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'[PICLIST] Eagle tutorials?'
2002\02\25@120302 by Chris Loiacono

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When discussing the various CAD packages last week I recall someone
mentioning that Eagle required a somewhat different perspective on the
user's part.
I have looked and found only drawing files that are labeled as tutorials,
but no actual tutorials. Can someone give me a nudge in the right direction
please?

TIA, Chris

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2002\02\25@120656 by Chris Loiacono

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oops! I can't believe I did this again...at least I caught it and added the
topic....

When discussing the various CAD packages last week I recall someone
mentioning that Eagle required a somewhat different perspective on the
user's part.
I have looked and found only drawing files that are labeled as tutorials,
but no actual tutorials. Can someone give me a nudge in the right direction
please?

TIA, Chris

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2002\02\25@121928 by Jim

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I think I mentioned the tutorials - as I had been
using another package (7 yrs ago now?) and it was
good to be guided step by step in the use of Eagle.

At the time it was DOS based - the Windows version is
easier to learn!

I prowled CadsoftUsa's aite and found a tuturial in
the form of a zip file. The file is in the Documentation
section at the http://www.cadsoftusa.com website:

www.cadsoft.de/cgi-bin/download.pl?page=/home/cadsoft/html_public/dow
nload.htm.en&dir=pub/userfiles/doc


I don't know if this is the same one that shipped years
ago with my first Eagle or not - please let us know what you
think in any case.

Jim


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2002\02\25@123805 by Chris Loiacono

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Thanks Jim, will do.
I had been looking at the .de site. I guess I never would have found it.
C
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> I don't know if this is the same one that shipped years
> ago with my first Eagle or not - please let us know what you
> think in any case.
>
> Jim
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2002\02\25@154645 by Joris van den Heuvel

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I believe you can download the tutorials in PDF form, from their website
http://www.cadsoftusa.com

I'm taking my first steps with Eagle (after all it's free for non-profit
purposes) and have been completely amazed so far.

Regards,
Joris.


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2002\02\25@155433 by Tal Bejerano - AMC

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Joris

Isn't it awesome? I like it very much, even the small sized pcb you can edit

Tal

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I believe you can download the tutorials in PDF form, from their website
http://www.cadsoftusa.com

I'm taking my first steps with Eagle (after all it's free for non-profit
purposes) and have been completely amazed so far.

Regards,
Joris.


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> When discussing the various CAD packages last week I recall someone
> mentioning that Eagle required a somewhat different perspective on the
> user's part.
> I have looked and found only drawing files that are labeled as tutorials,
> but no actual tutorials. Can someone give me a nudge in the right
direction
> please?
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> TIA, Chris
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2002\02\25@165711 by uter van ooijen & floortje hanneman

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I just downloaded and Eagle and started using it. It might ahve helped that
I had virtually no previous experience in circuit capture or PCB design.
(IMHO using Vutrax does not count as such) I found Eagle very easy to
understand, which is just as well, beuase the help and tutorial are
absolutely useless (they talk about a sort of command line interface that
has no relation with the mouse interface). Still a very good product for the
hobbyist, especially considering the price ;)

Wouter

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2002\02\25@170527 by Jinx

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> (IMHO using Vutrax does not count as such) I found Eagle
> very easy to understand, which is just as well, beuase the
> help and tutorial are absolutely useless

Did you download the manuals too ? Much fuller than the
in-built help

> Still a very good product for the hobbyist, especially
> considering the price ;)

And if you don't like it, fully refundable ;-) Heck, you could
put that $0.00 back in the coffers right now, ready to spend
on the next freebie

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2002\02\25@225636 by dpharris

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I think the turoial is in spanish.  I just jumped in, there was only a few
gotya's.  Give it a try, and start small ;-)
David

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2002\02\26@012224 by uter van ooijen & floortje hanneman

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> Did you download the manuals too ? Much fuller than the
> in-built help

I guess not, I tried to read the turtorial but gave up. Trial-and-error gave
the answers much quicker.

Wouter

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2002\02\26@132105 by Joris van den Heuvel

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Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

> > Did you download the manuals too ? Much fuller than the
> > in-built help
>
> I guess not, I tried to read the turtorial but gave up. Trial-and-error
gave
> the answers much quicker.

Not for me, for now.

But still, I'm getting the idea that the tutorial is for the absolute
beginner, and is set up in an illogical manner.

Which brings me to this question: how can I fatten up the ground net or any
other net or trace for that matter? The "change" feature is completely
blurry to me, and every attempt to "change" anything results in an illogical
action. Boy, is that user interface illogical!

The autorouter, however, absolutely rocks! But what do all those cost items
mean?

Next question: on a single sided board, how can I insert bridge wires? I
only need 2 or 3 in order to stay single sided for my current project.

Anybody who has only a tiny bit more experience might easily answer these
questions.


Regards,
Joris.

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2002\02\26@142145 by Jim

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> Which brings me to this question: how can I fatten up the ground net or
any
> other net or trace for that matter? The "change" feature is completely

Do:

 Change | Width | <value>

from the command line or the menu.

Can someone answer him about bridge wires (I've only
done single sided boards)?

I just had an idea - what about just wiring on the
bottom for single sided - and your 'bridge' wires
will be on the top and connected with wires using
the pads that will show up as the vias?


Jim

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2002\02\26@143211 by Bob Barr

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On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:21:11 -0600, Jim wrote:


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>Can someone answer him about bridge wires (I've only
>done single sided boards)?
>
>I just had an idea - what about just wiring on the
>bottom for single sided - and your 'bridge' wires
>will be on the top and connected with wires using
>the pads that will show up as the vias?
>

Couldn't you just insert a 0 ohm resistor in the signal you need to
bridge?

Regards, Bob

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2002\02\26@162558 by David P. Harris

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Hi-
1/ I don't have a problem with the change feature.  Choose: change, width, 0.04
(say), and left click on a board trace, it should immediately change width.  You
will need to touch each segment of the trace.  You can define classes, eg power,
and make them different widths.
2/ the cost items allow you to mofiy the behaviour of the autorouter, so if you
want less vias, you just make them more expensive, etc.  Sounds real simple ...
3/ to do single sided you set the prefeerences in the autoroute (1st page) -
means you want this side to be horizontal traces, | vertical, / diagonal, * any
direction, N/A NONE.  So, you want N/A.

From one newby to the next,
David

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2002\02\26@170108 by Jim

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   > Couldn't you just insert a 0 ohm resistor in the signal
     you need to bridge?

Workable I suppose, but the parts list will start
to build up and the name for the signal/trace won't
be there from start to finish.

I think using the bottom (blue) for the *real* trace
and the top (red) for the 'jumper' traces is the way
to go (or vice versa) - one can set the via pad size
and drill size as required for the guage of the 'bridge'
wire to be used.

But, again, all I've ever done have been double-sided
boards and this has just been conjecture on my part!

Jim


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2002\02\26@172414 by Colin Constant

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Ah, that's a help.  In my case I was confused because there didn't seem to be
any way to select anything.
One question:  is there a way to define your own pad shapes?

Regards,
Colin



Hi-
1/ I don't have a problem with the change feature.  Choose: change, width, 0.04
(say), and left click on a board trace, it should immediately change width.
You
will need to touch each segment of the trace.  You can define classes, eg
power,
and make them different widths.
2/ the cost items allow you to mofiy the behaviour of the autorouter, so if you
want less vias, you just make them more expensive, etc.  Sounds real simple ...
3/ to do single sided you set the prefeerences in the autoroute (1st page) -
means you want this side to be horizontal traces, | vertical, / diagonal, * any
direction, N/A NONE.  So, you want N/A.

From one newby to the next,
David

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2002\02\26@203754 by David P. Harris

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No, but there is a selection of pad shapes.  While in the board layout, Edit>Design
Rules>Shapes and you can override the pad shapes.

I tried laying out a board with one layer, and it kept getting stuck.  I manually
inserted a trace with vias to the top, and then continued the autoroute.

By the way, centre mouse button will change from botoom to top while manually
laying traces.

David

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2002\02\27@025757 by BENEDICIC SAMO

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Hi,  Joris!

The method Jim mentioned  works. You simply route on bottom side to the
point where you want to have  bridge wire, click once to stop there, then
you click on LAYER window (you drag the wire with you, but that doesn't
matter), click on TOP layer and continue routing. Signal wire will change
colour and pad will be inserted there automatically. You route the bridge
wire and then you once again change layer to BOTTOM the way I described
before. You can change size and shape of the VIA pad by clicking
EDIT/CHANGE, then SHAPE or DIAMETER or DRILL, choose what you want and left
click on the pad. But I preffer  to do that a bit differently - I first
place pads ( before routing ) to the place I want that bridge and then route
the wire the same way as above. Hope that helps, regards,
                                                                                                               Samo

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2002\02\27@100953 by Lawrence Lile

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Yes, using the top layer for your links is exactly the right way to route a
1 sided board.  There are also some autorouter control files that will
create straight tracks on the top layer, useful for autorouting a 1-sided
board.

Look on the EAGLE download section for 1-side.ctl or a similar file, and try
out the autorouter.

--Lawrence

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> Hi,  Joris!
>
> The method Jim mentioned  works. You simply route on bottom side to the
> point where you want to have  bridge wire, click once to stop there, then
> you click on LAYER window (you drag the wire with you, but that doesn't
> matter), click on TOP layer and continue routing. Signal wire will change
> colour and pad will be inserted there automatically. You route the bridge
> wire and then you once again change layer to BOTTOM the way I described
> before. You can change size and shape of the VIA pad by clicking
> EDIT/CHANGE, then SHAPE or DIAMETER or DRILL, choose what you want and
left
> click on the pad. But I preffer  to do that a bit differently - I first
> place pads ( before routing ) to the place I want that bridge and then
route
> the wire the same way as above. Hope that helps, regards,
>
Samo
>
> {Original Message removed}

2002\02\27@113307 by Colin Constant

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I just had a look in the "Jumper" library.  I think what you need is under "J".

Regards,
Colin





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Yes, using the top layer for your links is exactly the right way to route a
1 sided board.  There are also some autorouter control files that will
create straight tracks on the top layer, useful for autorouting a 1-sided
board.

Look on the EAGLE download section for 1-side.ctl or a similar file, and try
out the autorouter.

--Lawrence

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> Hi,  Joris!
>
> The method Jim mentioned  works. You simply route on bottom side to the
> point where you want to have  bridge wire, click once to stop there, then
> you click on LAYER window (you drag the wire with you, but that doesn't
> matter), click on TOP layer and continue routing. Signal wire will change
> colour and pad will be inserted there automatically. You route the bridge
> wire and then you once again change layer to BOTTOM the way I described
> before. You can change size and shape of the VIA pad by clicking
> EDIT/CHANGE, then SHAPE or DIAMETER or DRILL, choose what you want and
left
> click on the pad. But I preffer  to do that a bit differently - I first
> place pads ( before routing ) to the place I want that bridge and then
route
> the wire the same way as above. Hope that helps, regards,
>
Samo
>
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