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'[PIC]: Problems with MPLAB ICE2000'
2000\12\14@165951 by David Huisman

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Anyone know how to correct Host Interface problem with ICE2000 emulator ?
It reports "Error when operating in bi-directional mode".
LPT1 is set to ECP.
I have tried it under Windows 95 and NT without success.
I am using MPLAB 5.2

The program seems to download to emulator but will not run and I cannot read
registers or set breakpoints. I suspect LPT1 is able to "talk" to emulator
but not visas versa.

TIA

David Huisman

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2000\12\14@182729 by Andrew E. Kalman

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Re:

>Anyone know how to correct Host Interface problem with ICE2000 emulator ?
>It reports "Error when operating in bi-directional mode".
>LPT1 is set to ECP.
>I have tried it under Windows 95 and NT without success.
>I am using MPLAB 5.2

I'd suggest backing up and getting the ICE2000 to work inside of
VERIFY.EXE first. In there, you can choose "compatibility mode" and
see if it will work.

I've seen ICE2000 work with ECP and bi-dir mode on both NT and Win98.
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2000\12\15@051931 by Simon Nield

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>LPT1 is set to ECP.

I think ECP is an odd setting for the parallel port... have you tried setting it to EPP ?
(I have no experience whatsoever with the ICE btw so this may be a red herring, just looked odd to
me)

Simon

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'[PIC]: MPLAB ICE2000'
2001\02\09@065649 by Michael Rigby-Jones
2001\02\09@080420 by Kevin Blain
2001\02\09@081044 by Michael Rigby-Jones
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Perhaps I should have mentioned the CPU I was emualting...Doh!

It's a 16F877.  On a related note, we need 3.3 volt capability so we are
going to need the 16LF877.  The standard chip is only specced down to 4
volts. I'm guessing this is limited because of the onboard Vpp generator?
Or are there probably other major differences?

> {Original Message removed}

2001\02\09@092742 by Gordon Varney (personal)

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The real problem with 3.3V is not the ICE, it's the clock frequency. The
16F877 will have intermittent and sometimes severe reactions to high clock
frequencies at low voltages. The part will work fine at 20Mhz using 5V. But
at 4V you have to drop to 10Mhz, and at 3.3V you will have to slow down to
4Mhz. Check the Spec's in the data book, It's all hidden in there.

I'm not saying it won't work, but I have never made it work correctly

Gordon Varney

> Perhaps I should have mentioned the CPU I was emualting...Doh!
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> It's a 16F877.  On a related note, we need 3.3 volt capability so we are
> going to need the 16LF877.  The standard chip is only specced down to 4
> volts. I'm guessing this is limited because of the onboard Vpp generator?
> Or are there probably other major differences?
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2001\02\09@141940 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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Ahh, the light begins to shine!  I am indeed working at 20MHz.  Does this
mean I won't be able to hit 20 Mhz with a 16LF877 part running at 3.3volts?

> {Original Message removed}

2001\02\09@143938 by Dipperstein, Michael

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Take a look at page 152 (figure 15-2) of the PICLF87X.  It shows the
relationship between voltage and maximum frequency.

-Mike
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2001\02\09@151728 by Gordon Varney (personal)

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Michael,
        Does the word B.I.N.G.O. Mean anything to you.

> Ahh, the light begins to shine!  I am indeed working at 20MHz.  Does this
> mean I won't be able to hit 20 Mhz with a 16LF877 part running at
> 3.3volts?
>

I'm sorry to be the one to bring bad news, but I had to find out the hard
way. Your situation is very much like over clocking (I didn't say that) the
processor. 3.3V at 20Mhz is like 5V at 40Mhz. Drop your osc to 10 Mhz in the
ICE and watch it work. (but slower)

The 16LF877 should work to 10Mhz at 3.3V, the 16F877, is rated at 4Mhz at
3.3V

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2001\02\11@205523 by o-8859-1?Q?K=FCbek_Tony?=

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Hi,
I can concure that the speed is very inportant when using the
ICE with 3.3 V. Myself I tried using the module for the 18x
series with 7.3728 Mhz * 4 ( PLL ) but even though it works
perfectly in 5V nothing worked with 3.3. V, however when disabling
the PLL and let it run 1:1 at 7.3728 things got brighter again :)
( and yeah BTW howcome the ICE200 for 18x series will *only* work
to 25Mhz ...very clever Microship.....yeah I know you can push it
but running at 40 Mhz..I doubt it..)


/Tony


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2001\02\12@025830 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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Thanks for the info.  I guess I should've RTFM :o)

Mike

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'[PICLIST] MPLAB ICE and Sleep'
2001\05\04@122425 by David VanHorn
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Haven't been able to get through to Mchip, so I'll ask here.

Running the F627, when I execute the sleep instruction, the ice breaks with
a stack underflow.

Is this normal?
Is there anything I can do about this?
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2001\05\04@130200 by Dipperstein, Michael

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I've been using the ICE with an 16F877 ever since the factory managed to ship
the processor modules.  I haven't noticed the stack underflows in sleep.  If I
try to reset or halt the ICE while it is asleep, I have to acknowledge a series
of pop-up windows with warnings, but stack underflows are not among the
warnings.

I have noticed that stack underflows will usually happen when the ICE is being
powered by the target, and the power is removed.  Among other things, the PIC I
use acts as a switching power supply, and if I halt the PIC in the wrong state,
I loose VDD.  More often then not, that results in a stack underflow.

Does VDD glitch when you sleep your processor?

-Mike
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2001\05\04@131907 by David VanHorn

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At 09:57 AM 5/4/01 -0700, Dipperstein, Michael wrote:
>I've been using the ICE with an 16F877 ever since the factory managed to ship
>the processor modules.  I haven't noticed the stack underflows in sleep.  If I
>try to reset or halt the ICE while it is asleep, I have to acknowledge a
>series
>of pop-up windows with warnings, but stack underflows are not among the
>warnings.

I finally got through to Mchip, and they say that it's a limitation of the
pod.
You have to run through sleep, not sstep.


>I have noticed that stack underflows will usually happen when the ICE is being
>powered by the target, and the power is removed.  Among other things, the
>PIC I
>use acts as a switching power supply, and if I halt the PIC in the wrong
>state,
>I loose VDD.  More often then not, that results in a stack underflow.

VBG  Sounds like a fellow I knew, who was debugging an impact printer with
an ice.
You really don't want to breakpoint when the print hammers are on..

>Does VDD glitch when you sleep your processor?

No.
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'[PICLIST] MPLAB ICE 2000'
2001\05\08@140434 by Edgard Oporto

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Dear Friends

I have bought emulator MPLAB ICE 2000, I am proving it but a condition of
sobrecurrent appears an error in the LED P indicating. The equipment is new.
I have disconnected all cables, nevertheless continues appearing the error.
I thank for any aid to them.

Edgard Oporto
Lima PERU

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'[PIC]: MPLAB ICE 2000 Problem'
2001\05\08@154634 by Edgard Oporto

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Dear Friends

I have bought emulator MPLAB ICE 2000, I am proving it but a condition of
sobrecurrent appears an error in the LED P indicating. The equipment is new.
I have disconnected all cables, nevertheless continues appearing the error.
I thank for any aid to them.

Edgard Oporto
Lima PERU

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2001\05\08@161711 by David VanHorn

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At 02:28 PM 5/8/01 -0500, Edgard Oporto wrote:
>Dear Friends
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>I have bought emulator MPLAB ICE 2000, I am proving it but a condition of
>sobrecurrent appears an error in the LED P indicating. The equipment is new.
>I have disconnected all cables, nevertheless continues appearing the error.
>I thank for any aid to them.

Edgard,

Try asking again in spanish.
I don't mean to offend, but I can not determine the problem, from what you
are saying.
We do have other piclisters who read spanish, and may then be able to help.

Again, no offense meant, I'm just trying to help you get help quickly.


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2001\05\08@163119 by Edgard Oporto

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In spanish:

Hemos adquirido un emulador de PICs, modelo MPLAB ICE 2000 de Microchip.
Hemos seguido toda la secuencia de conexion y encendido con mucho cuidado
dado que es la primera vez que agarro un equipo de este tipo.
Resulta que al encender el emulador (el POD) el led de POWER (P) parpadea
lentamente. Segun el manual es un error por condicion de sobrecorriente.
Hemos revizado y probado nuevamente, desconectando cables pero nada sigue
saliendo el mismo error.

Agradezco cualquier ayuda.
Edgard Oporto


> >I have bought emulator MPLAB ICE 2000, I am proving it but a condition of
> >sobrecurrent appears an error in the LED P indicating. The equipment is
new.
> >I have disconnected all cables, neverthele=ss continues appearing the
error.
> >I thank for any aid to them.
>
> Edgard,
>
> Try asking again in spanish.

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2001\05\08@163744 by William Bross

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Edgard,
Here is the section of the ICE2000 manual that describes the overcurrent
condition:

B.5.1 Power LED (P)
This LED is located on the front panel of the pod and is lit when the
system is
sufficiently powered.
The LED will turn off if the internal system voltage falls below a 4.65
(±5%)
volts, indicating a low power condition. If this occurs, power should be
removed until the cause of the low voltage is determined.
On pods with an electronic circuit breaker, the LED will blink if there is a
system fault. The rate of blinking determines the type of fault.
The system may be reset from a fault by turning off the pod and then
turning it
back on. If a condition persists, please contact Microchip support.

LED Condition
On      System is sufficiently powered.
Off     No or low power condition.
Blinking Fault detected.

Blink Rate Meaning
2 per second    Overcurrent condition (more than 3 A.)
8 per second    Undervoltage condition (equal to or less than 4.65V.)
3 rapid, pause, 3 rapid Undervoltage condition on processor module.

It looks to me like if the fault can not be cleared by cycling the power it
will have to go back to Microchip.

Bill

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>I have bought emulator MPLAB ICE 2000, I am proving it but a condition of
>sobrecurrent appears an error in the LED P indicating. The equipment is
new.
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'[PICLIST] MPLAB ICE'
2002\07\02@082024 by Dinho AeS
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------ 2002\07\02@083339 by Rick C.
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Depends on what you want to do. The ICD is sufficient for most projects
and is affordable.
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Dinho AeS wrote:

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------ 2002\07\02@084241 by Dinho AeS
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Hi Rick,

I'm dealing with communications (USART, I2C, etc) I have 3 uC talking
with each other, and I need to stop the processing when I receive one
specific data from I2C for instance. It's possible to do with ICD?

Thanks

Dinho

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2002\07\02@090116 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I'm dealing with communications (USART, I2C, etc) I have
>3 uC talking with each other, and I need to stop the
>processing when I receive one specific data from I2C for
>instance. It's possible to do with ICD?

I am doing a project with similar requirements, and am using an ICD. It is a
pain in some respects for several reasons.

1. There is only 1 breakpoint available, and it cannot be set to break on a
data word change (do not know if this is possible with ICE).

2. When the program does break, all the hardware peripherals stop, so if you
have the usart transmitting a character, and it is half sent when the break
happens then the character sent is corrupted. Likewise receiving a
character. This means you have to put trap points at carefully planned
places in your code, and may need to set up code loops that wait for an
operation to complete before passing through the trap point.

3. You cannot single step background code and have an interrupt proceed.
This occurs because the ICD handler is an interrupt of its own, and has
priority over the normal interrupt routine. You have to set a breakpoint
inside the interrupt routine or have a trap point that waits for the
interrupt to complete (e.g. by using flags). Remember that while you single
step the interrupt or any other code that the hardware peripherals are not
operating - it is very similar to running the MPLAB simulator except there
peripherals like the timers do work correctly, and interrupts happen, during
single step.

I have not looked at the ICE facilities, but would imagine that it would
avoid these problems.

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2002\07\02@093454 by mike

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It depends on how much you value your time. In any commercial environment, a proper ICE will pay for itself in
saved development time pretty quickly. This becomes more the case as
projects become more complex. Once you've used an ICE you will wonder how you ever lived without
one.  
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:21:20 -0300, you wrote:

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2002\07\02@105910 by Rick C.

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Dittos

"Alan B. Pearce" wrote:

> >I'm dealing with communications (USART, I2C, etc) I have
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> I am doing a project with similar requirements, and am using an ICD. It is a
> pain in some respects for several reasons.
>
> 1. There is only 1 breakpoint available, and it cannot be set to break on a
> data word change (do not know if this is possible with ICE).
>
>

I believe MPLAB's new 32 bit vesion has multiple breakpoints.
Rick

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2002\07\02@111517 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I believe MPLAB's new 32 bit vesion has multiple breakpoints.
>Rick

In the F87x ICD ?? I understand this is a hardware limitation of the chip,
which has only one breakpoint register.

The MPLAB Simulator certainly has always (AFAIK) had multiple breakpoints.

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2002\07\02@113539 by mike

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:15:30 +0100, you wrote:

>>I believe MPLAB's new 32 bit vesion has multiple breakpoints.
>>Rick
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>In the F87x ICD ?? I understand this is a hardware limitation of the chip,
>which has only one breakpoint register.
>
>The MPLAB Simulator certainly has always (AFAIK) had multiple breakpoints.
I thought the breakpoints were done by reprogramming the code location
to jump into the monitor - or maybe I'm thinking of someone else's
product here....?

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2002\07\02@122213 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I thought the breakpoints were done by reprogramming the
>code location to jump into the monitor - or maybe I'm
>thinking of someone else's product here....?

Well this would require reprogramming the flash memory each time you reached
a breakpoint. If you check the ICD document you will find the registers at
184/5 (IIRC) form a breakpoint register that gets set with the trap address.

It is certainly the way that products like Codeview and other debuggers for
Microsoft products work. :)

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2002\07\03@083125 by mike

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:21:27 +0100, you wrote:

>>I thought the breakpoints were done by reprogramming the
>>code location to jump into the monitor - or maybe I'm
>>thinking of someone else's product here....?
>
>Well this would require reprogramming the flash memory each time you reached
>a breakpoint. But as the flash is byte program/eraseable, this is not necessarily a
problem - I'm sure I've seen one system that does this.

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'[PIC]: MPLAB ICE2000 for auction'
2002\12\28@235812 by Clive Levinson
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I have a complete MPLAB ICE2000 for auction on Ebay:
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3103499784
this is complete including all cables, power supply, etc.
Includes two Processor Modules:
PCM17XA0: for PIC17C42A, 43,44,752,756,756A,76X
PCM16XK0: for PIC16F87X
and two Device Adapters:
DVA16XP401, DVA17Xl680.
Thanks,
Clive


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'[PIC]: MPLAB ICE2000 auction - 1 day left'
2003\01\03@022924 by Clive Levinson
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A complete MPLAB ICE2000 for auction on Ebay:
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3103499784
this is complete including all cables, power supply, etc.
Includes two Processor Modules:
PCM17XA0: for PIC17C42A, 43,44,752,756,756A,76X
PCM16XK0: for PIC16F87X
and two Device Adapters:
DVA16XP401, DVA17Xl680.
Thanks,
Clive

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'[AD]: Mplab ICE 2000 for sale any offer ?'
2003\05\22@130050 by andre abelian
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Hi to all.
I have mplab ICE 2000  for sale with or without processor module
I paid 2000$ for main Pod 450$ for Processor module and 150$ for
adaptor.
Reason: I have 2 of them and I want to buy ICE4000. I also have extra
Promate 2
For sale any offer please e-mail me   KILLspamandreKILLspamspamditechnology.com

Andre Abelian
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'[AD]: Mplab ICE 2000 modules, POD , for sale and t'
2003\11\03@142146 by Andre Abelian
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Hi to all,

I am selling some of my processor modules and my emulator POD
until I find new job. Here is the list

1.      PCM16XB0
2.      PCM18XA0
3.      PCM16XH1
4.      PCM16XE1
5.      PCM16XB1

Also MPLAB ICE 2000 POD without the power supply and stand I left them
in hotel on my last seminar. I have 2 PICMASTER emulator with lots of
probes. I I need PCM12XA0 to trade with one of my processor module.

I do not have price list so make your offer every thing I bought new.

Andre

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'[PIC] MPLAB ICE 2000, Serial Interrupt problem ??'
2004\04\21@173420 by MSullivan
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I am having a problem:

Running code using Uart 1 and Uart 2,  and priority levels enabled...

I have the serial interrupt as the low priority, and a timer interrupt as high priortiy..

I am losing bytes of serial data.   This seems to be a problem with the emulator only.

Has anyone come across it, and know if there is a fix for it ?

Mark Sullivan

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'[OT] was Re: MPLAB ICE2000 on Sale at Digikey'
2005\02\10@201909 by Bob Axtell
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Maybe _I_ could be a trophy husband...?
Sounds like a better line of work than a dentist...

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life, but in this life I was an electronics engineer.
Obviously, I went from bad to worse.

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'[AD]: MPLAB ICE 2000 for sale'
2005\04\12@200250 by Andre Abelian
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Hi to all engineers,

I like to sale my 2 MPLAB ICE 2000 emulators
If any one interested please e-mail
spamBeGoneandrespamBeGonespamditechnology.com


Andre



'[PIC] Looking for MPLAB ICE2000 module & device ad'
2007\10\01@165420 by Dwayne Reid
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Good day to all.

I'm looking to purchase a PCM16YD0 module and DVA16XP141 device
adapter.  These provide pic16f630 & pic16f676 support for the MPLAB
ICE2000 in circuit emulator.

Anyone have a spare or used unit available?  They are currently in
stock at Digikey but I'd prefer to purchase used devices at lower
cost if possible.  Payment via PayPal or whatever other method works for you.

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Many thanks!

dwayne

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Dwayne Reid   <RemoveMEdwaynerspamTakeThisOuTplanet.eon.net>
Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd    Edmonton, AB, CANADA
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Custom Electronics Design and Manufacturing


'[BUY] MPLAB ICE 2000 for sale'
2009\11\23@145530 by Darren Gibbs
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I have two MPLAB ICE 2000s w/PCM17XA0 modules, 2 PICDEM17 boards, only one tripod and set of logic probes.  Power supplies gone missing.  Haven't been used in about 4 years but were working fine.  Anyone interested?  I can ship, but prefer local to Bay Area.  Any reasonable offer accepted.


'[BUY] MPLAB ICE 2000 for sale'
2009\12\10@075724 by Bob Axtell
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Darren Gibbs wrote:
> I have two MPLAB ICE 2000s w/PCM17XA0 modules, 2 PICDEM17 boards,

I received the units today. One unit has a problem and won't work. The
other works fine.
That's all I need, really.

Thanks again.

--Bob A

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