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2001\12\30@203834 by Jinx

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> Best wishes to You for 2002 year - a lot of health, peace and
> happiness, money for nothing, and to work only when You
> wish to :) !!HNY!!
>
> Best regards
> Milan

We can only hope that ought-two will be better than ought-one
but the cynic in me says that people still won't see the goodness
right under their noses

When you see so many "grownups" behaving the way they do,
it starts to make you a little selfish doesn't it ? Look after number
one and let these so-called adults just get on with business as
usual, filling our news with pointless misery. It's tempting to
ignore the world sometimes, but if we could all help someone
as much as we help ourselves then at least we can say we tried

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2001\12\30@204827 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>When you see so many "grownups" behaving the way they do,
>it starts to make you a little selfish doesn't it ? Look after number
>one and let these so-called adults just get on with business as
>usual, filling our news with pointless misery. It's tempting to
>ignore the world sometimes, but if we could all help someone
>as much as we help ourselves then at least we can say we tried

       Jinx, remember our fathers said the same ;o)


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2001\12\30@214244 by Jinx

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> >ignore the world sometimes, but if we could all help
> someone as much as we help ourselves then at least we
> can say we tried

>         Jinx, remember our fathers said the same ;o)

And how many around the world think "You killed my father,
I'm going to kill yours" or "You did something 500 years
ago and we haven't forgotten". On an individual level it's
almost petty

An optimist might look at globalisation and say good, every
one will depend on everyone else for a living - an end to
fighting. A pessimist might see it as the complete opposite -
strings being pulled from distant lands, rebellion, civil wars
for self-determination

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2001\12\30@222605 by Mark Newland

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Jinx wrote:

> And how many around the world think "You killed my father,
> I'm going to kill yours"

Reminds me of that line from "The Neverending Story" where he said
something to the effect of "I am _________, you have killed my father,
now prepare to die" about 6 times during his battle.  Of course my
favorite line was from Billy Crystal, "Have fun storming the castle".

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2001\12\30@224023 by Benjamin Bromilow

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Wasn't that "Prince's Bride"?...........
Directed by Rob Reiner

Ben
"I know something you do not.....
....You see I also am left-handed :)"

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2001\12\30@224636 by Jinx

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> > And how many around the world think "You killed my father,
> > I'm going to kill yours"
>
> Reminds me of that line from "The Neverending Story" where
> he said something to the effect of "I am _________, you have
> killed my father, now prepare to die" about 6 times during his
> battle.  Of course my favorite line was from Billy Crystal, "Have
> fun storming the castle"

"Neverending" sounded a bit long for me so I missed that one.

Two things I saw last night I think illustrate how the world is,
if you allow the populist media to influence you

First was 5 minutes (all I can stomach, waiting for another
program) of WWF. I'm just speechless at the insanity of it

The second was a documentary about the two Woodstocks -
'69 and '99. What a change, and an indictment. '69, as we all
know and will always remember, was 3 Days Of Peace And
Love. The travesty that was Woodstock '99 (Woodstock in
name only) was a riot waiting to happen. Which it did, and
forever tainted the name Woodstock. The attitude of concert-
goers at '99 was saddening to say the least. "We paid $150
to get in, we can do whatever the f*** we like". When Wavy
Gravy (unofficial nice cop from '69) got on stage to calm
things down, he was left in doubt what a "f***ed-up old hippy"
could do with himself. They want to get on and trash themselves
to Limp Bizkit. Who as a band I don't mind, but LB and their
ilk (Korn etc) have this pernicious violence about them that
I don't like. It will be interesting (!!!) to see what state today's
teenagers will be in when they're 30

'scuse my asterisks

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2001\12\30@225256 by Mark Newland

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Yes, my mistake!  "Prince's Bride" it was.

Benjamin Bromilow wrote:

> Wasn't that "Prince's Bride"?...........
> Directed by Rob Reiner
>
> Ben
> "I know something you do not.....
> ....You see I also am left-handed :)"
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2001\12\31@003011 by Brandon Fosdick

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Jinx wrote:
> First was 5 minutes (all I can stomach, waiting for another
> program) of WWF. I'm just speechless at the insanity of it

After putting up with my roomates' absolute obscession with that show
for the last three years I've come to realize that's its just a soap
opera. Its noisy, cheesy, poorly written, poorly acted, dramatic and
episodic. It has a cast of characters that alternate between getting
along and hating each other, they all have a story that you have to
understand for any of it to make sense, and popular characters that
leave will always come back. From that perspecitve its just the same as
daytime soaps or 90210 or dawson's creek, etc... The main difference is
that it's geared towards the likes of a different crowd. Daytime soaps
were originally for housewives, and 90210/dawson's creek are for some
species that I have yet to identify. WWF is for people that like their
soap opera delivered from a wrestling ring. To each his own.

Thats not to say that I like WWF, I've merely come to recognize its
right to exist. Barely.

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I'm willing to bet that the very same question was asked about the
hippies not too many decades ago.

> 'scuse my asterisks

<rant>
Why do people do that? If you leave enough letters there to know what
the word is, you might as well have just written it out. Not that it
really matters, it just strikes me as silly.
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2001\12\31@003417 by Brandon Fosdick

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Benjamin Bromilow wrote:
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> Wasn't that "Prince's Bride"?...........
> Directed by Rob Reiner

"Princess Bride"

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2001\12\31@010331 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>were originally for housewives, and 90210/dawson's creek are for some
>species that I have yet to identify. WWF is for people that like their
>soap opera delivered from a wrestling ring. To each his own.

       Young people with no brains, and lots of money on the pocket - or at least wanna-bees ;o)))

>Thats not to say that I like WWF, I've merely come to recognize its
>right to exist. Barely.

       I like it - it is just FUN. I know the fights are not true. You know the fights are not true. The ones who think the fights are true, just begin to have fun when they realize that the fights are not true. Everything is a "kid's play", and there is the fun of the thing. At least this is what I see ;o)

>I'm willing to bet that the very same question was asked about the
>hippies not too many decades ago.

       Easy to answer, look to Jinx ;o)

><rant>
>Why do people do that? If you leave enough letters there to know what
>the word is, you might as well have just written it out. Not that it
>really matters, it just strikes me as silly.
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       Hmmm, I'll say something polemical, but true

       - there aren't bad words. There are people who are convinced some words are bad.

       You have lots of ways of speaking about the same thing. Some are considered beautiful. Some are ugly, some are just inappropriate. But if I speak inapropriate portuguese words here, no one (which is not brazilian or speaks portuguese) will understand and maybe think it is funny. And more: In Brazil and Portugal, that shares the "same" portuguese, some words become totally different, a common example is "pica" who in brazilian portuguese signals the...eh...the masculine difference, you knows, and in portugal' portuguese means a shot.

       Words are not bad. Our mind make them bad. Only one word comes to my mind when I think about it: Hypocrisy.


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2001\12\31@032307 by Jinx

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><rant>
>Why do people do that? If you leave enough letters there to
> know what the word is, you might as well have just written it
> out. Not that itreally matters, it just strikes me as silly.
></rant>

       Hmmm, I'll say something polemical, but true

- there aren't bad words. There are people who are convinced
some words are bad

Anyone who remembers the UK sitcom Steptoe & Son might
remember the episode in which Albert (a dirty old lecher) did
the crossword in the parish magazine. When the old biddies
complained about the filthy answers, Albert replied "If they
know what the words are why are they so shocked?"

And that's all they are - just words. But like tattoos, they can
indicate what's underneath. I had some skinhead friends
in the 70's who had tattoos and swore so much you could
hardly understand a sentence. Top blokes they were, until
they met a Pakistani or gay

I like Billy Connolly's explanation that he uses swearing as
punctuation and "mood words". A hint of a "naughty" word
is tantalising, like a negligee

And sometimes "Go away" just isn't enough

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2001\12\31@032322 by Jinx

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> I'm willing to bet that the very same question was asked about
> the hippies not too many decades ago.

       Easy to answer, look to Jinx ;o)

Oh, A. I'm disappointed. I'm a lovely person. And I'll deck
anyone who says different ;-)

It seems to me that violence, fake or not, is so much more
prevalent in the media these days. And I do worry about it.
It's not there wasn't violence 20 or 30 years ago, it's just that
what you see know is nastier and has a grit to it that I find
distasteful. Look at the genre that's been popular for a
couple of years - Big Brother & Survivor. Sure they have a
few laughs, but basically they are about voyeurism on dislike,
disloyalty, greed, back-stabbing and bitchiness, then you
have the "voting off". I find the shows thoroughly odious. On
the plus side, there's so much garbage on TV I get heaps
of work done

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2001\12\31@122626 by Peter L. Peres

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First, Happy New Year to *everyone*

> > >ignore the world sometimes, but if we could all help
> > someone as much as we help ourselves then at least we
> > can say we tried
>
> >         Jinx, remember our fathers said the same ;o)
>
> And how many around the world think "You killed my father,
> I'm going to kill yours" or "You did something 500 years
> ago and we haven't forgotten". On an individual level it's
> almost petty

Anyway may I (sheepishly)ask who sets the time limit on how far we are
allowed to remember ? 60 ? 500 ? 1000 ? 2002 ? 3000 ? 5000 ?

> An optimist might look at globalisation and say good, every
> one will depend on everyone else for a living - an end to
> fighting. A pessimist might see it as the complete opposite -
> strings being pulled from distant lands, rebellion, civil wars
> for self-determination

The cynic in me says that evey one will (does already ?) depend on how
much and for how long China factories can dump prices.

Peter

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2001\12\31@164139 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>> I'm willing to bet that the very same question was asked about
>> the hippies not too many decades ago.
>        Easy to answer, look to Jinx ;o)
>Oh, A. I'm disappointed. I'm a lovely person. And I'll deck
>anyone who says different ;-)

       And hippies weren't lovely persons, with big hair and beard ? ;o)

>distasteful. Look at the genre that's been popular for a
>couple of years - Big Brother & Survivor. Sure they have a
>few laughs, but basically they are about voyeurism on dislike,
>disloyalty, greed, back-stabbing and bitchiness, then you
>have the "voting off". I find the shows thoroughly odious. On
>the plus side, there's so much garbage on TV I get heaps
>of work done

       And unfortunately, they are catching up in Brazil..."Fantastico" is a variety program that had the greatest level of audience since its creation. The brazilian version of big brother, just beat it up in more than a DOUBLE. Ugh! ;oP


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2001\12\31@171313 by Jinx

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> > I'm going to kill yours" or "You did something 500 years
> > ago and we haven't forgotten". On an individual level it's
> > almost petty
>
> Anyway may I (sheepishly)ask who sets the time limit on
> how far we are allowed to remember ? 60 ? 500 ? 1000 ?
> 2002 ? 3000 ? 5000 ?

I  guess it's up to the individual. Am I peed off by what the
French or the Vikings did 1000 years ago ? Not really, and
I couldn't place any responsibility on their descendants, 50
generations on

What is incongruous to me is that in 10,000 or more years,
humans have evolved to be a cultured, inventive, communicative
and inquisitive species, yet what was probably true those aeons
ago is still true - the world still turns on greed, barbarism, and
power. Little cheer germ aren't I ? ;-)

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2001\12\31@183519 by Jinx

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> And hippies weren't lovely persons, with big hair and beard ? ;o)

Some of us still is

But I move with the times. I'll be there on the 18th at the Auckland
Big Day Out (http://www.bigdayout.com), down in the mosh pit with
the spaced-out tattooed ones. Doing my bit and handing out
Microchip linecards

> And unfortunately, they are catching up in Brazil..."Fantastico" is a
> variety program that had the greatest level of audience since its
> creation. The brazilian version of big brother, just beat it up in more
> than a DOUBLE. Ugh! ;oP

It's all swearing, sex and violence on TV and at the movies these
days. Sheesh, I get enough of that at home. Apart from the sex

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2002\01\02@132155 by Jay Hanson
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>What is incongruous to me is that in 10,000 or more years,
>humans have evolved to be a cultured, inventive, communicative
>and inquisitive species, yet what was probably true those aeons
>ago is still true - the world still turns on greed, barbarism, and
>power. Little cheer germ aren't I ? ;-)

Human nature is genetic.  Here are four of my favorite books plus a good
reference on the subject:

Jay
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#1 ** DEMONIC MALES: Apes and the Origins of Human Violence, by Richard
Wrangham & Dale Peterson; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0395877431

Don't let the name throw you a curve; it's not a polemic against men. It's
well written (interesting from start to end), even-handed (scientific), and
explains why we evolved to act like chimps instead of bonobos. In fact, this
book broke my house record for paperclips and highlighter. E.O. Wilson
endorses this book. I love it! (Please pass the bananas.)

#2 ** THE SPIRIT IN THE GENE: Humanity's Proud Illusion and the Laws of
Nature,
by Reg Morrison, Lynn Margulis; Cornell, 1999;
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0801436516 . Morrison's
book is endorsed by E.O. Wilson of Harvard, and Thomas Eisner of Cornell.

#3 ** DARK NATURE: A Natural History of Evil, by Lyall Watson;
HarperCollins,
1997; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060927909

#4 ** THE DARK SIDE OF MAN: Tracing the Origins of Male Violence, by Michael
P.
Ghiglieri; Perseus, 1999; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/073820076X

==================================================

HANDBOOK OF EVOLUTIONARY PSYCHOLOGY: Ideas Issues and Applications, Eds.
Charles Crawford & Dennis Krebs; Lawrence Erlbaum, 1998
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805816666

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2002\01\02@181800 by Mina Nichols

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Don't over-estimate the value of aggression.  many of us are here today
because our ancestors ran from an inflammatory situation, or learned to get
along rather than relying on physical might.
I think the realization that people are naturally going to consider
aggressive ways to get what they want makes it all the more important that
the rest of us make sure we support those processes that promote peaceful
resolution and band-together to defeat bullies.



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2002\01\02@212225 by Jay Hanson

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>Don't over-estimate the value of aggression.  many of us are here today

People are genetically optimized to maximize "inclusive fitness".  Inclusive
fitness is a very broad category and includes behavior ranging from Mother
Teresa, to suicide bombers, to Bill Gates.  These behaviors only make
scientific sense when viewed through Dawkin's so-called "selfish gene"
metaphor.

In short, evolution theory provides a scientific explanation for observed
human behavior.  It's a very interesting subject, but quite difficult to
really understand.  This is because we are genetically-biased against
self-knowledge.  Self-knowledge isn't for everyone, but I like it.

Jay
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2002\01\03@120729 by John Ferrell

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Then there are those of us who are comfortable with the Teddy Roosevelt
philosophy of "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

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> Don't over-estimate the value of aggression.  many of us are here today
> because our ancestors ran from an inflammatory situation, or learned to
get
> along rather than relying on physical might.
> I think the realization that people are naturally going to consider
> aggressive ways to get what they want makes it all the more important that
> the rest of us make sure we support those processes that promote peaceful
> resolution and band-together to defeat bullies.
>
>
>
> {Original Message removed}

2002\01\03@220733 by Jinx

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> >Don't over-estimate the value of aggression

Rush Limbaugh (who is so far out right-wing you need binoculars
to see him) would agree with that. I suspect he speaks for many
Americans. I've never heard his show, although I'm aware of him
through 60 Minutes etc

In the good old days there was "gunboat diplomacy"

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2002\01\03@220745 by Jinx

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> >Don't over-estimate the value of aggression
>
Forgot the link

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/120301/content/tape.guest.html

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2002\01\04@011503 by Bob Barr

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On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:05:35 +1300, Jinx wrote:

>> >Don't over-estimate the value of aggression
>
>Rush Limbaugh (who is so far out right-wing you need binoculars
>to see him) would agree with that. I suspect he speaks for many
>Americans. I've never heard his show, although I'm aware of him
>through 60 Minutes etc
>

Anything to the right of Chairman Mao is considered far right to the
folks at Sixty Minutes. :=)

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2002\01\04@015430 by Roman Black

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Mina Nichols wrote:
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> Don't over-estimate the value of aggression.  many of us are here today
> because our ancestors ran from an inflammatory situation, or learned to get
> along rather than relying on physical might.
> I think the realization that people are naturally going to consider
> aggressive ways to get what they want makes it all the more important that
> the rest of us make sure we support those processes that promote peaceful
> resolution and band-together to defeat bullies.


Hmm, "support those processes"?? The "processes"
where a group of weak hearted weak minded committee
people decide the vitality and brilliance of a
particular individual are beyond their personal
tastes and that individual needs to be curtailed?
Welcome to hell. Give me the occasional bully
anyday, rather than a society that brutally
enforces weakness and blandness for the "common
good"...
-Roman

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2002\01\04@021210 by Roman Black

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Jay Hanson wrote:
>
> >Don't over-estimate the value of aggression.  many of us are here today
>
> People are genetically optimized to maximize "inclusive fitness".  Inclusive
> fitness is a very broad category and includes behavior ranging from Mother
> Teresa, to suicide bombers, to Bill Gates.  These behaviors only make
> scientific sense when viewed through Dawkin's so-called "selfish gene"
> metaphor.
>
> In short, evolution theory provides a scientific explanation for observed
> human behavior.  It's a very interesting subject, but quite difficult to
> really understand.  This is because we are genetically-biased against
> self-knowledge.  Self-knowledge isn't for everyone, but I like it.

But is it true knowlege or something from a
book? Remember books only teach the first 10%,
the other 90% of the knowlege come from years of
thinking about it. If you just spent 4 years
reading psych textbooks it may require another
36 years of thinking about what you read... ;o)

If you actually came across a homosuperior, a
person at the frontier of human development,
ie; someone who could take on any new challenge
and outperform you many times over you would
probably diagnose an antisocial paranoid
bipolar schitzophrenic. Ferraris are uncomfortable
and get lousy fuel economy. Who judges what is
superior or inferior? Many of the people who
can really outperform us are locked up...
-Roman

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2002\01\04@113500 by Jay Hanson

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>>Don't over-estimate the value of aggression
>
>Rush Limbaugh (who is so far out right-wing you need
>binoculars

Forget Limbaugh, stick with the science.  Here's a sample:

"Chimp social structure would be unique were it not for humans acting
similarly. This is no coincidence. By most taxonomic criteria, chimps and
humans are sibling species. Overall, chimp society is not only extremely
sexist -- with all adult males dominant over females-but also xenophobic to
the extent of killing all alien males, many infants, and some old females
who enter their territory. To some readers, my use of the word war may seem
too strong to describe what male kin groups do. But systematic, protracted,
deliberate, and cooperative brutal killings of every male in a neighboring
community, plus genocidal and frequent cannibalistic murder of many of their
offspring, followed by usurpation of the males' mates and annexation of part
or all of the losers' territory, matches or exceeds the worst that humans do
when they wage war.

"Wild chimps reveal the natural contexts of territoriality, war, male
cooperation, solidarity and sharing, nepotism, sexism, xenophobia,
infanticide, murder, cannibalism, polygyny, and mating competition between
kin groups of males -- behaviors that have evolved through sexual selection.
Also significant is the fact that none of these apes learned these violent
behaviors by watching TV or by being victims of socioeconomic handicaps --
poor schools, broken homes, bad fathers, illegal drugs, easy weapons, or any
other sociological condition. Nor were these apes spurred to war by any
political, religious, or economic ideology or by the rhetoric of an insane
demagogue. They also were not seeking an 'identity' or buckling under peer
pressure. Instead, they were obeying instincts, coded in the male psyche,
dictating that they must win against other males." [ p. 176, THE DARK SIDE
OF MAN: Tracing the Origins of Male Violence, by Michael P. Ghiglieri;
Perseus, 1999; http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/073820076X ]

Jay

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2002\01\04@115249 by Jay Hanson

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>>really understand.  This is because we are genetically-biased
>>against self-knowledge.  Self-knowledge isn't for everyone,
>> but I like it.
>
>But is it true knowlege or something from a
>book? Remember books only teach the first 10%,

I agree with you that books and education are only the first step in
discovering "truth".  In fact, a great deal of education is designed to
erase common sense and replace it with contemporary mythology.

If a positive assertion is consistent with the science as I understand it,
AND it agrees with my own empirical observations, then I consider it at
least provisionally "true".  I consider everything else "politics" (i.e.,
"one coercing another").

After a decade of study, I have discovered that we engineers are fairly
unique in the animal kingdom.  By developing the habit of "falsification"
from a young age in our work (i.e., "debugging" our own work), we have
established the prerequisite "wetware" (neurons, dendrites, etc.) to think
critically about our own social system.

On the other hand, so-called "social scientists" -- those who have been
specifically trained for the job of analyzing our society -- have never
developed the wetware required for critical thought.  It certainly doesn't
bode well for our society!  In fact, I doubt that our present way of life
will last another decade, but the folks in the driver's seat can't see it
coming...

Jay
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SCIENTIFIC METHOD

The "scientific method" is the ONLY way yet discovered for discovering truth
amid a world of lies and delusion. The simple version looks something like
this:

a. Observe some aspect of the universe.
b. Invent a theory that is consistent with what you have observed.
c. Use the theory to make predictions.
d. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations.
e. Modify the theory in the light of your results.

Go to step c. [ http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/skep_1.html]

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2002\01\04@151018 by Jim

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  ">Americans. I've never heard his show, although I'm aware
   >of him through 60 Minutes etc"

Oh brother ... surely you have a more reputable, honest,
objective source than 60 Minutes (a product of what
some now refer to as the "See-BS" network, replete with
a Castro-hugging communist-embracing Dan Rather (Pics
upon request))?

Jim

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2002\01\04@151428 by David VanHorn

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At 02:10 PM 1/4/02 -0600, Jim wrote:
>    ">Americans. I've never heard his show, although I'm aware
>     >of him through 60 Minutes etc"
>
>Oh brother ... surely you have a more reputable, honest,
>objective source than 60 Minutes (a product of what
>some now refer to as the "See-BS" network, replete with
>a Castro-hugging communist-embracing Dan Rather (Pics
>upon request))?

If you want real fun, work out the connections through Clinton, Van
Susteren (and her husband) and Travolta.

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2002\01\04@151555 by Jim

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Undeniable truth of life #29 (or some such) no doubt
based on observations ranging from 'street-level'
(police arresting thugs who prey on innocent law-abiding
citizens) on to the 'national' level (the Allies versus
the Axis powers):

  "Ours is a world governed by the aggressive use of force."

Jim


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2002\01\04@161118 by Jinx

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> Oh brother ... surely you have a more reputable, honest,
> objective source than 60 Minutes (a product of what
> some now refer to as the "See-BS" network, replete with
> a Castro-hugging communist-embracing Dan Rather (Pics
> upon request))?
>
> Jim

Oh my, the bitterness is strong in this one. Excellent ;-))

It was some time ago so I don't remember the details
of the item, but I was left with an impression of him. I
don't like or dislike him, just aware of him. As others
have pointed out to me off-list, he is either an idiot or
a straight-shooter. Chacun a son gout

I liike to think this is a more neutral news source

http://www.stratfor.com

but I try to see a step or two past the reported "facts". eg
who's doing the reporting, what are their sympathies, who
they work for, who owns the station etc etc etc. I read an
article recently, apparently backed up by several countries'
intelligence services, that painted an entirely different
picture of the events immediately before, and the reasons
for, the Twin Towers attack. It basically came down to oil,
water and money. Although there is reportedly a new Cold
War to keep the war industry in business (Islam vs The West),
September 11 was not just simply a clash of ideologies

If anyone wants to read the article

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/sept11.html

"Beyond the headline coverage of the war against terror
lies a parallel universe of alternative media and analysis"

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2002\01\06@170122 by Benjamin Bromilow

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Roman Black wrote on 4/1/02 7:12:
>Many of the people who can really outperform us are locked up...
-Roman

Apparently left-handed people are more likely to be geniuses and psycopaths than right handed people. My take on this is that they are not that disimilar- they both have the ability to challenge orthodox views and create alternative viewpoints....
How often do we call people crazy or mad when they invent or think of something unusual?

Ben
(who is drawing up a plan [using his left hand of course] for a Pic based  neuronal transmitter to zap passers-by into left handedness... Infact don't know why Doc Octopus never thought of this........) Guess he was mad.........

Ben

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