Post by thread:[PICLIST] [OT][PIC]?? Registration of openpic.com

for those that have been following the various threads on an open source development project for pics and the development of a networking protocol stack I am happy to announce that last night i registered openpic.com, openpic.net, and openpic.org. the machine that it will be hosted on is operated by my brother who works at an ISP and has agreed to host it for us for free. It should be a pretty high availability server in that it's a freebsd machine (PIII-450) on a T3 with a T1 for backup. It will be using the Apache web server and I probably will be setting up a mailing list and if necessary a cvs server... Crap time to go eat.. more details soon.. It'll probably have some type of content and at least a domain name lookup in the next day or so. If you want to help send me an email at spam_OUTmdhopkinTakeThisOuTunity.ncsu.edu.. Thanks, Damon Hopkins

Damon Hopkins wrote: .......... >protocol stack I am happy to announce that last night i registered >openpic.com, openpic.net, and openpic.org. the machine that it will be ..... I hate to be the party pooper, but didn't we just have a thread a few weeks ago citing examples where Mchp was cracking down on names with 'pic' inserted therein??? Trademark infrigment, blah/blah ... OTOH, there *is* piclist. - DanM

On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Dan Michaels wrote: > Damon Hopkins wrote: > .......... > >protocol stack I am happy to announce that last night i registered > >openpic.com, openpic.net, and openpic.org. the machine that it will be > ..... > > I hate to be the party pooper, but didn't we just have a thread > a few weeks ago citing examples where Mchp was cracking down > on names with 'pic' inserted therein??? Trademark infrigment, > blah/blah ... > > OTOH, there *is* piclist. as well as http://www.gnupic.org - I can add another page to what's there already. Scott

Dan Michaels wrote: > > Damon Hopkins wrote: > .......... > >protocol stack I am happy to announce that last night i registered > >openpic.com, openpic.net, and openpic.org. the machine that it will be > ..... > > I hate to be the party pooper, but didn't we just have a thread > a few weeks ago citing examples where Mchp was cracking down > on names with 'pic' inserted therein??? Trademark infrigment, > blah/blah ... > > OTOH, there *is* piclist. > > - DanM Hey in the domain name OpenPic the "Pic" stands for "Programable Interfacing Controller" it's just an acronym besides I quote their web page <BLOCKQUOTE> The Microchip name and logo, PIC, PICmicro, PICMASTER, PRO MATE, PICSTART, Envoy, KEELOQ, SEEVAL, PICSEE, TrueGauge and the Embedded Control Solutions Company are registered trademarks of Microchip Technology Inc. in the USA and other countries. SQTP is a servicemark of Microchip Technology Inc. in the USA and other countries. FlexROM, fuzzyLAB, ICSP, In-Circuit Serial Programming, MPLAB, Now Design It, QuickASIC, Smart Serial, Total Endurance, UniMouse and XPressROM are trademarks of Microchip Technology Inc. in the USA and other countries. Windows is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. </BLOCKQUOTE> NO where on there do I see OpenPic.. PIC, PICmicro yeah sure but not OpenPic. Damon Hopkins

Damon Hopkins wrote: >> .......... >Hey in the domain name OpenPic the "Pic" stands for "Programable >Interfacing Controller" it's just an acronym besides I quote their web >page ><BLOCKQUOTE> >The Microchip name and logo, PIC, PICmicro, PICMASTER, PRO MATE, >PICSTART, Envoy, KEELOQ, SEEVAL, PICSEE, TrueGauge and the Embedded >Control Solutions Company are registered trademarks of Microchip >Technology Inc. in the USA and other countries. SQTP is a servicemark of >Microchip Technology Inc. in the USA and other countries. FlexROM, >fuzzyLAB, ICSP, In-Circuit Serial Programming, MPLAB, Now Design It, >QuickASIC, Smart Serial, Total Endurance, UniMouse and XPressROM are >trademarks of Microchip Technology Inc. in the USA and other countries. >Windows is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation. All other >trademarks are the property of their respective owners. ></BLOCKQUOTE> > >NO where on there do I see OpenPic.. PIC, PICmicro yeah sure but not >OpenPic. > Hopefully, all will be ok. No doubt Mchp has not "trademarked" OpenPic, but AFAIrecall, someone else got in trouble recently by having "PIC" or "pic" inserted in one of their product names. I think that was a programmer in direct competition with Mchp's own h.w. Hopefully, they won't see openpic as a threat to their s.w. business. [Note - I am not a lawyer, nor do I habitually associate nor play golf with any - but I figured it was worth mentioning this]. ======= Interesting, as indicated above, they have trademarked "In-Circuit Serial Programming". I wonder if they have patented it, too? There are something like 40,000 s.w. patents granted each year. I believe IBM actually patented the do-loop once. PAtent office is apparently full of people who are clueless as to "prior art". - DanM

At 04:04 PM 6/17/00 EDT, you wrote: >Actually, I would say that the patent office is full of people who are >"clueless" period. At least when it comes to common sense. > >Randy > JFTHOI, I went to google.com and did a search on openpic. There were dozens of references to an OpenPIC standard for multiprocessing on PCs that was developed by Cyrix and AMD about 1995. It looks like they have since abandoned the idea. Wasn't clear if they had a trademark on the name. - DanM

What's JFTHOI ??? Regards Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Michaels" <.....oricomKILLspam@spam@LYNX.SNI.NET> To: <PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [OT][PIC]?? Registration of openpic.com {Quote hidden}> At 04:04 PM 6/17/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Actually, I would say that the patent office is full of people who are > >"clueless" period. At least when it comes to common sense. > > > >Randy > > > > JFTHOI, I went to google.com and did a search on openpic. There > were dozens of references to an OpenPIC standard for multiprocessing > on PCs that was developed by Cyrix and AMD about 1995. It looks > like they have since abandoned the idea. Wasn't clear if they had > a trademark on the name. > > - DanM

Just For The Heck Of It >From: Gary Chung <.....Gary.ChungKILLspam.....DIYELECTRONICS.COM> >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list <EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> >To: PICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: [OT][PIC]?? Registration of openpic.com >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 05:08:41 +0800 > >What's JFTHOI ??? > >Regards >Gary > >{Original Message removed}

Dan Michaels wrote: > > At 04:04 PM 6/17/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Actually, I would say that the patent office is full of people who are > >"clueless" period. At least when it comes to common sense. > > > >Randy > > > > JFTHOI, I went to google.com and did a search on openpic. There > were dozens of references to an OpenPIC standard for multiprocessing > on PCs that was developed by Cyrix and AMD about 1995. It looks > like they have since abandoned the idea. Wasn't clear if they had > a trademark on the name. > > - DanM no results found on the US trademark electronic search system I tested it and found that microchip does indeed have picmicro trademarked as well as picstart and a few others.. no openpic found though.. :) Damon

Damon wrote: ....... >no results found on the US trademark electronic search system > >I tested it and found that microchip does indeed have picmicro >trademarked as well as picstart and a few others.. no openpic found >though.. :) > If it matters at all to Mchp in this particular case, I think the important thing is if they have "pic" trademarked, viz-a-viz it's appearing "inside" other words related to the pic micro. Probably the best thing is for you to make at least a cursory examination of the trademark laws. Otherwise, it's all just wheel-spinning.

Dan Michaels wrote: > > Damon wrote: > ....... > >no results found on the US trademark electronic search system > > > >I tested it and found that microchip does indeed have picmicro > >trademarked as well as picstart and a few others.. no openpic found > >though.. :) > > > > If it matters at all to Mchp in this particular case, I think > the important thing is if they have "pic" trademarked, viz-a-viz > it's appearing "inside" other words related to the pic micro. > Probably the best thing is for you to make at least a cursory > examination of the trademark laws. Otherwise, it's all just > wheel-spinning. I looked for PIC they didn't have it trademarked it appears there are several "pic"'s trademarked but my favorite is the dead one from Pig Improved Company in the UK.. gotta love that.. beyond that.. SURELOCK FILTERLAB M MICROID MIGRATABLE MEMORY PICDSC MPLAB WHAT'SON PICMICRO GENSCALE DICE BUSYFAMILY K THE EMBEDDED CONTROL SOLUTIONS COMPANY ACUITY RESIZING SEEVAL TRUE GAUGE PICSEE TRUEGAUGE PRO MATE PICMASTER PICSTART ACUITY GENESIS MICROCHIP ENVOY NARRATOR are all live trademarks of some type. it's interesting that Microchip claims they have a trademark on keeloq but the search site I went to states that keeloq is registered to Nanoteq Limited Company which makes car alarms in South Africa.. and they've been using it since 1992 and got the trademark in 1995.. interesting.. Damon Hopkins

Where did you find this information? Thanks, Sean At 09:14 PM 6/17/00 -0400, you wrote: >I looked for PIC they didn't have it trademarked it appears there are >several "pic"'s trademarked but my favorite is the dead one from Pig >Improved Company in the UK.. gotta love that.. beyond that.. > >SURELOCK [SNIP] | | Sean Breheny | Amateur Radio Callsign: KA3YXM | Electrical Engineering Student \--------------=---------------- Save lives, please look at http://www.all.org Personal page: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/shb7 @spam@shb7KILLspamcornell.edu ICQ #: 3329174 _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

It's real easy my friend. The company was "Pig Improvement Company." They did animal sperm banks, artifical insemination. Check it out: http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=f2ggo8.2.119 Anyways, if you want to search for trademarks, check out: http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=iar1gc.1.1 Regards, Tim Hamel In a message dated 6/17/00 9:27:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KILLspamshb7KILLspamCORNELL.EDU writes: > Where did you find this information? > > Thanks, > > Sean >

Dam Wrote... > I hate to be the party pooper, but didn't we just have a thread > a few weeks ago citing examples where Mchp was cracking down > on names with 'pic' inserted therein??? Trademark infrigment, > blah/blah ... > > OTOH, there *is* piclist. > We might have to change the name to something without PIC in it. Like 'Special Community of United Microcontroller Developers Organized Group'. Could make for a good acronym. _____________________________ Lance Allen Technical Officer Uni of Auckland Psych Dept New Zealand http://www.psych.auckland.ac.nz _____________________________

At 09:16 AM 6/19/00 +1200, Lance Allen wrote: >Dam Wrote... > > > I hate to be the party pooper, but didn't we just have a thread > > a few weeks ago citing examples where Mchp was cracking down > > on names with 'pic' inserted therein??? Trademark infrigment, > > blah/blah ... > > > > OTOH, there *is* piclist. > > > >We might have to change the name to something without PIC in it. Atmel AVRlist? :)

It earned me a few grand one time though. I had to not allocate memory in a sequential fashion in a particular market (can you believe that _sequentially_ listing detected devices was a claim??). The Keeloq stuff infringed on the patent. So my customer paid me to remove the infringement. Can't complain too loudly <G> Yes, sometimes they are morons. I used to work for an ex-examiner. Andy "Randy A." <RemoveMECnc002TakeThisOuTAOL.COM> on 06/17/2000 04:04:56 PM Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list <spamBeGonePICLISTspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU> To: TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: (bcc: Andrew Kunz/TDI_NOTES) Subject: Re: [OT][PIC]?? Registration of openpic.com Actually, I would say that the patent office is full of people who are "clueless" period. At least when it comes to common sense. Randy

>it's interesting that Microchip claims they have a trademark on keeloq >but the search site I went to states that keeloq is registered to >Nanoteq Limited Company which makes car alarms in South Africa.. and >they've been using it since 1992 and got the trademark in 1995.. >interesting.. Where do you think Microchip got the Keeloq code? They bought them out and as I recall transplanted a few SA guys to AZ. Andy

Andrew Kunz wrote: > > >it's interesting that Microchip claims they have a trademark on keeloq > >but the search site I went to states that keeloq is registered to > >Nanoteq Limited Company which makes car alarms in South Africa.. and > >they've been using it since 1992 and got the trademark in 1995.. > >interesting.. > > Where do you think Microchip got the Keeloq code? They bought them out and as I > recall transplanted a few SA guys to AZ. > > Andy I figured as much.. actually I figured they just licensed the name..

OK the domain now has a lookup and some preliminary pages.. I think this might be a little too far OT to be on this list and a new mailing list is being set up (the software should be installed sometime today) I do have some pages on there.. not much a few data sheets on various ethernet chip sets as well as some on some NV RAM.. any suggestions for what to call the mailing list.. I don't want another piclist@ maybe RemoveMEdiscussionsTakeThisOuTopenpic.com?? someone email me and tell me what to call this list :) Damon Hopkins