just
couldn't see the benefits over what I was currently using.  Its just not as
good.

I'm open to criticism.  If you spend some time with the package and really
don't like it, I'd be interested in your comments.  Not to cause arguments,
but instead to be added to a list of things to keep in mind when suggesting
CAD packages to beginners and students.  In fact, I'll funnel feedback to
Cadint, as well.

Finally, my post was in response to the flood of 'who makes a decent, free
CAD package' messages that we get on the list regularly.  Personally, I
think that a free version of Cadint is a pretty good thing.  Remember -
I've paid many thousands of dollars over the past 15 years for both EE
Designer and Cadint.  I didn't have the option of a free and legal CAD
package when I started.

When I discovered that Cadint was offering a FREE and LEGAL 250 pin
version, I was elated!  And I thought that the members of the PICLIST
should be the first to know about it.

Back to you, Vasile.

dwayne



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2001\03\06@120228 by Dwayne Reid

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Good day to all.

I just got the most recent update to my CAD package and now see that there
is a limited but fully functional free version available.  There is a bit
of a learning curve associated with it but it generates excellent
schematics and board layouts.

The package is called 'CADINT' and is available from web sites in both the
USA and Europe.  The US web site is http://www.cadint.com ; the European
site is http://www.cadint.se .

The free / demo version is limited to 250 pins (layout) and manual routing
only.  It is about 13 MB in size but is also available on CD.

My history with this package dates back to the early '80's when it was
known as EE Designer.  Although I have tried several other packages, Cadint
and EE Designer are what I use to generate the layouts and schematics for
my company's products.

I don't want this to come off sounding like an advertisement - I don't have
a vested interest other than as a very long time user.  I haven't mentioned
this before during all the other CAD threads because, at US $4000 for the
version that I have, its just way too expensive for most users.  But now
that I see that they are offering a 250 pin version for free, its just too
good a deal to keep quiet about.

In a nutshell:
250 pins - downloaded:          free
250 pins - shipped on CD:       $10
non-commercial - 500 pins:      $90
Other variants are available.

I hope this helps someone out there.

dwayne


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Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd    Edmonton, AB, CANADA
(780) 489-3199 voice          (780) 487-6397 fax

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2001\03\06@121042 by David Minkler

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Dwayne,

I'd like to second your recommendation.  Like you, I cut my teeth with
puppets.  I've used PCAD and ORCAD, both decent packages.  I use CADINT
here at work (unlimited version) and at home (non-commercial version),
the ONLY difference being pin count limitations.  I've also watched a
lot of other people use other packages and NOBODY has better integration
between schematic capture and pcb layout.  The learning curve is a bit
steep and the manuals are not very good (getting better) but once you
get the hang of it you can really move.  A full set of Gerber, Drill and
log file outputs is a few clicks away, zipped and ready to go.  I like
the fact that the free version and their top of the line versions
operate identically (only a single learning curve).

Regards,
Dave

Dwayne Reid wrote:
>
> The package is called 'CADINT' and is available from web sites in both the
> USA and Europe.  The US web site is http://www.cadint.com ; the European
> site is http://www.cadint.se .
>
> The free / demo version is limited to 250 pins (layout) and manual routing
> only.  It is about 13 MB in size but is also available on CD.
>

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2001\03\07@031421 by Vasile Surducan

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I'm working with cad's from 88. I'm agree with you, but as Dwayne said,
when you know all trick's with one and you're happy with, any change may
be disastruos.
So I like to do schematics in Orcad, but old dos one,( the newest windows
version are just like natural calamities), and pcb's with Tango.
(which have all the gerber, log and drill files you've mentioned )
But you make me curious, let's try a download from this site !
Cheers, Vasile

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2001\03\09@072054 by Steve Bergerson

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Check out Eagle 4.0 free or light..

It rocks,....

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