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2000\12\05@221736 by John Waters

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Hi All,

Is there any experienced Palm user around?

I plan to buy a Palm Handhelds, but am considering whether to pick the
original Palm III or a compatible like the "Visor" from Handspring. Can
anyone give a recommendation?

Thanks in advance!

John



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2000\12\05@225650 by Dale Botkin

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, John Waters wrote:

> I plan to buy a Palm Handhelds, but am considering whether to pick the
> original Palm III or a compatible like the "Visor" from Handspring. Can
> anyone give a recommendation?

I use a Palm V (well, IBM Workpad, same thing) but plan to get my wife a
Visor for Christmas.  I've looked at the Visor and the Palm III, and I
like the Visor better for the money and features.  Software is the same.

Dale
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2000\12\06@002708 by Scott Newell

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>Is there any experienced Palm user around?

More of a developer than a user, but I'll forge ahead anyway.


>I plan to buy a Palm Handhelds, but am considering whether to pick the
>original Palm III or a compatible like the "Visor" from Handspring. Can
>anyone give a recommendation?

I like the III series, especially the IIIxe.  The original III is to be
avoided unless someone is just giving it to you (the later models have much
better screen contrast).  The IIIe is pretty cheap, but OS is in rom, not
flash, so you're pretty much limited to minor OS patches, instead of
version upgrades.   IIIxe gets you a lot of memory and flash at a fairly
attractive price.  The IIIc and V models have internal lithium batteries
instead of two AAA cells, so you've got to be more diligent about using the
charging cradle.  I think the IIIc is overpriced.

The new M100 is very similar to a IIIe, with the latest OS in a slightly
smaller form factor.  The display is smaller (same resolution--smaller
pixels) and seems to be a little less fragile than the other III series
displays.

Visors are kinda neat, but the standard USB cradle can be a problem for NT
machines or development.  Some of the serial port handshaking lines are
missing on the Visor.  The newest Visors are running a slightly faster
processor.  I don't like the placement of the IrDA port on the Visor.

I have access to a IIIe, IIIxe, III, IIIx, and Visor.  The III holds my
personal stuff, and the IIIxe is my dev machine.


newell

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2000\12\06@010718 by Stephen B Webb

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> original Palm III or a compatible like the "Visor" from Handspring. Can
> anyone give a recommendation?

I own a Palm Vx, and I love it.  If I were going to buy one of the more
"bulky" models (no, of course they aren't really that bulky..nothingl like
a Pocket PC or anything :)  I would definitely consider the Handspring
visor models.

It depends on what you plan on using it for, I guess.  I would personally
like to have the option of expanding it (ie get the Visor), but if you
don't have any interest in expansion, maybe the Palm is the better choice.

What I have noticed:  The palm version seems (ie feels) a bit sturdier.
The OS is contained in flash memory, and is thus upgradable (in many
models, at least) wheras the visor models arent (in most models, anyway).
The IR port  on the visor models is on the side (as opposed to the front
onthe palm) which doesn't mean much unless you plan on using the IR port.


So, for me it boils down to this:

If I were buying a palm 3 or visor model today, I would get the visor with
the intention of upgrading with a wireless networking "sringboard" module.
I'm not claiming that htey have one now, but I'm certain they will.
However, if I didn't tink I would upgrade via the springboard within a
year, I would likely buy the palm model and then buy a *new* wireless
enabled model (from whoever is doing well at the time) in a year or so.


I hope that helps more than it confuses.

-Steve

P.S.  good choice going with a PalmOS version rather than PocketPC.
PocketPC is too clunky (size-wise as well as interface wise) to be useful,
IMHO.

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2000\12\06@011217 by embedded

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It is like asking "what computer is the best" without knowing what it is going to be used for.  Or which "which president is the best" without knowing if
you would rather suck a baby's brains out or nuke china?  It is suprising how many answer without knowing the question.  *If* all you want is somewhere to
put phone numbers and notes, and a calculator (like me, except for a rare game of solitare), two megs will go a long way.  Both Handspring and Palm have
units for about 150 USD.  I have the Palm M100 and like the protective flip-up shield.  Everyone seems to like something different, as you can see by the
various responses.  Let's just keep the attourneys out of this one :)

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:17:36 -0500, John Waters wrote:

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2000\12\06@020116 by Dan Michaels

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John Waters wrote:
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>I plan to buy a Palm Handhelds, but am considering whether to pick the
>original Palm III or a compatible like the "Visor" from Handspring. Can
>anyone give a recommendation?
>

Hi John, I'm not very experienced with Palms, but I did just
buy my first one on Sunday - so I'll give you the feelings
of a Palm newbie.

Got a IIIxe, and will tell you why I decided on this particular
one. 8MB RAM, OS upgradeable, not interested in RF modem email or
using it to websurf [don't plan to get a cellular phone either].
Uses 2 AAA cells - didn't want to have to worry about "another"
damn thing with battery charging. Don't really care about color
screen.

Many people like the Visor because of its expansion port. However,
it does appear to only come std with USB cable nowadays. And after
surfing around the Visor website for about 20 minutes regarding
upgradability of the OS, I finally discovered - buried deep down
in some obscure page - that the Visor OS is NOT upgradeable - you
need to plug a module into the expansion port to run a newer OS.

This alone caused me not to want to buy the Visor - although
in truth I don't really know how important OS upgradability is.
I do know that Alice Campbell has upgraded her Palm Pro OS a
couple of times.

I plan to use my Palm mainly to talk to my little PIC dataloggers
and SBC devices via the RS-232 port or possibly via IR - and
I decided the IIIxe would be a good platform for this. I plan
to write my own Palm apps to do this, and have been gathering
links about Palm h.w. and s.w. hacking on my site:

http://www.oricomtech.com/emerge2.htm

Lastly, right now Palm has a $50 holidays mail-in rebate,
plus I bought the IIIxe at Best Buy this past sunday, where it
was already priced $50 off list --> $150 total - heck of a deal.

hope this helps,
- Dan Michaels
Oricom Technologies
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2000\12\06@113128 by Dan Larson

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:10:56 +0800, EraseMEembeddedspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTelucit.com wrote:

>It is like asking "what computer is the best" without knowing what it is going to be used for.  Or which "which president is the best" without knowing if
>you would rather suck a baby's brains out or nuke china?  It is suprising how many answer without knowing the question.  *If* all you want is somewhere to
>put phone numbers and notes, and a calculator (like me, except for a rare game of solitare), two megs will go a long way.  Both Handspring and Palm have
>units for about 150 USD.  I have the Palm M100 and like the protective flip-up shield.  Everyone seems to like something different, as you can see by the
>various responses.  Let's just keep the attourneys out of this one :)
>

I've seen the Palm IIIe on sale for $129 at Best Buy recently. I suppose they
are being obsoleted by the M100. The Palm IIIxe (with 8MB) is going for
$199 now, on sale I believe.

Dan

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