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2001\05\11@184328 by Dale Botkin

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I've read the FCC stuff...  what other testing is required by law in the
US?  UL? Anything other than FCC?  I've been wondering.

Dale

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2001\05\11@194649 by David VanHorn

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At 05:44 PM 5/11/01 -0500, Dale Botkin wrote:
>I've read the FCC stuff...  what other testing is required by law in the
>US?  UL? Anything other than FCC?  I've been wondering.

Depends on what you're doing.  UL is one notable, and there's part 68 for
phone-connected devices.

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2001\05\11@211125 by Dale Botkin

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On Fri, 11 May 2001, David VanHorn wrote:

> At 05:44 PM 5/11/01 -0500, Dale Botkin wrote:
> >I've read the FCC stuff...  what other testing is required by law in the
> >US?  UL? Anything other than FCC?  I've been wondering.
>
> Depends on what you're doing.  UL is one notable, and there's part 68 for
> phone-connected devices.

Where can one find this out?  I've always wondered whether (for example)
UL certification is a "MUST" for legal reasons or a "SHOULD" for
marketing/safety/liability reasons.  The FCC stuff is, of course, a MUST,
but I don't know where else to look.  Of course I suppose there is a
specific breed of attorney that could tell me this for a substantial fee.

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2001\05\11@213451 by David VanHorn

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At 08:12 PM 5/11/01 -0500, Dale Botkin wrote:
>On Fri, 11 May 2001, David VanHorn wrote:
>
> > At 05:44 PM 5/11/01 -0500, Dale Botkin wrote:
> > >I've read the FCC stuff...  what other testing is required by law in the
> > >US?  UL? Anything other than FCC?  I've been wondering.
> >
> > Depends on what you're doing.  UL is one notable, and there's part 68 for
> > phone-connected devices.
>
>Where can one find this out?  I've always wondered whether (for example)
>UL certification is a "MUST" for legal reasons or a "SHOULD" for
>marketing/safety/liability reasons.  The FCC stuff is, of course, a MUST,
>but I don't know where else to look.  Of course I suppose there is a
>specific breed of attorney that could tell me this for a substantial fee.

Your customers, or your insurers, will drive you to UL.
AFAIK, It's not legally required, but I'm not current in that area.
You're right though, there's a million federal regulations that you are
apparently supposed to have read and memorized in school... Ignorance is no
excuse as they say.

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2001\05\12@022422 by Nigel Goodwin

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In message <4.3.2.7.2.20010511184531.0241a450spamspam_OUTmail.cedar.net>, David
VanHorn <@spam@dvanhornKILLspamspamCEDAR.NET> writes
>At 05:44 PM 5/11/01 -0500, Dale Botkin wrote:
>>I've read the FCC stuff...  what other testing is required by law in the
>>US?  UL? Anything other than FCC?  I've been wondering.
>
>Depends on what you're doing.  UL is one notable, and there's part 68 for
>phone-connected devices.

My boss was recently on a visit in the far east, the factories out there
will put any label you want on the products with no testing whatsoever!.

There's a 'newish' European mark CE, which is to do with the amount of
interference a unit generates, and how susceptible to interference it
is. This sort of testing is extremely difficult, and there doesn't
appear to be any standard tests for doing so.
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2001\05\12@023127 by Harold M Hallikainen

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       For a little more on safety testing, see
http://www.osha-slc.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/faq_nrtl.html for info on
Nationally Recognized Testing Labs and what products OSHA requires
testing on.

Harold

On Fri, 11 May 2001 20:12:23 -0500 Dale Botkin <RemoveMEdaleTakeThisOuTspamBOTKIN.ORG> writes:
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2001\05\12@024231 by Harold M Hallikainen

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On Sat, 12 May 2001 07:20:56 +0100 Nigel Goodwin <TakeThisOuTnigelgEraseMEspamspam_OUTLPILSLEY.CO.UK>
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       There are a ton (metric ton, of course) of European standards (and I'm
sure some on the list deal with them every day). They are often broken
into product categories, then deal with EMC (both emissions and
susceptibility) and safety as a separate standard in each product
category.
       It's my understanding that you "self certify" compliance (and apply the
CE mark). The manual on the product includes a Declaration of Conformity
that lists all the standards the product complies with.  A DOC of one of
our products appears below. You must also have a Technical File that
shows the design and the test results that were used in determining
conformity with the standards. The importer (who is bringing the product
into the European Community) is to present the technical file to a
government representative that asks for it.
       We ran this stuff through a lab. With several products we were out
$30,000 or so by the time we were done. I was not really satisfied with
the lab. They were unaware of some of the appropriate standards, etc. A
great resource for this stuff is news:sci.engr.electrical.compliance

Harold




11 - Declaration of Conformity

       We, Dove Lighting Systems, Inc. Of 3563 Sueldo Street,
Suite E, San Luis Obispo, CA 93401, USA, declare that Theatrical
Light Dimmer model numbers DM406 and DM410, in accordance
with the following Directives:

(       73/23/EEC - The Low Voltage Directive and its amending
directives

(       89/336/EEC - The Electromagnetic Compatibility Direc-
tive and its amending directives



Have been designed and manufactured to the following specifica-
tions:

(       EN 50081-1 (1992) Electromagnetic compatibility - Ge-
neric Emission Standard - Part 1: Residential, commercial, and
light industry.

(       EN 55022 Class A Radiated Emissions

(       EN 55022 Class A Conducted Emissions

(       FCC Part 15 Subpart B (1998) Electromagnetic compatibil-
ity - Unintentional radiators for nonresidential use.

(       Section 15.109(b) Class A Radiated Emissions

(       Section 15.107(b) Class A Conducted Emissions

(       EN 60335-1 Safety Household Appliances

(       UL 508A, 1996, First Edition - Safety for Industrial Con-
trol Equipment

(       CAN/CSA (C22.2 No. 14-95) Industrial Control Equip-
ment







Signed by ___________________________

Gary Dove, President, Dove Lighting Systems, San Luis Obispo,
CA 93401 USA

27 December 2000


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