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I've got a new toy to play with and it's a beauty 20MHz 16 bit i186 CPU 512K RAM, 512K flash disk Ethernet 10BaseT with TCP/IP stack and MpRAM 2 Serial Ports with RXD, TXD, CTS, RTS I2C bus 1 Timer, 2 Pulse width measurement inputs 20 Programmable I/O pins All in a 32 pin DIL package about 10mm high! Software can be downloaded via RS232 or FTPed via the ethernet port. The BIOS includes a web server (you can surf to the chip to read inputs or set outputs) There is a DOS BIOS as well, programmable in C/C++ I've implemented a simple system to monitor temperature and light levels. You can then go to the device from your web browser (http://192.68.42.254), and view the measurements as a web page. Or hit a button on the web page to switch on the lights or coffee machine in the kitchen. (Tiny Internet appliances!) All this for about DM98 Surf to http://www.beck-ipc.com/chip and have a look Mark Hull Engineering/Technical EMS (Africa) (Pty) Ltd PO Box 1026, Melville, 2109, South Africa Ph +27 11 482 4470 Fax +27 11 726 2552

Ok, now this I can see: Have one of these in your home, which talks via a slower, less processor time expensive network, and acts as the web server for your home automation (or whatever else) system. In my mind it is impractical to either hook a PIC directly up to 10baseT, or use a full computer as a slip interface. And, if my conversion is correct, that's less than $50 USD !! I'd kill for one of these (well, 'kill' spiders, maybe. And 'kill' meaning capture and release in another environment..:) However, each product you sell using their chip costs a runtime license fee of $24, on top of the hardware... It looks like testing purposes don't require this runtime license. But that's still under $75 for a full computer on a chip. Even better if the software can be real time, and if it comes with a TCP/IP stack (which it sounds like it does...) If gas prices go down, I may be able to afford one of these! (Don't drive through southeast MI, its $2.12 /gal here :-( ) It looks like they have a multi-tasking DOS. How easy was it to program for, Mark? Does the license include a TCP/IP stack? -Adam Mark Hull wrote: {Quote hidden}> > I've got a new toy to play with and it's a beauty > > 20MHz 16 bit i186 CPU > 512K RAM, 512K flash disk > Ethernet 10BaseT with TCP/IP stack and MpRAM > 2 Serial Ports with RXD, TXD, CTS, RTS > I2C bus > 1 Timer, 2 Pulse width measurement inputs > 20 Programmable I/O pins > > All in a 32 pin DIL package about 10mm high! > > Software can be downloaded via RS232 or FTPed via the ethernet port. > The BIOS includes a web server (you can surf to the chip to read inputs or > set outputs) > There is a DOS BIOS as well, programmable in C/C++ > > I've implemented a simple system to monitor temperature and light levels. > You can then go to the device from your web browser (http://192.68.42.254), > and > view the measurements as a web page. Or hit a button on the web page to > switch > on the lights or coffee machine in the kitchen. > > (Tiny Internet appliances!) > > All this for about DM98 > > Surf to http://www.beck-ipc.com/chip and have a look > > Mark Hull > Engineering/Technical > EMS (Africa) (Pty) Ltd > PO Box 1026, Melville, 2109, South Africa > Ph +27 11 482 4470 Fax +27 11 726 2552

Hi there Programming is VERY easy. The BIOS available on the website is basically a set of API's, called through interrupts exactly as with DOS and PC BIOS. In fact the interrupt numbers are the same as the PC in most cases. The functions are grouped as follows BIOSINTS: Interrupts for several PC services CGI: Software interface to CGI CHIPINIT: Chip startup initialization COMMAND: Description of the command processor. CONFIG: System configuration based on CHIP.INI file. DOSEMU: Interface definition for DOS functions. FOSSIL: Interface to the serial ports. HWAPI: Hardware API including PFE and HAL I2C: Interface definition for the I2C Bus Interface PPPServ: Description to access the SC12 PPP server. RTXAPI: Interface definition for RTOS interface. TCPIPAPI: Interface definition for the TCP-IP sockets. You write your program in C with Borland C or Microsoft C, and compile with the large memory model. You can then transfer the resulting exe program to the chip's flash disk either with the CHIPTOOL utility from BECK's website, or FTP it from any FTP client!!! You can then write an AUTOEXEC.BAT file to start the EXE file on power up or reset. This chip is as close to a PC on a chip as i've seen! The BIOS, the API function list, examples, CHIPTOOL etc are all downloadable from www.beck-ipc.com/download.asp?typ=ipcatchip&status=0_EN_download_ipca tchip Regarding the run time licence, it's just a sticker (expensive sticker!) licensing you for using their BIOS. If you'r that way inclined, you can write your own BIOS and do away with the run time licence. I assume that if you aren't selling the product, but using it at home you can get away with not buying the sticker. I would recommend getting the eval board DK40. It's a bit pricey, but it has a RJ-45 connector, ethernet transformer, 10V-36V switch mode power supply, 2 x RJ11 connectors for serial interface, 10 I/O connections on screw terminals and comes in a lovely little plastic case. You can probably get them from Festo Corp. 395 Moreland Road USA-Hauppauge, NY.11788 Tel 5 16/4 35 08 00 Fax 5 16/4 35 80 26 No I don't have any connection with the company. I just use their products.

On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, D Lloyd wrote: > $2.12???? And you want sympathy? > > Try living in the UK.....It's knocking on for £4 a gallon. Or about $6.40 Well, yeah... but... you don't have NEARLY as far to drive as we do. If I drove as far in the UK as it takes to see family here, I'd need a fifty-fathom snorkel and I'd end up in France. Does give one a new respect for the drivers of those V-12 Jags and Rolls over there, though. Buying gas ('scuse me, "petrol") for those shows not just money, but intestinal fortitude as well. Dale --- The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..." -- Isaac Asimov

D Lloyd wrote: > If gas prices go down, I may be able to afford one of these! (Don't drive > through southeast MI, its $2.12 /gal here :-( ) > > $2.12???? And you want sympathy? > > Try living in the UK.....It's knocking on for £4 a gallon. Or about $6.40 Why not try Sweden, we're almost reachin' $7 by now. You americans don't realize how lucky you are :-) So I'll stick with my Volkswagen Golf running 35 miles a gallon, and then I can also afford one of those, which I would like! Brgds, Marcus > > > Nice device, though.....methinks I'll have to get one for a play with. > > Regards, > > Dan

{Quote hidden}> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:25:22 +0100 > Reply-to: pic microcontroller discussion list <spam_OUTPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> > From: D Lloyd <.....dan.lloydKILLspam@spam@GB.ABB.COM> > Subject: Re: [OT] [EE] New toy... WOW! > To: PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > If gas prices go down, I may be able to afford one of these! (Don't drive > through southeast MI, its $2.12 /gal here :-( ) > > > $2.12???? And you want sympathy? > > Try living in the UK.....It's knocking on for £4 a gallon. Or about $6.40 > > > > Nice device, though.....methinks I'll have to get one for a play with. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dan Dan, Try living in the south of UK, IM on LRP, gone up twice in the past week, now 90.9 per Litre, I make that over 4 pound a gallon. Andy Farrar

part 1 674 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset=us-ascii|-------------> |(Embedded | |image moved | |to file: | |pic11272.pcx)| | | |-------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Dale Botkin <.....daleKILLspam.....BOTKIN.ORG> | |20/06/2000 08:31 | >------------------------------------------------------------------------| Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list <EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> To: PICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: (bcc: Dan Lloyd/GBPTD/ABB) Subject: Re: [OT]: [EE] New toy... WOW! Security Level:? Internal part 2 1470 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 (decoded quoted-printable) On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, D Lloyd wrote: > $2.12???? And you want sympathy? > > Try living in the UK.....It's knocking on for �4 a gallon. Or about $6.40 Well, yeah... but... you don't have NEARLY as far to drive as we do. If I drove as far in the UK as it takes to see family here, I'd need a fifty-fathom snorkel and I'd end up in France. > True...I have been to the US and the distances are inherently larger. What is the average distance to work, i.e. the most common journey, however? I'm sure it isn't 400 miles. I imagine up to 30 miles is more likely, which is the same as the UK. Does give one a new respect for the drivers of those V-12 Jags and Rolls over there, though. > They really dont impress me at all. There is enough *shit* going into the environment without people driving unnecessarily large-engined cars. Nothing sounds as good as a V-8, I know, but its about time we started to look ahead. Cars with engine capacities around 1.2 litres can manage to do 80MPH all day long - is there a need to go any faster? <my environmental mode is permanently on> Dan Buying gas ('scuse me, "petrol") for those shows not just money, but intestinal fortitude as well. Dale --- The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..." -- Isaac Asimov part 3 165 bytes content-type:application/octet-stream; (decode) part 4 2 bytes -

There is another interesting one on the market, just a chip with software libraries for TCP/IP stack, including UDP, FTP, HTTP.... Made by Rabbit Semicondctor, its called the Rabbit2000, and is based on a Zilog Z180, i believe, but they threw out some of the legacy stuff, so it runs about 3 times faster. It's got 4 serial ports, Real Time Clock, watchdog, etc. and can be remotely programmed over a serial port. http://www.rabbitsemiconductor.com Costs about $12 in 100's, and NO licencing fee for the Embedded internet stuff. I researched quite a lot on stacks for the 8051, but guys like US Software start about $3500 for their package , I think. This makes the above something to consider. A full TCP/IP development system including C-compiler for $200. Then there is the Dallas TINI product, which is a DS80C390, with Flash, RAM, Ethernet connection, etc. for $50 a piece. They run a full Java browser on it. It's in a 72-pin SIMM format. Check out http://www.ibutton.com and look at TINI product. Scenix also supply internet support now, for those who want to check out their site. They have an iSX and eSX product, supplying Web and email. Looks very interesting, and will give your Microchip openpic idea a good go... :-). (Sorry, I'm not religiously bound to PIC's, although I use them when it makes sense for the product...) This one down here is also interesting; something to consider... Hallo Mark, ek wonder of jy kan Afrikaans praat? ek is in Pretoria...Groetnis Tom T Da Vinci Systems cc/MMS Electronic Systems Tel +27-12-6645696 Mobile +27-83-3109007 /*-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- I've got a new toy to play with and it's a beauty 20MHz 16 bit i186 CPU 512K RAM, 512K flash disk Ethernet 10BaseT with TCP/IP stack and MpRAM 2 Serial Ports with RXD, TXD, CTS, RTS I2C bus 1 Timer, 2 Pulse width measurement inputs 20 Programmable I/O pins All in a 32 pin DIL package about 10mm high! Software can be downloaded via RS232 or FTPed via the ethernet port. The BIOS includes a web server (you can surf to the chip to read inputs or set outputs) There is a DOS BIOS as well, programmable in C/C++ I've implemented a simple system to monitor temperature and light levels. You can then go to the device from your web browser (http://192.68.42.254), and view the measurements as a web page. Or hit a button on the web page to switch on the lights or coffee machine in the kitchen. (Tiny Internet appliances!) All this for about DM98 Surf to http://www.beck-ipc.com/chip and have a look Mark Hull Engineering/Technical EMS (Africa) (Pty) Ltd PO Box 1026, Melville, 2109, South Africa Ph +27 11 482 4470 Fax +27 11 726 2552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------*

Well, ok, maybe yours is more expensive, but its a big deal to me because this time last year it went below $0.89 /gallon. So you could say it's more than doubled in the last year. You are all used to the higher prices, so it doesn't count. ;-) Not that *I'm* complaining. I'm just wishing I had one of the gas/electric hybrids that gets 70 miles per gallon without charging... Of course, the distances we americans have to drive are probably larger (in general) than what you guys drive. I went 160 miles south to my parents this last weekend, but work is less than 4 miles away. And we ain't got no autobahn either (sigh)... Anyway... :-) -Adam Various people said: Try living in the UK.....It's knocking on for #4 a gallon. Or about $6.40 Why not try Sweden, we're almost reachin' $7 by now. You americans don't realize how lucky you are :-) How about $9.50 in Brazil? Try living in the south of UK, IM on LRP, gone up twice in the past week, now 90.9 per Litre, I make that over 4 pound a gallon.

>And we ain't got no autobahn either (sigh)... Obviously you've never taken the Beltway around DC. Andy "M. Adam Davis" <@spam@adavisKILLspamUBASICS.COM> on 06/20/2000 08:22:09 AM Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list <KILLspamPICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: (bcc: Andrew Kunz/TDI_NOTES) Subject: Re: [OT] [EE] New toy... WOW! Well, ok, maybe yours is more expensive, but its a big deal to me because this time last year it went below $0.89 /gallon. So you could say it's more than doubled in the last year. You are all used to the higher prices, so it doesn't count. ;-) Not that *I'm* complaining. I'm just wishing I had one of the gas/electric hybrids that gets 70 miles per gallon without charging... Of course, the distances we americans have to drive are probably larger (in general) than what you guys drive. I went 160 miles south to my parents this last weekend, but work is less than 4 miles away. And we ain't got no autobahn either (sigh)... Anyway... :-) -Adam Various people said: Try living in the UK.....It's knocking on for #4 a gallon. Or about $6.40 Why not try Sweden, we're almost reachin' $7 by now. You americans don't realize how lucky you are :-) How about $9.50 in Brazil? Try living in the south of UK, IM on LRP, gone up twice in the past week, now 90.9 per Litre, I make that over 4 pound a gallon.

I don´t know who told you that but here in Brazil it´s far below $9.50 per galon. In fact the price is R$4.70, my currency, or $2.35 dollars. Andre spamBeGoneacollingspamBeGonezaz.com.br -----Mensagem original----- De: M. Adam Davis <TakeThisOuTadavisEraseMEspam_OUTUBASICS.COM> Para: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU <PICLISTEraseME.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Data: Terça-feira, 20 de Junho de 2000 13:23 Assunto: Re: [OT] [EE] New toy... WOW! >Well, ok, maybe yours is more expensive, but its a big deal to me because this >time last year it went below $0.89 /gallon. So you could say it's more than >doubled in the last year. > >You are all used to the higher prices, so it doesn't count. ;-) > >Not that *I'm* complaining. I'm just wishing I had one of the gas/electric >hybrids that gets 70 miles per gallon without charging... > >Of course, the distances we americans have to drive are probably larger (in >general) than what you guys drive. I went 160 miles south to my parents this >last weekend, but work is less than 4 miles away. And we ain't got no autobahn {Quote hidden}>either (sigh)... > >Anyway... :-) > >-Adam > >Various people said: >Try living in the UK.....It's knocking on for #4 a gallon. Or about $6.40 > >Why not try Sweden, we're almost reachin' $7 by now. You americans don't >realize how lucky you are :-) > >How about $9.50 in Brazil? > >Try living in the south of UK, IM on LRP, gone up twice in the past >week, now 90.9 per Litre, I make that over 4 pound a gallon.

On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:22:09 -0400 "M. Adam Davis" <EraseMEadavisUBASICS.COM> writes: > Not that *I'm* complaining. I'm just wishing I had one of the > gas/electric > hybrids that gets 70 miles per gallon without charging... > > Of course, the distances we americans have to drive are probably > larger (in > general) than what you guys drive. I went 160 miles south to my > parents this > last weekend, but work is less than 4 miles away. And we ain't got > no autobahn > either (sigh)... > Anyone know the percentage of total energy consumption used in such commutes (say 5 miles or less)? How much could be saved by the use of a bicycle, public transportation, or just living closer to work? Harold (who bicycles to work) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: dl.http://www.juno.com/get/tagj.

part 1 1942 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset=us-ascii|-------------> |(Embedded | |image moved | |to file: | |pic23815.pcx)| | | |-------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------| |Harold M Hallikainen <RemoveMEharoldhallikainenEraseMEEraseMEJUNO.COM> | |20/06/2000 15:28 | >------------------------------------------------------------------------| Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list <RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: (bcc: Dan Lloyd/GBPTD/ABB) Subject: Re: [OT] [EE] New toy... WOW! Security Level:? Internal On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:22:09 -0400 "M. Adam Davis" <EraseMEadavisspamspamBeGoneUBASICS.COM> writes: {Quote hidden}> Not that *I'm* complaining. I'm just wishing I had one of the > gas/electric > hybrids that gets 70 miles per gallon without charging... > > Of course, the distances we americans have to drive are probably > larger (in > general) than what you guys drive. I went 160 miles south to my > parents this > last weekend, but work is less than 4 miles away. And we ain't got > no autobahn > either (sigh)... > Anyone know the percentage of total energy consumption used in such commutes (say 5 miles or less)? How much could be saved by the use of a bicycle, public transportation, or just living closer to work? Hi Harold, I guess the answer to the energy question would always be "too much." I'm trying to get fit enough to cycle to work (6 miles) but I have the added problem of the crap British weather to contend with! regards Dan Harold (who bicycles to work) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: dl.http://www.juno.com/get/tagj. part 2 165 bytes content-type:application/octet-stream; (decode) part 3 2 bytes -

Compare it to us, poor Hungarians: gasoline/petros costs $3.90 / gallon, but I earn $285 a month, and despite the fact I'm dr, highly-qualified professional, it equals to the national average. The true comparison also: how many gas one can buy for a monthly salary. Regards, Imre On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Andrew Farrar wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:25:22 +0100 > > Reply-to: pic microcontroller discussion list <RemoveMEPICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> > > From: D Lloyd <dan.lloydSTOPspamspam_OUTGB.ABB.COM> > > Subject: Re: [OT] [EE] New toy... WOW! > > To: spamBeGonePICLISTSTOPspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU > > > If gas prices go down, I may be able to afford one of these! (Don't drive > > through southeast MI, its $2.12 /gal here :-( ) > > > > > > $2.12???? And you want sympathy? > > > > Try living in the UK.....It's knocking on for £4 a gallon. Or about $6.40 > > > > > > > > Nice device, though.....methinks I'll have to get one for a play with. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dan > Dan, > Try living in the south of UK, IM on LRP, gone up twice in the past > week, now 90.9 per Litre, I make that over 4 pound a gallon. > Andy Farrar > >