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1994\05\12@044007 by -robotics-research-centre.salford.ac.uk (Ian King)n/a

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>>What's wrong with the one that already exists, spam_OUTstampTakeThisOuTspamdiscus.mil.wi.us ?
>>
>>It was created a couple of months ago for discussion of the Basic STAMP
>>programmed PIC, and general PIC stuff.
>
>I am not familiar with this other list (I just sent a subscribe msg), so I
>can't say how the two compare/complement/compete/etc.
>
>However, someone else pointed out that this list (.....picKILLspamspam@spam@figment.mit.edu)
>could complement the other list (stampspamKILLspamdiscus.mil.wi.us) by focusing on
>assembly programming and hardware issues.

The relationship between Parallax Basic Stamps and Microchips PIC's seems
to cause more confusion than any other issue with these chips.

I feel that two lists will be helpful and may help to clear up some of this
confusion, and the two lists are complementary rather than competing.

=%-)

Ian

p.s. I hope this won't sound too condecending but here is a potted description
of the PIC and the STAMP to try and sort out some of the confusion.

PIC -   A microcontroller produced by Arizona Microchip.  Based on a Harvard
       RISC architecture with about 30 instructions. There are several versions
       with differing core processors, ram, eprom/eeprom and built in peripheral
        I/O. They are blindingly fast (0-20MHz -> 0->5 MIPS(ish)) with each
       instruction only taking 4 clock cycles (except jumps which take 8
       clock cycles).

STAMP - A Single board computer, the size of a largish stamp (no surprise here ;-)
       Programmed in an interpreted BASIC language.  It just happens to be based
       on a PIC microcontroller, together with a serial eeprom used to store the
       BASIC tokens. They are much simpler to program than PICs, but much slower
       and have less available I/O pins.

The relationship is something vaguely like that between an Intel 80x86 and
an IBM PC running BASICA..... Ok so this is really vague! but you get the
idea (I hope ;-)



1994\06\25@034323 by gt5876b
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Anyone have any pointers to PIC part libraries i.e. ORCAD, CIRCAD, etc. I've
seen Intel and Motorola libs. Given the size of the Microchip part lineup
I doubt they've published a lib, but anyone made their own part def?



1994\07\15@002251 by gt5876b
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Anyone come across a PIC16c5x decompiler? One of my beta test prototypes came
back with it's ID # rubbed off of it's protective sticker. I didn't set the
protection bit so reading is no problem but I've got dozens of versions out
and the prospect of doing binary "greps" is not pleasant. Given that its INTEL
hex it's a trivial string parse, but why reinvent the wheel. Also of note anyonewho needs a place to burn a chip in the Atlanta area is welcome to call me,
until I was able to bill mine on a contract I was at the mercy of others. Thats
what this group is all about IMHO. -Cheers




1994\08\17@081818 by crocontroller discussion list
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> I have to make a correction on the ftp location of my MpK source.
> It's to be found at:  ftp.ntb.ch   /MicroChip/PIC/MpK
>
> Read the *.idx files...

MpK is now also available on ftp.funet.fi in /pub/microprocs/pic/mpk/*

> regards, Michael

Thanks, Michael!

-- vinsci

1994\08\29@181337 by crocontroller discussion list

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Does anyone have any experience implementing digital
filters, specifically low pass filters,  on the lower end PICs,
e.g. the 16C71?


1994\09\07@084226 by crocontroller discussion list
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>I have just posted my PIC assembler for unix to ftp.funet.fi
>called pictools.tgz and pictools.info (I hope).  This will
>no doubt be moved under the /pub/microprocs/pic heirarchy soon.

It is now available in the directory /pub/microprocs/pic/pictools
as the file pictools.tgz (pictools.tar.gz is the same file).

Thanks for the contribution, Ian!

-- vinsci


1994\10\06@031010 by crocontroller discussion list
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>Please send info

you've accidentally send an administrative matter to the pic list itself.
there is another address for administrative matters (like adding, deleting
yourself from the list, etc)

if you are looking to join the pic-list (which discusses pic
microcontrollers made by Microchip) you should send a message to the
following listserv:

.....listservKILLspamspam.....mitvma.mit.edu

with text of:

subscribe PIC

-jory


1994\11\11@080726 by crocontroller discussion list
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Currently, I'm using shift registers to output address lines A2 to
A16 on a 64Kbit SRAM.  I've connected A0 and A1 directly to the PIC so
I can get at any of the four bytes with very little overhead.  Writing
two bytes to the external memory with this technique still takes lots
of cycles - around 280 all in all, with handshaking the shift register
and the SRAM chip and putting out the address bits.  I have the data
lines connected directly to the PIC as well.

BTW, I've been off net for a month and a half, anyone waiting for
e-mail responses should get them soon (8 megs of mail to read...).

-- vinsci

1994\11\14@123021 by crocontroller discussion list

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You can download many (all?) of the Parallax tools from their BBS.
--Chuck


1994\12\20@033607 by bd24
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Hi Jory,
regarding the post of Lance: IMO this is inside of what should be
permissible on the mailing list. Why ?
- it gives information regarding the PIC (or closely related items)
- it has a reasonable length
I don't think that it is very different from other posts e.g. stating
prices of PICs, or saying something about availability of new PICs.

But you are right, it is sometimes difficult to decide what may be inside
these limits, and what not, but (so far :-) ) I have nothing to criticise
on your decisions in this respect.

Bye
 Markus




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Bill Collins wrote:
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There are three files that should help you with our assemblers:  INST.TXT,
INSTX.TXT, and PICPGM.PDF.  The first two files are text files that briefly
explain the directives and instructions accepted by the assemblers.  The
third file is a PDF (Acrobat) version of the following chapters in our
printed manual: Assembler, Simulator, Programmer, and Instructions
(Parallax and Microchip).

If you can use the Windows or Mac PDF reader (which takes forever to
download from our ftp site), then the PDF file is your best bet.  It's the
same file provided with our "Hobbyist Pack" programmer, and gives you a
near-printed-quality manual (if you use a laser printer).  To find the PDF
files, look in the Acrobat directory at our ftp site.

I'm a little confused by your second paragraph.  In the first paragraph,
you said that you got PASM and MPASM.  In the second paragraph, you said
that you couldn't find the tools, such as PASM.EXE or STAMP.EXE.  Both are
part of respective ZIP files, such as PIC_TOOLS.ZIP and STAMP.ZIP.  Soon, I
think we will make the most important files available separately.  For now,
though, they are only available in the larger ZIP files.

We certainly don't want to make the tools unavailable.  Please let us know
if you still have problems getting them.


------------------------  Lance Walley  ---------------------------
                         Parallax, Inc.

1995\01\31@095343 by John S. Kallend

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1995\05\17@131855 by utc.com
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Here is my stab at fixing the 16bit counter problem

test   movlw  04
      movwf  hibyte     ;some test data

loop   movf   lobyte,w
      iorwf  hibyte,w
      btfsc  status,z
      goto   finish
      decf   lobyte                              *  changed line
      btfss  _v         ; #define ALUSTA,3 _v    *  added line
      goto   loop
      decfsz hibyte
      goto   loop
finish goto   finish
      end

Your basic flaw is that you were decrementing the high byte when the low byte
went to all zeros. You need to decrement the high byte when the low byte goes
to all ones!  I think this will work? Something tells me there is a
better (more efficient?) way to do this though?

Hope this helped

Roy

1995\05\21@235617 by Richard John Farmer

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With all the talk of hotrodding pics, which IMHO turns them into say hc11's,
why not not take a road not traveled? How many of you have had to design
something that had to catch data quickly or do combinatorial logic? By uC
standards a PIC is pretty fast, but it's no match for a PAL/GAL (name your
favorite FPGA). Combine a uC with an FPGA in the same package and you save
tons of interconnects. If the pins were configurable with some extended
version of the now defunct TRIS instruction you would have a winner.
Case in point, I recently built an ISA card and a PIC just isn't fast
enough to catch data off the bus so I had to use a latch. Half my PIC pins
went unused. You don't need anything as fancy as a 22v10, but take a 16cxx
core and extend it to say 48 pins (5 8 bit ports) with a little extra gating
between the pin and the port, and your close.

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1995\06\26@133644 by Berard
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Within the last 6 months or so I've seen someone
refer to a project that they were working on
that is similar to the 'Jumping Water Fountains'
found in EPCOT Center at Walt Disney World
in Florida. I've gone through the archived
log files (thanks Nick/Jory) but still can't find
any reference to this project - maybe I saw it
at someones WWW site?

I'm going to try my hand at controlling such a setup
with a PIC, but I would like to know what type
of water pump works best for this type of 'pulsed'
application.

If anyone knows the Email address of someone that has
already attempted this, or has any info that would
be helpful, I would appreciate it.

[Note: This is a series of water fountain 'jets' that
shoot a thick pulse of water approx. 6 feet to the next
fountain - in this manner, it looks like the water
'blobs' are leap-frogging along.]

Thanks, Don

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1995\06\27@085756 by Doug Sellner

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Using a pump for each fountain would be much to expensive, you should use
solenoid valves and one pump to increase performance, decrease cost.



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1995\06\27@102711 by Berard

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Thanks for all of the responses so far to my inquiries
on this subject.

I've thought about using a single water pump in this application
but am not sure that it will work for the following reasons:

First an explanation of the layout for those who have not had
the fun of playing in this water fountain system at Walt
Disney World (in EPCOT) with their kids:

       There are a series of water fountains placed approx
       4 to 6 feet apart that both 'spit' and 'catch'
       water blobs to/from each other.

       These water blobs randomly move between these fountains -
       sometimes only 1 'jumps' somtimes every other one jumps,
       and sometimes all fountains 'spit' to another.
       Note that a single fountain only spits to a single
       other fountain, and it is always the same one (I think).

Because the number of fountains 'spitting' at the same time is
not constant, the water pressure would drop as more fountains
spit, and it could be possible that the 'blobs' would not
travel as far - and not end up in the next fountains collectors.

Does anyone know of an inexpensive method to monitor/adjust
water pressure as quickly as it would seem to be needed?
(Or do I just make the collecting dishes very large and not
worry about this???)

So far I think that the 12 volt water valves used in automatic
lawn sprinkler systems (only about $15 USD) will work - as
controlled by a PIC, and that the water regulators used
at campsites to reduce high water pressure (110 psi) to a
lower pressure could work (approx $12 USD). [Maybe if I use
a single high pressure water supply, feed this to all of the
fountains, and each fountain has its own regulator the problem
would be solved - I'll try this...]

I've also thought about using a system of compressed air valves
to 'spit' the water through a custom 'jet', but I don't
know of any electrically controlled air valves - that are cheap...

Because my questions are not directly related to the PIC (yet)
feel free to Email any responses to me so that this doesn't
clog the PICLIST.

Thanks again for all or the responses so far, Don

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1995\07\05@141329 by Berard
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I've been following the discussion on IR communications
with some interest, and have a question about the protocol
used in commercial remote control units.

I have several hand held remote control boxes for TVs, VCR, cable
boxes etc., along with a 'multi-remote' unit that can be set to control
3 devices. I would like to be able to use one of these commercial
transmitters to provide the control for one of my PIC projects.

I have been playing around with the IR Control Receiver Modules from
Digi-Key (LT1033-ND  32.7 KHz), and Radio Shack (GP1U52X  40 KHz)

Where can I find the specs for the commercial transmitter - i.e. if
I set up the 'TV' output of the transmitter to a particular brand and
model of television (the multi-remote units have charts and tables
for this), what should I try to decode as a bit pattern at the output
of the receiver? I would like to find some actual specs, rather than
try and determine this with test equipment - this way I can set up
my own tables for the PIC.
In this manner, I could use the numeric keypad on the remote for
control purposes.

Thanks for any info, Don


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1995\07\06@054912 by Adrian Godwin

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> Where can I find the specs for the commercial transmitter - i.e. if
> I set up the 'TV' output of the transmitter to a particular brand and
> model of television (the multi-remote units have charts and tables
> for this), what should I try to decode as a bit pattern at the output
> of the receiver? I would like to find some actual specs, rather than
> try and determine this with test equipment - this way I can set up
> my own tables for the PIC.

Philips offer good documentation for the RC-5 protocol used in their
domestic products and, I think, a number of other manufacturers. This
appears in a booklet called "Remote Control System RC-5 including
command tables" published in December 1992. There may be some example
code around for this on the net, too, though I'm not sure where.

Sony use a different protocol : as far as I know it's still the system
described near <http://pasture.ecn.purdue.edu/~laird/Sony/index.html>.

-adrian

1995\07\11@103748 by Doug Sellner

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1995\08\28@091747 by TINUS VENTER
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How do one write data to the ports of a Pic 16C84
Tinus


1995\10\03@141513 by Daniel Rocha
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Hello there,

I am a new member.

Does anybody know of a good, cheap software simulator (freeware or shareware
will do) for the PIC family.

Daniel Rocha

1995\10\06@160110 by Jung Pyo Hong

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We have just ordered the cheaper one.  We will be happy to
let you know what we think of ... tell us what you thing
are hard concepts to code and we will see how the asm's compare.

Jung

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1995\10\07@132157 by Robin Abbott

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John Pelan said:
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> Speaking of Basic, do you have any intentions of slapping
> a GNU copyleft license on your PIC Basic ?

Robin says:
===========

Uh, what ?

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1995\10\11@023458 by Scott Stephens

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>Gerry Smith <KILLspamLIUKBspamBeGonespamKIRK.NORTHERNC.ON.CA> wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to find commonly used math expressions in my PIC
>>programming.  How do the majority accomplish the following:
>
Here's how I do equal's

if A=B call Equal to

movf    a,W
xorwf   b,W
btfsc   STATUS,Z
call    Equal_To

Be carefull about using Parallax macro's. I suffered from mixing them with
assembly code, by jumping in between instructions. Better off just learning
to use the Microchip code.

1995\10\12@224258 by Jung Pyo Hong

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Subject: mpasm ...

could someone put that in a ftp-able location ... or uploadit to
the www site?

Thanks.

1995\10\15@225858 by Doug Sellner

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SIGNOFF PICLIST

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1995\10\28@005235 by Jack Davis

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On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:17:44 -0700  Lee Jones wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:21:12 -0600, Harrison Cooper wrote:
>
>>I've started to play around with trying to sense a switched 110 VAC
>>signal.  I have brought it into an I/O pin (a diode protected pin),
>
>[snip]
>
>On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:20:26 +0100, Conny Andersson wrote:
>
>> Try this one:
>
>[diagram removed -- high ohm resistor input with diode voltage limiters]
>
>> The diodes are there for protection (voltagelimiting to 0-5V)
>
>Well, actual range is 0 minus 1 diode-drop to supply (nominally 5V)
>plus 1 diode-drop.  You might want to use a schottky diode to limit
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Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the below form and email to
them at:

                      potential.new.members.infospam_OUTspam@spam@0.5.5.1.7.6.9.8.1.7.1.tpc.int

*NOTE:   to make it easier for you to reply, I have put their address in
the "Reply-To" field, which means you can just use your email software to
reply to this message in order to get that address to pop-up in your "To:"
field.*

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the USA to
Finland and then back again when I moved last month.  They are very
knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 35 or 36 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a
charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie subs)
that varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to be very
friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change when I
moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff.  I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.


Sincerely,

Yoshio Koseki


ps.  please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it!  It is a great deal!  If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join!   If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occassion.  Please make sure to mention my name when
you join.   I will get a free magazine for a year for referring you.
Thank you.

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1995\11\23@124402 by Juan Jose Abba

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Pls. help.   After many attempts with the command "GET PICLIST9511" for example,
with no results I am now trying the following commands
INDEX  PICLIST
INFO DATABASE
also with no response at all.

I am addressing it to  "spamBeGoneLISTSERVspam_OUTspamRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU"
and also have tried ".....LISTSERVspamRemoveMEMITVMA.BITNET"

Is there anything wrong on my request

1995\11\26@180614 by scott

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can anyone point me to share/free ware windows pic 16c54 assembler
software.also looking for a good simulator not dos.
thanks scott.

1995\11\26@223631 by Andrew Warren

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scott@YOUNGGUN.DEMON.CO.UK wrote:

> can anyone point me to share/free ware windows pic 16c54 assembler
> software.

Sure, Scott... You can download Microchip's MPASM assembler from
their Web site:

       http://www.mchip.com/microchip

-Andy

Andrew Warren - fastfwdspam@spam@ix.netcom.com
Fast Forward Engineering, Vista, California


1995\12\04@215442 by n/a
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1995\12\12@120036 by .hval

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Does someone have PIC16c84 chips??

1995\12\16@100117 by origin c/o Postmaster

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> Hi I'm doing a project where I measure the amount of light in the room
> with a PIC16c71.  Does anyone know of a sensor that can measure light
> intensity?  Thanks.
>
Texas Instruments has a neat new series of sensors that output
a pulse train with frequency proportional to light intensity. Great
for direct digital input.
They have a web page. I'm reading my mail from home, but if you
can't find info by Monday, email me and I'll look up the part #.

Reg


....Reg Neale.............standard disclaimer applies.......
"Ignorance is a renewable resource."    P. J. O'Rourke......

1995\12\16@143719 by Alphonso Dalamitri

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>> Hi I'm doing a project where I measure the amount of light in the room
>> with a PIC16c71.  Does anyone know of a sensor that can measure light
>> intensity?  Thanks.
>>
>Texas Instruments has a neat new series of sensors that output
>a pulse train with frequency proportional to light intensity. Great
>for direct digital input.
>They have a web page. I'm reading my mail from home, but if you
>can't find info by Monday, email me and I'll look up the part #.
>
>Reg
>
>
>....Reg Neale.............standard disclaimer applies.......
>"Ignorance is a renewable resource."    P. J. O'Rourke......

Howdy - I think you're talking about the TSL213.

Who's scruffy looking?

1995\12\17@133701 by Harry Tenopoulos

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I am designing a time critical system using a 16C55 for the company i work.
What i am looking for is a sensor that will tell the difference between
small objects of different colour (yellow vs black and green)

Does anybody have anything in mind ?

Harry

1995\12\17@142426 by origin c/o Postmaster

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> In message <EraseME9512141120.aa09589RemoveMEspamSTOPspampunt-1.mail.demon.net>, Glyn Davies 'Gryn' writ
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> >So to that end, can anyone out there provide a copy of the protocol used to
> >talk to the PicStart boxes, or is it shrouded in secrecy.
> >
One of the problems with their totally non-standard protocol is that
it precludes use by the Mac community. The development tools run fine
under SoftPC or SoftWindows except - the computer and the programmer
board cannot communicate with each other because of this protocol.
Microchip gives the usual lame excuse that because the universe is DOS,
they can't be bothered with Macs.

>
....Reg Neale.............standard disclaimer applies.......
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1995\12\17@194501 by Brad Turner

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>I am designing a time critical system using a 16C55 for the company i work.
>What i am looking for is a sensor that will tell the difference between
>small objects of different colour (yellow vs black and green)
>
>Does anybody have anything in mind ?
>
>Harry

Harry I don't know about where you might find a supplier in USA but I know
that a Japan manufactured line called KEYANCE will sure be able to supply
such a device.  From my experience they are not cheap but are most certainly
a quality product.  They have a large inventory when it comes to sensors,
well worth a look.  I have also used products by AB but not too sure if they
carry sensors that give colour discrimination.
Regards  Kim  Turner.

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1995\12\26@180813 by Tommy Brown

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Hi all, I have been reading in the PICLIST digest I receive, about Juan
Jose Abba and his problems associated with only having e-mail access.
I also notice another gentleman, Joel Carvajal also having a similar
problem and there may be many others who are lurking around, who have
only an E-MAIL access to the Internet.

Recently (Dec 20, 1995), I visited the Microchip WEB location and
retrieved their HTML index pages relevant to Data Sheets, Application
notes, and Software.  I have already edited the html codes out, and
combined the files, I have zipped and uuencoded this file, with the
file size now less than 9K.

The INDEX has the complete URL address for each application note, data
sheet, or software.  The files are either post script or PDF format,
or program.  Each is described in some detail, and includes file size,
type and pages (PDF).  The PDF reader Acrobat can be retrieved from the
Microchip ftp site as well.

Anyone wants a copy, say so on piclist, and I will wait two weeks from this
posting, then I will send the uuencoded file mailing directly to all who
request a copy.  Also included will be instructions for retrieving files via
ftpmail.

For example I retrieved the preliminary data sheets (132 pages) for the new
PIC14000 via ftpmail on Dec 24:

Description                                  pgs  size  type

28-Pin Programmable Mixed Signal Controller  132  853K  PDF

ftp.ultranet.com/biz/mchip/lit/ASSP/40122a.pdf

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1996\03\13@024009 by steven Olson
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Has anyone yet used the new PIC programmer from ITU for $129? It is supposed
to program all PIC controller chips.

Sorry if this has been brought up before, I'm new to the list.

Steveo

1996\03\13@083622 by Newfound Electronics

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>Has anyone yet used the new PIC programmer from ITU for $129? It is supposed
>to program all PIC controller chips.

Um, that is all 16C PICs, not the 17Cxx devices.

Jim

>

1996\03\13@094702 by Philippe TECHER

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Hi all,

As I'm very insterested in R/C Receiver, I want to build a RC-receiver (PIC
based) which is able to decode R/C PCM Standard (Pulse Code Modulation).
Does any one know this standard ? Means code, pulse width and so on ...

Thanks to help me,

       Philippe.

1996\03\13@105434 by steveo

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>>Has anyone yet used the new PIC programmer from ITU for $129? It is supposed
>>to program all PIC controller chips.
>
>Um, that is all 16C PICs, not the 17Cxx devices.
>
That's right, all 16C PICs... er, sorry.

It's called the Warp-3. Has anyone had any experience with it.

SteveO.
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1996\03\14@081124 by Moshe Fish

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Appendix to the last message
I'm running on a 32KHz crystal with MCLR connected to Vcc a decoupling cap on
power and none of the port pins connected except the ones I test with an LED
and 1K resistor both to Vcc and Vdd
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Name   :Moshe Fish
E-mail :RemoveMEmfishspam_OUTspamnetvision.net.il
Date   :03/14/96
Time   :15:26:21

1996\03\26@135055 by Juan Abba

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1996\03\27@122903 by n Carstens

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FROM ANTON

>hi boys
>i am building a universal display unit for bike/car instrument
>board
>with a hitachi 44780 driver
>i've seen the f***ing manual U'd probably reply but the parallax
>info is
>not enough (or I can't read it well :-) ) 'cause i still don't
>understand what times what conditions lead to success
>the orig project works but does anybody have a full list of >commands
>thanx
>charley

Hey charley here is some info for you hope it helps!

pin leadout of display

1 = gnd
2 = vcc
3 = contrast (20k pot vcc and gnd and contrast to wiper)
4 = register select either (cg ram or dd ram) this selects wether
   you will write an instruction i.e. select place on screen or
   write data to screen in ascii format.
5 = r/w where write is active low
6 = e enable strobes data into display at rising edge
7 to 14 = D0 to D7

If using the dispaly in 4 bit mode D0-D3 not used.

Here is a short routine I use to initialsise the display into the 4bit mode
the wr_int and wr_inst are 2 subroutines used to write data to the display as
wel as the del5m delay 5milliseconds

             call       Del5m         ;Wait for at least 15msec
             call       Del5m
             call       Del5m
             movlw      30H           ;Reset code
             call       Wr_Init
             call       Del5m         ;Wait for at least 100usec
             movlw      30H          ;Reset code
             call       Wr_Init
             call       Del5m        ;Wait for display to finish
             movlw      30H          ;Select 4-bit interface
             call       Wr_Init
             call       Del5m        ;Wait for display to finish
             movlw      30H          ;Select 4-bit interface
             call       Wr_Init
             call       Del5m        ;Wait for display to finish
             movlw      20H          ;Display on/off control:
             call       Wr_Inst
             call       Del50u       ;Wait for display to finish
             movlw      56           ;Display on/off control:
             call       Wr_Inst
             call       Del5m        ;Wait for display to finish
             movlw      20H          ;Display on/off control:
             call       Wr_Inst
             call       Del50u       ;Wait for display to finish
             movlw      0CH          ;Display on/off control:
             call       Wr_Inst
             call       Del50u       ;Wait for display to finish


Here are some commands for dot matrix displays. I have found that most hd
displays from the east have all the same commands. Some screens i.e. 1 by 8
may be split up into 2 x 4 so that the first 4 chars is at 128-131 and the
second 4 chars are from 192-195. Also the 4 line by 20 chars are as follows
line 1 then line 3 then line 2 then line 4. All units have print positions on
either side so it is possible to print a char off screen and the scroll it
onto the screen.

To use the userer definable charecters do the following:

The first 8 locations are user programmable. location 0 = first 5 bit pattern
+64 (ccg ram) up to location 6 for the second location 7 to 14 same as before
until all 7 locations are filled. If you print 0 to screen you get your made
up character


FOR A 2 LINE 16 CHR THE FOLLOWING APPLIES
LINE 1 POSITION 1  TO 16 = 128 TO 143
LINE 2 POSITION 17 TO 32 = 192 TO 207
FOR A 4 LINE 20 CHR THE FOLLOWING APPLIES
LINE 1 POSITION 1  TO 20 = 128 TO 147
LINE 2 POSITION 21 TO 40 = 192 TO 211
LINE 3 POSITION 41 TO 60 = 148 TO 167
LINE 4 POSITION 61 TO 80 = 212 TO 231

                        THE INSTRUCTION SET

                                  128  64  32  16   8   4   2   1

INSTRUCTION    ADDRESS    RS  R/W  D7  D6  D5  D4  D3  D2  D1  D0

DISPLAY CLEAR             0   0    0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1

CURSOR HOME               0   0    0   0   0   0   0   0   1   *

ENTRY MODE SET            0   0    0   0   0   0   0   1  I/D  S

DISPLAY ON/OFF CONTROL    0   0    0   0   0   0   1   D   C   B

CURSOR DISPLAY SHIFT      0   0    0   0   0   1  S/C  R/L *   *

FUNCTION SET              0   0    0   0   1  D/L  1   0   *   *

CG RAM ADDRESS SET        0   0    0   1          Acg

DD RAM ADDRESS SET        0   0    1              Add

BUSY FLAG /ADDRESS READ   0   1   BF              AC

CG RAM/DD RAM DATA WRITE  1   0              WRITE DATA

CG RAM/DD RAM DATA READ   1   1              READ DATA

I/D=1:INCREMENT                      I/D=:0 DECREMENT
S  =1:DISPLAY SHIFT                  S  =:0 DISPLAY FREEZE
D  =1:DISPLAY ON                     D  =:0 DISPLAY OFF
C  =1:CURSOR ON                      C  =:0 CURSOR OFF
B  =1:CHAR AT CURSOR POSITION BLINKS B  =:0 CHAR DOES NOT BLINK
S/C=1:DISPLAY SHIFT                  S/C=:0 CURSOR MOVE
R/L=1:RIGHT SHIFT                    R/L=:0 LEFT SHIFT
DL =1:8 BITS                         DL =:0 4 BITS
BF =1:DURING INTERNAL OPERATION      BF =:0 END OF INTERNAL OPERATION

Just insert lines where appropriate.

THe display can be checked if busy by checking if bit 7 pin 14 is high.
If high display is busy otherwise next instruction can be sent.
I slapped this together in 5 clicks If you want any more info let me know
your email address and ill try and help with more info and routines.
Anton

1996\03\28@082409 by Sipke de Leeuw

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1996\04\04@090507 by Wynn A. Rostek
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I've never seen a crystal that you could pull 5%.  I've built several VXOs
(Variable Xtal Oscillators)
over the years and I've found that trying to pull most crystals more than half a
percent often
results in the creation of a VFO (Variable Frequency Oscillator) with the
frequency controlled
by the coil and cap.  I'd be very surprised if you could pull a 4.0 MHz crystal
more than 40KHz
with a trimmer cap.

Is the circuit on one of the quick protoboards, the type where you just plug
wires in?  These
have very high stray capacitance due to the way they are constructed.  Caps are
not usually
required when building on one of these, just plug the crystal in and go.

The first thing I'd do is go out and get another crystal.

Wynn Rostek

1996\04\15@195502 by root%localhost.bitnet

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Thanks
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1996\04\16@104440 by Muntak Son

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1996\05\08@093825 by Mark Peterson
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I have all items in 16B1 developer's kit, new, unused with books, chips (kit
comes with windowed cerdip 16C71 and 16C54). Look at a catalog (or call)
Digi-key for the contents of the kit. If you or someone you know wants to
get started in PIC programming, or if you don't have the 16B1's capability
to program the newer devices (16c61, 16c71, 16c84 and for $30 more from
Digi-key the 16c62x devices), drop me a line. <mapspam_OUTspamtidepool.com>. $100 U.S.


1996\07\30@132227 by Jimmie Curry
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----------- Quest for IEEE 754 Floating point routines on Microchip
PIC17C44 ---------------

Help,
       I am developing a new product which requires floating point math: add,
subtract, multiply, divide, square root, and cube root. I'm looking for
assembly
source code which can be integrated into my design.
I would be willing to purchase fully tested code as I am in a time crunch.

       Can anyone provide the above?

       If not, can anyone reference me to someone who can?

Thanks for your help.

       Jimmie Curry
       Jim Curry and Assoc.
       13339 N. Central Expy
       Dallas, TX
       Voice:  214 680-1540

1996\07\30@135841 by myke predko

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Jimmie,

Check out Application Note 575 ("AN575") in the Microchip Web Page.  It
contains everything you're looking for (including code which can be
downloaded) except for the roots (and code/algorithms have been on PICLIST
recently).

Good luck,

Myke
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Do you ever feel like an XT Clone caught in the Pentium Pro Zone?


1996\08\07@100236 by Mark Herold
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------------------- Doc1 follows --------------------
Hi All,

I have several projects planned for the future which will be
using several different communication standards, namely CAN,
LON, and possibly fieldbus. At present I am just beginning
the required literature search, and learning curve <smile>,
for these standards and as such I would appreciate any
information sources that members of this listserver have
found useful.

A list of texts, web sites, and ASIC manufactures that make
products for these standards would be of great aid, not only
for myself, but I would think also for the members of the
this list as well.


Mark

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1996\08\21@000515 by Russ

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>Date:    Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:59:00 -0400
>From:    DOM ALTAMURO <dom.altamurospamBeGonespam.....CONSULTANT.COM>
>Subject: In circuit prog 16C84
>
>Want to program a 16C84 when it is in circuit.
>
>Took a look at Micromint PICSTIC schematic to see
>how they did it, and it mostly makes sense to me.
>
>Programmer needs access to
>RB7 Data
>RB6 Clock
>Vdd 5V
>Vss Gnd
>MCLR reset/programming voltage

Suggest you read my article in June '94 Circuit Cellar INK magazine (page 22).
It covers everything on PIC16C84 programming as well as the PICSPA programmer
and PICPRO prototyping board from HOPCO.  It also discusses how you can program
the '84 in circuit.

Dr. Russ Reiss @ HOPCO
EMAIL: KILLspamtechspam.....hopco.com
Website: http://www.hopco.com

1996\08\24@041416 by Alan McFarland

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Hi-

Does anyone have any experience using a PIC to decode the DMX-512 theater
lighting control protocol?  I need some decode routines for this protocol
for a gadget I'm trying to build... if anybody could help, it'd be greatly
appreciated!

Thanks--

--Alan McFarland

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1996\08\26@075338 by Vikram BAJAJ

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Hi everyone,

I am a complete beginer to Micro-controllers.

1. Can any one suggest which microcontroller would be the best to start
with in PIC series and what tools would I need to use any where can I
get them, if possible in shareware? Is there any book for beginner or
any material available on the net?

2. For my first project I want to design a techometer with LCD display.
Has anyone got information on this. I looked at STAMP basic example which
uses a 'pulsin' command. Is there any way I can convert this code into
assembly code?

3. I understand there is shareware PCB designer available, where can
download this software from?

Thanks,

Vikram
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1996\08\26@123042 by nogueira

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Vikram BAJAJ wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am a complete beginer to Micro-controllers.
>
> 1. Can any one suggest which microcontroller would be the best to start
> with in PIC series and what tools would I need to use any where can I
> get them, if possible in shareware? Is there any book for beginner or
> any material available on the net?
> Vikram
> ------

The best way to start is with a 16C84 and my ProPic programmer,
Its avaible in my homepage.

The programmer run under Windows and it's very easy to use.

And you can register for just US$ 19.00

Octavio
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1996\08\26@154226 by William J Kitchen

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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:42:48 +0200 Vikram BAJAJ
<KILLspamvikramspamspamBeGoneGTC13.MATRAMHS.FR> writes:
>Hi everyone,
>
>I am a complete beginer to Micro-controllers.
>
>1. Can any one suggest which microcontroller would be the best to start
>with in PIC series and what tools would I need to use any where can I
>get them, if possible in shareware? Is there any book for beginner or
>any material available on the net?

The most often reccommended PIC for beginners is the PIC16C84.  There are
several reasons for this.  One is that it has eeprom program memory
instead of eprom.  This allows easy reprogramming without UV erasing.
Another is that the '84 is one of the simplest to build a programmer
for.  There are several very simple designs that you can build yourself
for very little money if you are inclined to do it yourself.  These
designs are available on the web and on Microchip's BBS.  A good place
to start getting info is from Microchip's web page.  It's URL is
http://www.microchip.com.  Device data, application notes, and very good
development tools (assembler, simulator, etc.) are available free from
this web page.  It also has some links to third party PIC related web
pages that you can use to track down more info.  You might also want to
try logging in to Microchip's BBS.  This can be reached by telnet at
mchipbbs.microchip.com, or you can get to it through Compuserve using
the instructions that are given in the back of most Microchip product
data sheets and other literature.

>2. For my first project I want to design a techometer with LCD display.
>Has anyone got information on this. I looked at STAMP basic example
which
>uses a 'pulsin' command. Is there any way I can convert this code into
>assembly code?

PIC assembly is very easy to learn.  I'm not familiar with the STAMP or
it's 'pulsin' command, so I can't give a specific way to code it in
assembler, but suffice it to say that reading inputs and measuring times
are easy to do in PIC assembly language.

>3. I understand there is shareware PCB designer available, where can
>download this software from?

You can download a PCB layout program called EasyTrax from
http://www.protel.com.  You can also get information and demos for Protel's
full featured professional software from this site.


                                       Peace,
                                       William Kitchen

1996\08\27@052203 by Andy Errington

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The best way to start is with a PIC16C84, and the information from my
home page which is FREE!

http://www.lancs.ac.uk/staff/cpaame/pic/pic.htm

Andy
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1996\08\27@115606 by Juan Jose Abba

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I will like to be able to log into Microchip BBS using TELNET.

Which login should be used when telnet screen opens up.????
thanks in advance
juan



At 11:39 26/08/96 CST, you wrote:
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>You might also want to
try logging in to Microchip's BBS.  This can be reached by telnet at
mchipbbs.microchip.com, or you can get to it through Compuserve using
the instructions that are given in the back of most Microchip product
data sheets and other literature.

>
>                                        Peace,
>                                        William Kitchen
>
>

1996\08\27@224022 by William J Kitchen

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On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:56:20 -0300 Juan Jose Abba <KILLspamjuanabbaspamBeGonespamAX.APC.ORG> writes:
>I will like to be able to log into Microchip BBS using TELNET.
>
>Which login should be used when telnet screen opens up.????
>thanks in advance

You can reach them at mchipbbs.microchip.com, or 198.175.253.67 if you'd
rather use a numeric IP address.  When you connect for the first time,
you will have to log in as "new" and create a new account for yourself.



                                       Peace,
                                       William Kitchen


1996\09\15@040135 by guillermo lorenzo
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1996\09\23@143122 by Les Troyer

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Several weeks ago I asked about protocol for TI graphing calculators.  Thanks
for thoes of you who took the time to respond.  I'll post working code as
soon as I get it developed.  This project is low priority so doesn't get worked
as often as I like.

http://www.ticalc.org had lots of code for DOS/Windows, I'll adapt this for the pic.
It looks like the protocol is an externally clocked serial with a software
protocol.  The interface is 2 wires + ground (clock + data).  The calculator
and remote host can acquire the bus by activating the clock line.  If anyone
is interested in my progress (ie. before its put in the can) let me know
and I'll keep you updated.



Thanks to:
Walter Anderson, CCP
Patrick Smith
Octavio Nogueira
Philip Lalone

Thanks again!!!
P.S. since this group likes esoteric questions--- there are bonus points for
correctly Identifying the alias of the WELL KNOWN author of the signiture line,
and where he uttered this infamous quote.


Les Troyer
Sr. Analyst
Siemens Power Corp
2101 Horn Rapids Rd.
Richland, Wa. 99352-0130

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The origional Question On Wed, 18 Sep 1996,

Does any one have info on the protocol used in TI graphing calculators.  I
am persuing an application in which a pic would collect data for a short
period of time.  I would like to then display the data on a graphing type
calculator.  I know using a PC with Excel would be easier; but at a much higher
cost.


From: spamBeGonewandrsonspamOnramp.NET

Check out http://www.ticalc.org/

There is information on the link protocols, programming the calcs in
assembler.  There is even information on using the port as an I2C
interface.  The latter includes a sample circuit and software for a
temperature measuring device.
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From: "Smith, Patrick" <RemoveMEPatsmithspamspaminfrared.csc.ti.com>

Les,
Programming and technical assistance for TI Calc's (according to
800-TICARES) is  817-774-6827
They also told me that they can be reached by e-mail at TakeThisOuTti-caresspamspamRemoveMEti.com
Hope this helps

Pat

From: "Smith, Patrick" <KILLspamPatsmithspamspamspam_OUTinfrared.csc.ti.com>

Did you try going here and filling out the "Question and comment feedback
form"?
Even though I work at TI , This has worked for me in the past.\

Pat
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From: nogueira <EraseMEnogueiraSTOPspamspamRemoveMEMANDIC.COM.BR>
Subject:      Re: TI-Calculator serial protocol's


Some time ago I did the same thing but using HP48GX
and I used infrared comunications, but I'm sure TI is
diferent.

Octavio
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From: Philip Lalone <TakeThisOuTplaloneRemoveMEspam@spam@ALPHAX.COM>
The protocol and complete technical information for all TI calculators
is available at http://www.ticalc.org.
                                               Philip Lalone
                                               Alpha-X Development

1996\09\23@205638 by Wireless Scientific

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>At 12:38 AM 9/24/96 GMT, Ron Hansen wrote:
>>That sounds very interesting.  I'd like to see how you did it, but what
>>is an ECH?

Microchip's Embedded Control Handbook. You can read it online.

I believe that I based my code on

AN555 Software Implementation of Asynchronous Serial I/O

I remember that because of the 555.


That was my first project that went into production, I used AN555 code as a
baseline. That design required some high performance tweaking. Basically I
performed other tasks while waiting for bit transitions.

Recently I've started using the CCS C compiler that has a software uart
function that works great! I'd recommend it for those of you who won't want
to get into bit timing and all the crap that goes along implemented your own
software uart. If you are working on projects that involve half duplex
communication the CCS compiler makes code writing a piece of cake. I got
mine for $99.

craig
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Wireless Scientific, Inc.
1890 S. 14th, Suite 105
Amelia Island, FL 32034
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904 261 2129 fax
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1996\09\26@173235 by Bradley, Larry

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Jay Shroff asked:

>Is there an online version of the Embedded control handbook or do I need
>to purchase it from Mchip?


The Embedded Controller Handbook is basically the Microchip Application
Notes that you can get on the web. I talked by local disrtibuter into
giving me a copy, only to find that I already has most of the stuff from
downloading.


Larry Bradley
Manager, Network Special Projects
National Research Council, Ottawa CANADA
Phone: 613-993-1649
E-Mail:spamLarry.Bradley.....spamspamnrc.ca


1996\10\07@084848 by William Sadler
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Can somebody point me to a description of the PIC assembly language
syntax as used by MPLAB.

William Sadler.

1996\10\07@093956 by Larry G. Nelson Sr.

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At 01:03 PM 10/7/96 +0100, William Sadler wrote:
>Can somebody point me to a description of the PIC assembly language
>syntax as used by MPLAB.
>
>William Sadler.

Use the help menu. Click on MPASM Help and then Inctruction Sets. This will
give you a good stare. You can also go to the Microchip Web site and
download a manual in PDF format but I think the help file is easier and
should smooth out any rough spots quickly.
Larry G. Nelson Sr.
L.Nelsonspam_OUTspam@spam@ieee.org
http://www.ultranet.com/~nr

1996\10\09@025057 by Ronald Leenes

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Nigel Goodwin suggested:

>What about the MAC, does that
>have a nice port you can 'wiggle' pins up and down?. Assuming it has, it
>should be pretty easy to convert David Tait's Basic or C source code to
>implement a 16C84 programmer.
>
>Nigel.

That won't do the Mac serial port has one output pin short for David's
programmer to work.
The Mac has Tx, Rx, Hski & Hsko (handshake in,out like RTS and CTS) and
Gpi (general purpose in). Only Hski, Hsko and Gpi can be toggled properly.

I would settle for a proper serial programmer for now. The rest
(assembler/simulator) will follow later.

Ronald

1996\10\09@194637 by Bob Blick

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Good idea about the extra pins on the Mac serial port. Remember, the Mac has
TWO serial ports, so you could theoretically have 6 general purpose pins! Go
for it!

-Bob


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1996\10\14@095228 by eter J. (GEA, 068974 )

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Have any of you received a Warning [224] for the 16C84 when using a TRIS
command??
I have successfully assembled an file for the 16C54 w/ no warnings or
errors, but if I
change the assembler directives for a 16C84 the following warning is
found whenever
a TRIS is used.

-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ .LST OUTPUT SAMPLE  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

00DF 3000           00408         MOVLW   B'00000000'     ; Set SDA, SCL
as outputs
Warning[224]: Use of this instruction is not recommended.
00E0 0066           00409         TRIS    RB

-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  END OF SAMPLE  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Peter J. Cesarz

1996\10\14@192141 by Esko Dijk

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1996\11\01@080935 by Peter Grey
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I am subscribed to this mail list but I do not know how to subscribe another
person. Can anyone assist?

TIA,

Peter Grey
Australia

1996\11\01@193450 by Chee Foon Tiang

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>I am subscribed to this mail list but I do not know how to subscribe another
>person. Can anyone assist?

>TIA,

>Peter Grey
>Australia

Send mail from the OTHER persons account to EraseMELISTSERV@spam@spam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU with
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SUBSCRIBE PICLIST <name>

fill in the name portion e.g. Peter X. Grey

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1996\11\04@062357 by Lincoln M C

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1996\11\04@064238 by Dmitry Kiryashov

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1996\11\09@064339 by Ola Samuelson

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Help!
The problem - I know NOTHING about electronics, BUT I am
a programmer and I am in need of a special board with
a microcontroller that I can program.

This is what I need:
1 : A board with a socket for a PIC16C73/71/84.
   All components that are reuired to make it run.(Oscillators, resistors,
    voltage regulators.....whatever)
    A 9-pin serial connection that I can connect to my PC RS-232 port.
    A terminal for supplying the whole setup with +5v.
    Terminals for connecting 4 voltages to the A/D channels.

    What I want to do is program the pic to sample voltages at a
    programmable frequency, do some
    calculations and then send the data to the pc via the serial port(after
    issuing an interrupt).It is all for experimental use so it does not have to look              good or anything. Everything should be on one board with room
    enough if I have to add any components.

2. A fully built and tested programmer for the PIC that I would use
for the above application with     development tools.


This is what I need help with, please:
1. Pls suggest the optimal PIC-chip for me.
  It should require as few other components as possible to do the job
  and it must not be expensive. Having to program the serial I/O is ok by me
  if it means that I can use a cheaper PIC.

2. Could someone please supply me with a board layout that
   could work for my application?! Just a simple sketch with components
  and how they are connected will do.

3. Pls suggest a programmer/development tool suitable for the PIC.
   

What do You think? Problems?
Other suggestions/solutions?

Thanks & Regards
OLA SAMUELSON
TakeThisOuTolaspamdatalink.se

1996\11\20@125103 by Andy Errington

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Hi,

check out my PIC page at

http://www.lancs.ac.uk/staff/cpaame/pic/pic.htm

I hope you will find it useful to you.

>
>Help!
>The problem - I know NOTHING about electronics, BUT I am
>a programmer and I am in need of a special board with
>a microcontroller that I can program.
>
>
> What do You think? Problems?
> Other suggestions/solutions?

I would advise you to try and get familiar with the basic hardware for a
PIC system, e.g. PIC, crystal, voltage regulator and perhaps some LEDs.
You can put them together on a solderless breadboard, but you will
probably have to make your own programmer.  If you cannot use a
soldering iron then team up with someone who can.  You will learn an
awful lot by doing things yourself and making mistakes than having
everything done for you (if you can put up with the frustration).

Andy (the other one)

1996\11\25@165153 by Norm LeMieux

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    Peter wrote:

    Date:    Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:47:26 -0800
    From:    peter cousens <spamBeGonepeterKILLspamspamTakeThisOuTCOUSENS.HER.FORTHNET.GR> Subject: Re:
    PIC Spreadsheet

    Norm LeMieux wrote:
    >
    >      To all: Would it be better to get a pdf version of the Excel
    >      spreadsheet? Acrobat is, after all, available "free" from many
    >      locations (such as your Microchip CD-ROM). The only caveat is:
    can
    >      John 'print' in Acrobat format? >
    >      Well, John, can you?
    >
    >      Norm LeMieux
    >      MCHIP FAE/NW

    I can print pdf but don't want to, it takes so long ! Excel is far
    quicker so please anything but pdf.
    Also maybe you should reconsider using pdf at mchip
    the 16f84 data sheet takes 12hours to print on my machine (486dx33
    8meg ram hp-deskjet 540)
    I am personally near the point of refusing to accept any more
    pdf files as I do with Images (if I can't navigate a site without
    loading Images then I leave the site)
    If you have to ask what's wrong with loading images then you are too
    far from reality to help
    I would like to thank John Magrane for posting this to the list in
    whatever form he finds the easiest

    --
    Peter Cousens

    ------------------------------------END REPLY-------------------------

    Peter:

    I was not recommending anyone send the included file to a hardcopy
    machine. Creating a pdf file is as simple as selecting "PDFWriter" in
    the Chooser, and hitting command-P. Instead of going out to a printer,
    one is asked for the file name to store the information to, so it acts
    like it is 'printing'. (PC-equivalent assumed.)

    I would not recommend that ANYONE acutally create hardcopy of pdf
    files unless they had a Postscript machine. Having it displayable by a
    public domain (sic) program that takes advantage of the bit-mapped
    graphics on your screens was my only intent of recommending Acrobat.

    Norm LeMieux
    MCHIP FAE/NW

    PS: Thanks for my first flame :)

1996\11\26@005819 by Hank Gupton

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Peter Cousens wrote:

>     Also maybe you should reconsider using pdf at mchip
>     the 16f84 data sheet takes 12hours to print on my machine (486dx33
>     8meg ram hp-deskjet 540)

 Don't listen to him, Microchip!  He will eventually upgrade his hardware.
Don't ruin it for the rest of us.

>     I am personally near the point of refusing to accept any more
>     pdf files as I do with Images (if I can't navigate a site without
>     loading Images then I leave the site)

 Can't handle image files either, eh?  How fast is your modem?


>     If you have to ask what's wrong with loading images then you are too
>     far from reality to help

 There is a menu item in Netscape called "Options / Auto Load Image".  Make
sure it is unchecked.


>     I would like to thank John Magrane for posting this to the list in
>     whatever form he finds the easiest

 Ms-Excel is not a univeral format.  Even between different _versions_ of
Ms-Excel, there is a problem.

 -- Hank


1996\12\16@111732 by agostino
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I desire to know  if is possible to remove the code of protection from a
contained program in a pic 16C57.
Thank You.

1996\12\16@234830 by tjaart

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agostino wrote:
>
> I desire to know  if is possible to remove the code of protection from a
> contained program in a pic 16C57.
> Thank You.

Sure - Buy a jackhammer and gently chip off the edges until you have
opened the chip package. Now take your soldering iron and carefully
desolder all the little gold wires between the chip and the pins.

Place a piece of carboc paper on top of the chip and gently hit it with
a hammer until the code is imprinted on the carbon paper.

Take the carbon paper and scan it into your computer with a drum scanner
. Download the file into your new PICs and VOILA! You have succsessfully
stolen some shmuck's hard labour. Of course, if you are of the sort that
try to steal other people's hard labour, this won't bother you (even in
the least)

The other (quicker) method, is to write the program yourself. If you are
unable to do it because of inexperience, then the PIClist is for you. If
you are unable to do it because you are lazy, then
alt.sex.pic.in.the.butt might be a better forum to discuss your
programming (and software stealing) tecniques.

I hope you can sleep at night.

(If you posted the question because you want to protect your own
software, then the above does not apply to you, of course.)

--
Friendly Regards

Tjaart van der Walt
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1996\12\18@001629 by Chee Foon Tiang

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Kalle Pihlajasaari replied:

>Tony,

>> I am having trouble initializing my 2x8 optrex
>> lcd w/hd44780a
>> Is it necessary to pull the unused inputs to the
>> lcd low externally ?

>Yes.

No!!
The HD44780 is internally pulled-up. Therefore,
you can leave it open.

Regards,

Peter Tiang
spamtiangcfoonspamhitachi.com.my

1996\12\19@191357 by Tony Matthews

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Chee Foon Tiang wrote:
>
> Kalle Pihlajasaari replied:
>
> >Tony,
>
> >> I am having trouble initializing my 2x8 optrex
> >> lcd w/hd44780a
> >> Is it necessary to pull the unused inputs to the
> >> lcd low externally ?
>
> >Yes.
>
> No!!
> The HD44780 is internally pulled-up. Therefore,
> you can leave it open.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Tiang
> tiangcfoonSTOPspamspamhitachi.com.my
I knew about the pullup's from the faq's but was looking for some
explanation for my difficulty. Thanks Tony M.


1997\01\08@122840 by Bob Fehrenbach
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Mungo Henning <mungohSTOPspamspamKILLspamITACS.STRATH.AC.UK> wrote:
>output the patterns for a suitable-worded message (and it's
>not "wheeeee!" that I'm thinking of :-)

Back around 1981 I designed a unit which did exactly that.  In fact,
we used three columns of LEDs - red, yellow and green and by
combining them we were able to get a number of interesting colors.
Since this is a "dot matrix" all sorts of graphics were possible.
The timing to get one color to lay on top of another was a little
tricky but once it was worked out it was quite effective.

The electronics was built around an RCA 1802 processor - anyone else
ever use one of these?  No interrupts, no onboard timers, no call
instruction, all indirect addressing.  A fun project.

The person who came up with the idea actually got a patent on it.
I can look up the number if anyone is interested.  (Relative to the
thread on intellectual property - this other guy had the idea, I did
the work, he got the patent.  What's wrong with this picture?)


--
Bob Fehrenbach    Wauwatosa, WI     @spam@bfehrenb.....spamspamexecpc.com

1997\01\08@123307 by optoeng

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 (Relative to the
> thread on intellectual property - this other guy had the idea, I did
> the work, he got the patent.  What's wrong with this picture?)
>
> --
> Bob Fehrenbach    Wauwatosa, WI     spambfehrenb.....spam.....execpc.com

Absolutely nothing.  There are different reward systems for different
kinds of effort
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AEngineering Co.
optoeng.....spamwhidbey.com
non-contact sensing and optoelectronics specialists

1997\01\09@142959 by Ted Linn

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>> PS: If you find cheap optical encoders, pleas mail me, I am still interested!
>
>I too would be interested in the information.
>
>
>Richard Rosenheim
>KILLspamrrosespam_OUTspamaccessnv.com
>
>

I don't know  if its cheap enough, but Digikey has Grayhill optical rotary
encoders
for $18.86 in ones.

Ted

1997\01\11@051459 by Rodolfo V. Moreno

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University of California Berkely has some technology available.
spam_OUTTTDspamTakeThisOuTlbl.gov Http://http://www.lbl.gov/Tech-Transfer.

Electochromic optical switching device
Made of electrically conductive films, electrochromic film and a
reversibly polymeric electrolyte to make an opticle switching device for a
variety of applications.
The device consists of five layers. The electrochromic film is switched
from transparency to opacity by controlled ion movement caused by minor
changes in electrical current. Applications include energy-saving windows,
eyeglasses, watches and computer display screens. Maybe even automobile
glass that tints when you press a button. PIC apps?

Automobile Fuel Atomizer.
http://www.bluecrow.com/fuel2000

1997\01\13@011241 by Ben Wirz

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Hello Everyone,

    Wirz Electronics has a new product that we would like to introduce to
everyone.

    The Serial LCD Interface (SLI) is a self contained display unit with
TTL and RS232 compatible asynchronous serial inputs. The unit is designed to
allow the engineer, technician, or hobbyist to integrate it into a circuit
with a minimum of interfacing requirements.  Jumperless control and
automatic detection of data rates eliminates difficult interfaces and
complex controlling code.  Low cost and line-powering features make it
suitable for use in commercial products.  With both alphanumeric and
hexadecimal display mode, SLI is a powerful debugging and display tool for
many applications.

Features:

  Jumperless Control/Operation
  Wide Baud Range, 30 to 125,000 bps
  RS232 and TTL Compatible
  RS232 Serial Powered *
  Auto-Baud Rate Detection
  ASCII and Hex Display Mode
  D Sub 9 Female Connector (DB-9) and IDC Connector
  Allows direct control of the LCD functions and features
  Designed for all 8x1 to 40x2 character HD44780 controlled
  LCDs with 14x1 pin connectors

Suggested Retail Price for a complete SLI Kit: $25.00 (US)
Suggested Retail Price for a complete SLI Kit and 16x2 LCD: $30.00 (US)

More information can be found at:  http://wirz.com/sli/

An Adobe Acrobat SLI Technical Reference is available at:
ftp://wirz.com/Serial_LCD/sli.pdf

Distributors:

Australia
DonTronics
PO Box 595, Tullamarine 3043
Tel: +613 9338-6286 Fax: +613 9338-2935
http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~donmck/

South Africa
Interface Products (Pty) Ltd.
PO Box 15775, Doornfontein 2028
Tel: +27 (11) 402-7750 Fax: +27 (11) 402-7751
http://www.ip.co.za/ip/

United States
Wirz Electronics
6100 Pershing 2-A, St. Louis MO 63112
Tel: +1 (314) 862-3370 Fax: +1 (314) 862-3371
http://www.wirz.com/


Sincerely,

Ben Wirz
Wirz Electronics
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1997\01\17@034441 by

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Hi
I«m new to the list.
Is there anybody in here that are doing applications for electronic music
with the PIC ?
Anders, Sweden
www.tellus.vallentuna.se/gymninfo/personal/anders/andersus.html

1997\01\27@043421 by Craig Houston SS96

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Hi there,

I was wondering if anyone out there had any information on hooking up PICs in
a network like structure.  One way I was thinking on doing it is using the
Transmit and recieve lines on all the PICs connected (Tx -> Rx) and using
a third wire as a kind of token carrier.

Does this sound like a good idea? If not could anyone suggest anything, and
point me to some info on a better / easier to implement one.

My plan is to have a bunch of PICs controlling various things, at different
locations throughout the house, and wanted to link them all up - short of
using a master PIC with all Tx / Rx lines from each PIC going into it, I
thought a network topology would be best.

Is this what the I2C bus is?  I am not too clued up on this.

Thanks in advance,

Craig.

1997\01\28@005516 by Paul Dodd

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Craig,

The SPI mode of the synchronous serial port may be just what you are looking
for.  You can disable the SDO pin of all the slave PICs, so they are all
listening to the messages.  Then when they are addressed by the master, they
can enable their SDO pin to communicate.  One easy communication format
would be to use the MSB of the data to mark whether you are choosing which
PIC to talk to or you are sending data.  The other seven bits can then be
used as the PIC selector or data.  This would allow up to 128 PICs in the
network.

Paul W. Dodd
Oak Valley Development
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(408)489-9623
http://www.oakvalley.com

1997\01\29@174021 by Cory Raak

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Does anyone out there have a pcad symbol for the ltc1298 a/d and also but not as important a prt.
I know this is a little off the topic of pics but it is for a pic app that I am working on and this is the only list I could send to on a short notice!!!
Thanks in advance and please respond direct!!!

Cory D. Raak
Electronics Technician
PCB Developer
Gentex Corporation
Email EraseMEcoryrspamBeGonespamKILLspamgntx.com
"You either do or do not.  There is no try."     Yoda


1997\02\01@055640 by Michel Van den Bergh
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Date:    Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:26:03 +0200
From:    Barbaros ASUROGLU <RemoveMEta2cbaspamBeGonespamspamAMPR-GW.METU.EDU.TR>
Subject: RS-232 based Porgrammer

{Quote hidden}

In my case it didn't work. However I made a tiny modification to the
circuit, adding a zener and a 9V battery, and now it works
perfecty. The battery delivers virtually no current, and so it will
last forever. It only serves to get the 12V programming voltage.


I'll try to draw an asci diagram of the modification I made.



TX ---------------------> To diode and LM78L05
              |
              |
            9V battery
              |
              _
             | |
             | | 10k
             | |
              -
              |
              |----> To VPP of Pic
              |
             ---
             / \ 12Vzener
             ---
              |
GND------------

Hope this helps, Michel

1997\02\06@031140 by David BALDWIN

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       Hi everybody, I am new to the mailing list and my english is quite
bad, so...

       I just made a 16C84 programmer according to the schematic of
David Tait. I made a beautyfull PCB with Eagle3.02. I am using the PIP02
software under DOS and PICSER under Windows. I thing this programmer is
able to programm '71, '61, ... but not '16C54 ...

       I had like to know if someone did a kind of motherboard for 84 with
EEPROM 93LC56, and a 16 x 2 LCD. I had like to test the LCD + PIC to make
a clock or something like this to see how to use the LCD.

       Can somebody help me? Thanks

- david

1997\02\24@183140 by jim ruxton

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I am designing a small digital voltmeter and current meter to build into a
piece of equipment. I'm probably going to use a 16c73 or 16c74.
 I would like to be able to measure 0 to 40 Volts and 0 to 20 Amps. In the
lower range ( 0 to 25 Volts) I wanted .1 volt of resolution. If I feed the
input voltage through a 5.1:1 voltage divider network and  into an A/D pin
clamping the voltage at 5 volts I should get .1 volts per step ie. 255 =
25.5 volts, using Vdd = 5 volts as the reference.  My problem is what do I
do to read above  25.5 volts with lower resolution? I was thinking about
switching in a further 2:1 divider network with a FET when my A/D reads 255
and scaling the result in software to reflect the 2:1 division.
 For  measuring current  I am planning on using a .01 ohm shunt, ie. 20
Amps would yield .2 Volts. I would scale Vdd down to .2 volts (25:1) and use
that as Vref. For measuring voltage as described above  I would change the
A/D settings and use Vdd as the reference voltage.
 Can anyone suggest some way to simplify this project especially the
voltage measurement scaling. I would like to do away with the FET if
possible. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
                                                      Jim

1997\02\25@081217 by Wolfram Liebchen

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At 18:26 24.02.97 EST, Jim wrote:
>I am designing a small digital voltmeter and current meter to build into a
>piece of equipment. I'm probably going to use a 16c73 or 16c74.
>                                                       Jim
>
Jim,
do you think it's worth the effort?

You can buy 3 1/2 digit meters with ICL7106, including the LCD
as a module for DM 10,- ($ 6,-) in Germany. Should be even better
in US.

regards,

Wolfram


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1997\02\25@201502 by Peter Grey

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At 02:09 PM 25/02/97 +0100, you wrote:
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Jim,

I am designing a voltmeter for a particular application and am using the
16c74. However for the voltage input I am using the ICL7135 along with some
range switching solid state switches. I will be able to measure from
millivolts to 200 volts.

Best of luck,

1997\02\27@213001 by Norm LeMieux

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    John Payson wrote:
    Consider as well, by the way, that CLRW may behave similarly; even if
    Mchip
    adds logic to ensure that 000000x xxxxxxx instructions don't read
    memory, the
    CLR instruction probably will continue to do so.

    Note that this has been changed in recent versions of the assembler.
    Since binary uses 1's and 0's, and not x's, CLRW had to code to
    something, and it was invariably all 0's. This meant that a dummy read
    would be performed by the state machine of address 0x00, or the INDF.

    As was pointed out, if the FSR pointed to a register that could be
    affected by a read, it would be. And I had a customer with a
    communications routine that "worked" with the old encoding (dummy read
    @ INDF) and "broke" at the new 0x01 address (dummy read @ TMR0). This
    merely pointed out that their code may have been clearing flags in the
    USART register that FSR was pointing to.

    Norm LeMieux
    MCHIP FAE/NW

    PS: I got into the habit of 0x'ing on the R3000...


1997\03\05@190138 by Duncan Christie
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Hi all,

I was looking at the schematics for the com84, and it looks very simple compared
to the other programmers.  What do the other programmers do that it doesn't???

Thanks,

Duncan

1997\03\11@202249 by jhobbs

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Can someone send me the list address to subscribe to?
Not the posting one, i.e. this one.


Be careful of the toes you step on today,
They may be connected to the ass that you
may have to kiss tomorrow.

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1997\03\13@153953 by jhobbs

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Can someone send me the list address to subscribe to again?

There was a problem with the new provider and the name server.

Try this one;  KILLspamjhobbsspamTakeThisOuTquiknet.com

Thanks


Be careful of the toes you step on today,
They may be connected to the ass that you
may have to kiss tomorrow.

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1997\03\15@073844 by j.tang

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Hello guys:
   I am now dealing a project that need two pics to communicate by using hand
shaking . Can somebody warmhearted give me some program or tips to do this.
I use porta bit 1 and 2 as hand shaking line.
                        thank you

1997\03\15@210913 by lmclaren

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j.tang wrote:
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> Hello guys:
>     I am now dealing a project that need two pics to communicate by using hand
> shaking . Can somebody warmhearted give me some program or tips to do this.
> I use porta bit 1 and 2 as hand shaking line.
>                          thank you

Hi there,
Depending on what type of pic you are using (with or without uart) you
can just send serial back and forward.
If you dont have a uart the other chip depending what else it is doing
may be too busy to get back in time to see the start of a serial bit.
In these cases you can get sneaky and use the rx line comming from the
other chip as a request for attention, eg pull it low and leave it low
until you receive data comming from the other chip. while it is low you
will have to keep a close watch on incomming data.

regards,
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1997\03\16@193013 by Dwayne Reid

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G'day, all

I'm starting to do some serial comms stuff between my latest project and
either a modem or terminal.  The existing serial buss that I am using right
now talks between a number of similar nodes (up to 63) and a communications
controller that actually interfaces the serial buss to the outside world.
Everything works quite well right now so far as node to node or node to comm
controller is concerned.  Now I get to tie the whole thing to the outside
world.  This requires hex to ascii conversion and ascii to hex conversion.
I've spent the day coming up with some routines and would like a sanity
check on what I've done so far.

I've got 3 routines so far: HEXASCII, ASCIIHEX, UPCASE.  They all seem to
work okay; I'm just looking for better or neater ways of doing them.

   LIST P=16C71,F=INHX8M,X=ON,R=HEX

INADR           EQU 0
OPTINIT         EQU b'00000111'

CNTR1           EQU 20
CNTR2           EQU 21
CNTR3           EQU 22
CNTR4           EQU 23


   ORG         00H
   goto        COLDBOOT


HEXASCII        ;Convert hex nybble to ascii character
;***********    ;written by Dwayne Reid
;* enters with:         hex nybble (0-F) in w
;* uses subroutines:    none
;*      registers:      w
;*      bits/flags:     none
;* returns:             ascii character in w
;*
   andlw       b'00001111'     ;lower nybble only
   addlw       6               ;0-9 or A-F?
   skpndc                      ;dc==1 if larger than 9
     addlw     7               ;adjust A-F
   addlw       (0x30-6)        ;add offset to convert to ascii
   return


ASCIIHEX        ;Convert ascii character to hex nybble
;***********    ;written by Dwayne Reid
;* enters with:         ascii character in w
;* uses subroutines:    none
;*      registers:      w
;*      bits/flags:     C
;* returns:             hex nybble (0-F) in w, C=0 & w=0 if error
;*
;00-2f:c=0  30-39:c=1  3a-40:c=0  41-46:c=1  47-60:c=0  61-66:c=1  67-ff:c=0

   addlw       -(0x3A)         ;value higher than 9?
   skpnc                       ;note: 1 higher than 9 because of >=
     goto      A2H_1           ;too high: try next test
   addlw       0x0A            ;value lower than 0?  (span is 0-9 ==.10)
   skpnc                       ;
     return                    ;value is in range of 0 - 9h: done!

A2H_ERR
   clrc
   clrw
   return                      ;error: ascii character is not 0-9 or a-f

A2H_1           ;upper case A-F (41h-46h)
   addlw       -((0x47)-(0x3A));value higher than F?
   skpnc                       ;note: 1 higher than F because of >=
     goto      A2H_2           ;too high: try next test
   addlw       0x6             ;value lower than A?  (span is A-F ==.6)
   skpnc                       ;
     goto      A2H_LET         ;value is in range of A - Fh: add offset
   goto        A2H_ERR

A2H_2           ;lower case a-f (61h-66h)
   addlw       -((0x67)-(0x47));value higher than f?
   skpnc                       ;note: 1 higher than f because of >=
     goto      A2H_ERR         ;too high: error
   addlw       0x6             ;value lower than a?  (span is a-f ==.6)
   skpc                        ;
     goto      A2H_ERR

A2H_LET                         ;w contains 0-5 representing a-f
   addlw       0x0A            ;add offset to make hex A-F
   setc
   return


UPCASE          ;Convert lower case ascii character to upper case
;***********    ;Written by Dwayne Reid
;* enters with:         any character from 00 - FF in w
;* uses subroutines:    none
;*      registers:      w
;*      bits/flags:     none
;* returns:             original value in w EXCEPT ascii a-z converted to A-Z
;*
;A-Z is 41h-5Ah; a-z is 61h-7Ah.  Range of a-z is 7A-61==19
   addlw       -(0x7B)         ;value higher than z?
   skpnc                       ;note: 1 higher than 7A because of >=
     goto      UCaseX1         ;too high: restore w and exit
   addlw       0x1A            ;value lower than a?  (span is a-z ==.26)
   skpc                        ;
     goto      UCaseX2         ;too low: restore w and exit
   addlw       0x41            ;value is in range of 00 - 19h: add offset
   return                      ;done!

UCaseX2
   addlw       -(0x1A)         ;restore original value
UCaseX1
   addlw       0x7B            ;restore original value
   return

COLDBOOT

   clrf        CNTR1
   clrf        CNTR2


LOOP
   movfw       CNTR1           ;test UPCASE
   call        UPCASE
   movwf       CNTR2

   movfw       CNTR1           ;test HEXASCII
   call        HEXASCII
   movwf       CNTR3

   movfw       CNTR1           ;test ASCIIHEX
   call        ASCIIHEX
   movwf       CNTR4

BREAKPT
   nop
   incf        CNTR1,F
   goto        LOOP


   END

Ideas, opinions?

Thanks!



Dwayne Reid   <spamBeGonedwaynerspamRemoveMEplanet.eon.net>
Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd    Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA
(403) 489-3199 voice     (403) 487-6397 fax

1997\03\16@235718 by tjaart

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j.tang wrote:
>
> Hello guys:
>     I am now dealing a project that need two pics to communicate by using hand
> shaking . Can somebody warmhearted give me some program or tips to do this.
> I use porta bit 1 and 2 as hand shaking line.
>                          thank you

IIC

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1997\03\26@173031 by Dale Severns

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looking for a used picmaster emulator/w 16c74 card.

1997\03\31@104510 by Michel Van den Bergh

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Hi,

I am making a gadget, and I would like my Pic 16C84 to play music. One
possibility would be to let the Pic do all the work and drive a loudspeaker
directly (I am satisfied with square waves). So my first question is

*** Can I find the necessary programs somewhere?

However while playing music the Pic will also be tied up, making some
lights flash. So my second question is.

*** Is there a dedicated chip that drives a loudspeaker and that take
digitally coded notes (MIDI ??). I rather prefer this solution.

Any help will be appreciated.

Michel

1997\03\31@133145 by Jason E. Brown

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       This is my first post to the PIC-LIST, and first let me say
"Great list guys, lots of traffic and info".

       I am working on my first (complex) PIC program.  Using a PIC16c57
at 4MHZ I am sampling the servo outputs from a R/C Reciver to convert them
to  PWM signals for 2 motors and using steps from the other 2 channels for
non PWM stuff.

       My question is, Having never worked with PWM before or really even
much
assembly language I am having trouble coming up with a way to implemet the
PWM..
       I currently sample each servo input to give a value between 1 and 35
using the center couple of values for off and 1-1 for one direction and
21-35 for the other direction.

       The sampling cycle for all 4 servos takes about 8ms I then have about
2ms
(2k instructions) before the next pulse cycle begins.

       Any pointers to info, examples, suggestions, flames , etc of PWM on
the
low end PIC's would be greatly appreciated.

       If requested I will post my entire source code. (this is not for
business
so I would be happy to release it into the public domain).




Jason E. Brown
Evil Robots Inc.
3821 Tacoma Ave.
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1997\04\01@055309 by Keith Dowsett
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At 17:45 31/03/97 +0200, you wrote:

>I am making a gadget, and I would like my Pic 16C84 to play music. One
>possibility would be to let the Pic do all the work and drive a loudspeaker
>directly (I am satisfied with square waves). So my first question is
>
>*** Can I find the necessary programs somewhere?
>
>However while playing music the Pic will also be tied up, making some
>lights flash. So my second question is.
>
>*** Is there a dedicated chip that drives a loudspeaker and that take
>digitally coded notes (MIDI ??). I rather prefer this solution.
>
>Any help will be appreciated.
>
>Michel

If there are going to be human beings watching the lights flash you should
have plenty of time to spare. I would use the timer interrupt to toggle the
music output. If you need a second timebase you could always use a little
hardware to generate a suitable interrupt every mS or so.

Keith.


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1997\04\09@204520 by Richard Wamser

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Has ony one tried using a STIMULUS File for testing their PIC ??  Can a PIC
17c43 be used to read in a Frequency of about 61,000Hz ?? If so any idea's
on how to write the code ?? Iam in the process of converting my driveway Car
detector from a multipull descrite IC's to a Mircocontroller based system.

1997\04\14@094410 by David BALDWIN

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       On the PIC16C84, does anybody knows if porta.4 needs a pull-up
resistor, because I can't use this anymore as output, it remains at 0v.

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1997\04\14@111040 by Keith Dowsett

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At 15:29 14/04/97 +0200, you wrote:
>--
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>        On the PIC16C84, does anybody knows if porta.4 needs a pull-up
>resistor, because I can't use this anymore as output, it remains at 0v.
>
That's what the data sheet says. See paragraph 5.1

Keith
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1997\04\15@053515 by lmclaren

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David BALDWIN wrote:
>
> --
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>         On the PIC16C84, does anybody knows if porta.4 needs a pull-up
> resistor, because I can't use this anymore as output, it remains at 0v.
>
>   _____________
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1997\04\16@080438 by Jorge Miguel Cabral

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1997\04\24@052358 by Christophe Courchˇ

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V2.0 Acuracy...

Hello,

My name is christophe , i'm french

I search a "In PIC language interpreter like  Basic, C or Pascal"

I find it on some WEB, but all are commercial : Pic Basic, FBasic ...

Do you know someone who devellop a FreeWare / Shareware "IN PIC language
interpreter"  ?

I need RS232, and A/D for some personnal projects, usualy i use Pic16C84 to
dev my programm with the EEPROM facilities but to have RS232 and A/D port i
need Pic16C5X or 7X and i have no solution to dev application (i hate to
dev with UV Eprom !! it's to long !).

If someone have solutions or know a In Pic Interpreter....

Thanks for your Help !


Bye.

1997\04\27@202258 by Peter Wintulich

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>> Erasing the [Code Protect] bit after (or even together with) all
>> the program data doesn't seem like stealing code...
>
>    Right, Gerhard... But how would you ensure that the bit gets
>    erased AFTER the program data?
>
>    -Andy
They are doing this already by covering the protection bits with a UV blocking
die. (This die is
visable as a black stripe near pin 22 of the 16c73a/jw package.)  The reason why
the chips still
erase is a small amount of UV still gets through, of course the program memory
is VERY
BLANK by then.

? Is it likely that some UV eraser bulbs emit different frequencies and that
could penetrate the
die they use more easly & therefor erase the eprom cells more easly. The UV
source in my
eraser is a 4W G4T5 by GERMICIDAL, this source dose not appear to erase the
protect bits.

regards
peter w.

1997\04\27@215113 by Martin McCormick

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In message <KILLspams36474ea.012.....spamTakeThisOuTmicrobits.com.au>, Peter Wintulich writes:
>? Is it likely that some UV eraser bulbs emit different frequencies and that
> could penetrate the
>die they use more easly & therefor erase the eprom cells more easly.

       It is possible, but what is more likely is that the higher-powered
lamps just get the UV through by brute force.

       I have been following this thread and it seems like the idea of
requiring much more energy to zap the code-protect fuse than it does to
erase any of the other bits makes the most sense since accidents happen
and they always will.  Putting more die over the CP bits to make the covering
totally opaque is sort of like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

       If there is a chance that somebody might figure out the physical
location of the CP cells, another fix might be to put a frosted window
over the die so that any attempt to focus light on one particular spot would
cause it to defuse enough to zap adjacent bits.

Martin McCormick


1997\06\12@095609 by jorge melluso
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1997\06\30@230407 by Raphael Houri

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I am trying to remote control a Sony camera. Does anybody know the protocol
for the LANC connector ?

Thanks!


Raphael Houri
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1997\07\23@121327 by John Shreffler
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>Whats wrong with a 25 cent thermistor and a series 1 % resistor to the
>+5
>supply and possibly a shunt resistor to control range.  The curve of
>the
>thermistor can be linearized by a small look up table in memory or by
>scaling according to the magnitude of the output of the 16C71 or
>equiv.
>on-board A/D converter.

You might consider the LM34 temp sensors.  They come in wide variety
of packages, and in two basic flavors:  Celsius and Fahrenheit.  Either
way, you get a laser trimmed 10 mv per degree output that is quite linear
over a wide range.  The price on the plastic TO92 package is about $2.
I have been using them for years, great accuracy without tables.

1997\07\24@114713 by L SAFIEH

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    Hello,

    I need some help, I am looking for the specification of the PS/2
    interface (originally in the IBM Reference manual) so I can interface
    to a PS/s mouse with a PIC micro. I am aware that the Microchip
    Embedded Control Handbook contains Application notes on the serial,
    and ADB interfaces. Are thre any good PIC code examples or references
    similar to what I am looking for?

    Thanks,

    Bill Safieh

1997\07\24@164102 by Eric van Es

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BILL SAFIEH wrote:

>      Hello,
>
>      I need some help, I am looking for the specification of the PS/2
>      interface (originally in the IBM Reference manual) so I can
> interface
>      to a PS/s mouse with a PIC micro. I am aware that the Microchip
>      Embedded Control Handbook contains Application notes on the
> serial,
>      and ADB interfaces. Are thre any good PIC code examples or
> references
>      similar to what I am looking for?
>
>      Thanks,
>
>      Bill Safieh

 Is it just my imagination or has this message been posted about 3
times in 24 hours.
If not - then nobody can help or no-one wants to (the latter is
unlikely)


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1997\07\25@144819 by Tim Kerby

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Hi
ps/2 is the same as serial, just a different connector.  I have seen many
elecrronics outlets deal simple adaptors between the differing wiring.

Tim

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1997\08\05@231745 by David R Mulligan
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Hi,

I am hoping to not to have to totally re-invent the wheel.  I am looking
for a way to set up a bi directional RS-422/485 interface for PC's.

The protocol is propietary, and the signalling rate is something like 10000
BPS.  I am only looking for straight translations of 8 bit numbers, and a
little bit of one byte header de/encoding. I beleive I am guaranteed a
couple ms between each 6 byte burst of data.  Any ideas?

What is the easiest way to do this?  Dropped characters are unacceptable.
I was thinking a ISA interface, but if I use the PIC16F84 as I'd like, it
would only have 10 lines free after doing the RS-422/485 interface.  Is
that enough to handle a bi-directional protocol?  Is the Parallel port an
option?  maybe a nibble at a time?  Or could the PIC keep up spitting out
to the serial port at like 33600 or so and decoding the data?

I need simple yet fast communications to and from the PIC chip.  I need at
least an outgoing buffer of at least 12 to 18 bytes, and maybe an incoming
buffer if needed.  Depending on how much time it takes to load or read data
to and from the PIC.

Any hardware or software ideas, solutions, or examples are appreciated.
David
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1997\08\05@234716 by Martin Darwin

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At 11:08 PM 05/08/97 -0400, you wrote:

[munch....]

>option?  maybe a nibble at a time?  Or could the PIC keep up spitting out
>to the serial port at like 33600 or so and decoding the data?

I have a very similar problem. I have been thinking about it for a few days
(it's only a hobby so a few days is a couple of hours :) ).  The only
solution that I can think of is using a hardware UART such as the 16550
(which has 16 bytes of on board buffer).  The sole problem is the number of
lines needed to drive it. Worst case is to use two shift registers (in and
out) and a buffer to do the data i/o and the rest of the pins for
read/write and address lines. I am trying to do it without the shift
registers but I don't know if it is possible on an '84.  The other solution
is to use a different PIC (but I don't want to because I can only erase
EEPROM <-- listen MChip :) )

Let the list know what happens.
MD

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1997\08\06@210025 by Harold M Hallikainen

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On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:35:26 -0400 Martin Darwin
<STOPspammartinspam_OUTspamspamBeGoneDAVIN.OTTAWA.ON.CA> writes:
>At 11:08 PM 05/08/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>[munch....]
>
>>option?  maybe a nibble at a time?  Or could the PIC keep up spitting
>out
>>to the serial port at like 33600 or so and decoding the data?


       I don't recall the full original specs being discussed, but I've
now got a couple products simultaneously transmitting and receiving at
250 Kbps using a 16 MHz 16c74a.  Each of these transmit from a buffer on
a Dallas RamPort and receive into the buffer on the RamPort.  One then
exchanges data with a PC over the parallel port.  The other reads 64
analog inputs and puts those in the outgoing datastream.


Harold

1997\08\07@165813 by Dale Severns

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I am looking for reference material on bit-banging techniques for 16c71......

1997\08\22@153342 by stephen mcalonan

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Hi everybody,

I am considering using a PIC16C73A for my next project.  This will be my
first PIC project.  I have a fair amount of experience with the Mototola
6805 and 6811 families.  Does anyone know of a quick tutorial or a small
piece of literature that will bring me up to speed on Microchip's
instruction set quickly.

Thank and best regards,

Steve McAlonan
Dev. Engr.
TBE-ES

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1997\08\22@161130 by Andy Kunz

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>I am considering using a PIC16C73A for my next project.  This will be my
>first PIC project.  I have a fair amount of experience with the Mototola
>6805 and 6811 families.  Does anyone know of a quick tutorial or a small
>piece of literature that will bring me up to speed on Microchip's
>instruction set quickly.

Search the web for source examples.  There are plenty of places out there.

Andy

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1997\08\23@123032 by Douglas J.A.R.Sasse

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>Hi everybody,
>
>I am considering using a PIC16C73A for my next project.  This will be my
>first PIC project.  I have a fair amount of experience with the Mototola
>6805 and 6811 families.  Does anyone know of a quick tutorial or a small
>piece of literature that will bring me up to speed on Microchip's
>instruction set quickly.
>
>Thank and best regards,
>
>Steve McAlonan
>Dev. Engr.
>TBE-ES
>
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1997\09\14@005248 by Jason A Alexander
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1997\09\23@105558 by Nancy Dong

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    Hello, everyone,

    I am considering using C compiler for PIC16C73.  If anyone has
    experience with C compiler and/or knows which compiler is good please
    give me some advice.   Thanks in advance.

    Nancy
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1997\09\24@073122 by Jack Bonn

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>      Hello, everyone,
>
>      I am considering using C compiler for PIC16C73.  If anyone has
>      experience with C compiler and/or knows which compiler is good
> please
>      give me some advice.   Thanks in advance.
>
>      Nancy
>      EraseMEndongRemoveMEspamsperry-sun.com

We have had very good luck with the Hi Tech C compiler.    There is a
demo of it available at their web site (http://www.htsoft.com).  It is
full ANSI and generates very good code.  It comes with a text based IDE
and a full linker.  I used it with the emulator and it supported source
level debug.

The first release of my product ships today.  I did find a couple of
areas that I had to work around, however.  I had a problem accessing
bits in i/o registers in page 1.  I copied them to a local variable and
examined the bits in there.  I also found that the call sequence to the
library routine that accesses consts is not reentrant.  Therefore, I had
to alter the code in the interrupt routines so they no longer access
consts.  (I simply removed the "const".)

Don't overestimate these few small areas of concern.  All in all, a very
positive result.  And, considering that it is all ANSI C, the result is
very portable as well.

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1997\09\25@075930 by Andy Kunz

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At 08:30 AM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>     Hello, everyone,
>
>     I am considering using C compiler for PIC16C73.  If anyone has
>     experience with C compiler and/or knows which compiler is good please
>     give me some advice.   Thanks in advance.

I use the HiTech C and love it.

Andy

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       "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!"
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1997\09\25@082218 by Rat Club

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Andy Kunz wrote:

> At 08:30 AM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >     Hello, everyone,
> >
> >     I am considering using C compiler for PIC16C73.  If anyone has
> >     experience with C compiler and/or knows which compiler is good please
> >     give me some advice.   Thanks in advance.
>
> I use the HiTech C and love it.
>

Can you send it to me by email

> Andy
>
> ==================================================================
> Andy Kunz - Montana Design - 409 S 6th St - Phillipsburg, NJ 08865
>           Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies
>         "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!"
> ==================================================================

1997\09\25@112356 by Andy Kunz

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>> I use the HiTech C and love it.
>>
>
>Can you send it to me by email

You can d/l the demo from http://www.htsoft.com

The real thing costs $800 and is well worth it.

Andy

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         Hardware & Software for Industry & R/C Hobbies
       "Go fast, turn right, and keep the wet side down!"
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1997\10\07@125010 by TORRENS SR
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My name is Ross Torrens. I am in my final year of a Beng
Hons in Electronic Systems at the University of Ulster, just outside
Belfast.  I am trying to print a string
of text on a Hitachi LM044L LCD using a Pic 16c74, so far for all my
troubles I have had no luck. My question is would anybody have a piece of
code lying about that I could use that would allow me to do this. Any
help at all would be much apreciated.  Thanks, Ross..

1997\10\08@050241 by Steve Lawther

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    Ross,
   
    I'm assuming here that the LM044L is a character LCD. How have you got
    it wired? 8 bit data bus or 4 bit bus? I have some code and links on
   
    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/steve_lawther/charlcd.htm
   
    including a tester to check that the display is wired up to a PIC ok,
    but it was written for a 16C84 connected to the character LCD in 4 bit
    data mode.
   
    Is the contrast voltage set correctly? If all the pixels are black, I
    would take the contrast voltage towards 5V to just when they become
    all clear or vice versa. Is the display an extended temperature range
    version? if so the contrast voltage may even be negative.
   
    Have you tried a logic analyser on the signals between the PIC and the
    LCD to check that things look correct?
   
    If these first thoughts don't help, just shout!
   
               Steve Lawther


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My name is Ross Torrens. I am in my final year of a Beng
Hons in Electronic Systems at the University of Ulster, just outside
Belfast.  I am trying to print a string
of text on a Hitachi LM044L LCD using a Pic 16c74, so far for all my
troubles I have had no luck. My question is would anybody have a piece of
code lying about that I could use that would allow me to do this. Any help
at all would be much apreciated.  Thanks, Ross..
   

1997\10\08@122345 by HOLDSTOCK S.M

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I'm a student at staffs Uni in my last year of a Elecronic
Eng Hons Degree. For my final year project, I'm interested
in designing a digital multimeter data aquistion device.

Basically a device which will measure voltage and current,
probably using a PIC, and then download the
information (real-time) in Binary format via the RS232
Serial port to a PC, where a WIN '95 application I'm
developing at the moment will tabulate all Data.

If you have any ideas, can you let me know.
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Cheers Steve
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1997\10\09@103348 by Kevin J. Slater

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>>Microchannel bus, which I think they licensed out for some fee.  The rest
>>of the industry went with the ISA bus, then EISA, then PCI.
>>        It truly looks like a rough business to be in!
>
>They should have gone with the SIMMSTICK interface <G>
>
>Andy

From the <G> I take it you're speaking in jest (somewhat?). But you make a very
good point. I
know very little about PICs, but I know quite a bit about the PC world in
general. The Microchannel
bus was (and still is in many respects) far superior to the competition. But IBM
was stupid, they
though superior technology wins on its own merit. In the US at least, it
doesn't; you need to be able
to market the product as well. Lesson to learn - if you want an architecture to
take hold, put it out
there for all to use. i.e. SIMMSTICK, etc.

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1997\10\09@105240 by r, Cally (Sta-ENG)

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1997\10\09@142259 by Nigel Goodwin

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In message <RemoveMESIMEON.9710081759.HTakeThisOuTspamkc15-42.stmail.staffs.ac.uk>, "HOLDSTOCK
S.M" <@spam@hf209397STOPspamspamCR10M.STAFFS.AC.UK> writes
>I'm a student at staffs Uni in my last year of a Elecronic
>Eng Hons Degree. For my final year project, I'm interested
>in designing a digital multimeter data aquistion device.
>
>Basically a device which will measure voltage and current,
>probably using a PIC, and then download the
>information (real-time) in Binary format via the RS232
>Serial port to a PC, where a WIN '95 application I'm
>developing at the moment will tabulate all Data.

I've been meaning to build something similar for a while now, but
haven't got round to it yet!.

I'm intending using a 16C84 with an external 12 bit ADC, something like
an LTC1298 (I think that's the correct number). For the input side I'm
planning using two channels, with scope type attenuators and opamps
feeding into a cmos switch operated by an output from the PIC. Some of
the LTC chips already have two inputs, that would obviate the need for
the CMOS switch.

So far I'm undecided wether to have the processor continually reading
the inputs and sending the data back to a PC, or to have the PC request
the data for the channel it wants to read. Using the second method
requires two way RS232, the first way only requires one way.

As it would be a good idea to opto-isolate the unit from the PC, it
would make life easier just one way.

On the other hand, with two way communication you could use the PIC to
switch the input ranges from a nice on-screen meter/scope display.

I'd be interested to see how your system develops.

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1997\10\13@074248 by bg908451

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Hi to everyone on the list.

I am making an electronic programmer to replace the
standard mechanical timer and take care of all the
different wash cycles on a washing machine. This will mean
different motor speeds, water temperatures, washing times
etc. for different matereials. I would be pleased to hear
from anyone who has done this, or similar control of a.c.
devices with hints, tips advice etc as I am completely new
to PIC's, although I have done some 'C' and Assembly
language programming.

I am aquiring a book in the next couple of days which
should give me an introduction to the PIC.

What is the best way of interfacing the 240 volt inputs
from sensors and the 240volt outputs to motors, heaters
etc. Maybe relays, triacs, SCR's. Any help or advice
appreciated.

Michael Biggs

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1997\10\15@142246 by Edwin J Stevenson

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Is it possible to subscribe to your List?
If so can someone share with me what I must do ?

Thank you,

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1997\10\20@074344 by Ivan Cenov

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1997\10\28@125912 by David W. Duley

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Dave Duley

1997\10\30@021436 by Ivan Cenov

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Sorry, this is my mistake. I had used PICLIST@... instead of LISTSERV@...

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1997\11\08@080011 by george
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Dear sir,
       I have a picstart-6b1. I have tried to program a pic16c84 using a 8hex
file downloaded. it is supposed to put in the new coads for a mac2 card.
When I go to enter the program, the software tells me that the chip is not
fully erased. I am using ver 5 software. i do not have any manuals or
books. Can you help?

regards,

George

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1997\11\17@150408 by Raak, Cory

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then we all would have only gotten the one bandwidth wasting message and
not several dozen.
       Does anyone have any web address for pic based mowing robots, or
material that could be adapted to such.  Must really be pic based
because I have very limited knowledge with other controllers>
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1997\11\18@120348 by Alvin Yow

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Dear Sir,
I'm looking for the technical support to solve my problem. I've just
involved in using PIC to develop a product. I've just bought the PIC start
plus dev. kit from Farnell (Malaysia). I'm failed for the first project and
discover a very funny problem. I'm currently using P16c84 controller
because it is eeprom base so that I could reprogrammed as many time as I
like.
I used the MPLAB for windows to compile and programmed the chip which come
together with the package. I was building a simple control to monitor to
output at portB and was running under 4MHz crystal. Before I programe the
chip I tested using the simulator and it work. Then I choose the oscillator
type to XT as I'm using crystal to provide the clock. To my dissappointment
The work system just refused to work with all the LED of portB lit up
constantly. While I'm trying to write a flicker LED output at portB with
certain delay(no matter how long I put).
But it really supprised me it work when I touch the crystal with my hand,
bear in mind that I programed the chip with the oscillator option set to
RC. I suppose the clock must be generated from the RC network from our
body. If the oscillator option is set to XT it refused to work even if I
touch the crystal.
Maybe you must be thinking that, the flickering is too fast therefore I
coldn't see the changes. But to prove that, I write another simple program
to test it. This time I wrote a trigger input to change the output. It is a
real simple programme and it still don't work. Therefore I'm writing this
email to seek for help so that to get me through my first project in order
for me to gain back my confident. I used to write assembly programme in the
pass, therefore I do have experience with this low level language.
Or if you have any simple programme for me to try out, please forward it to
me. Beside this, I wonder if the MPLAB got any bug? This is my only last
question asking to myself.
Please help. I urgently required help from you or anybody who can advice
me.

Many thanks in advance.

Sincerely
Alvin Yow

1997\11\18@125531 by Larry G. Nelson Sr.

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At 12:58 AM 11/19/97 +0800, you wrote:

>I used the MPLAB for windows to compile and programmed the chip which come
>together with the package. I was building a simple control to monitor to
>output at portB and was running under 4MHz crystal. Before I programe the
>chip I tested using the simulator and it work. Then I choose the oscillator
>type to XT as I'm using crystal to provide the clock. To my dissappointment
>The work system just refused to work with all the LED of portB lit up
>constantly. While I'm trying to write a flicker LED output at portB with
>certain delay(no matter how long I put).
>But it really supprised me it work when I touch the crystal with my hand,
>bear in mind that I programed the chip with the oscillator option set to
>RC. I suppose the clock must be generated from the RC network from our
>body. If the oscillator option is set to XT it refused to work even if I
>touch the crystal.

>Alvin Yow
>
>
My guess is that the capacitors on the crystal are not the correct value or
that the layout for the oscillator is such that capacitance is causing the
crystal to not work. Some crystals need a series resistor to start up
properly. I would start with programming the chip as RC and wiring the
appropriate RC to the pins. This will allow you to test your code. If this
works the problem is in the crystal implementation or a bad crystal.


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1997\11\18@131839 by Eric van Es

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Alvin

Did you set the the port to outputs?

else:

Check my homepage for setleds.asm if you use MPASM. It works for me with a
16c84 running from a 4MHz Xtal.

Cheers!

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1997\11\18@131845 by Eric van Es

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Raak, Cory wrote:

>         Does anyone have any web address for pic based mowing robots, or
> material that could be adapted to such.  Must really be pic based
> because I have very limited knowledge with other controllers>

Cory

Look on my homepage at my bookmarks file - there one or two sites with
(lawn) mowbot's. I assume that's what you are looking for?

Cherio!

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1997\11\19@233158 by Alvin Yow

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Thanks Evan....
I'll try out.
Will let you know my status later.
Thanks again

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Alvin

Did you set the the port to outputs?

else:

Check my homepage for setleds.asm if you use MPASM. It works for me with a
16c84 running from a 4MHz Xtal.

Cheers!

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1997\11\24@230849 by Ray Hery

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1997\11\26@014350 by Ivan Cenov

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Hi, PICLISTers,

I am using MPLAB to simulate a simple project:

I have to make a termometer with PIC16C715
(it has more program memory & RAM).
I initialize ADCON0 to 0x01 (ADON = 1, A/D conversion clk = Fosc/2)
and ADCON1 to 0x01 (RA3 <- Vref)

then I set ADCON0.GO bit and wait for this GO bit to get cleared.
but this never happens nor PIR1.ADIF bit gets set.

Previous project was with PIC16C74A with ADC and the simulation
was successful.

Have anyone had such problem ?
Is this my mistake or of MPLAB ?

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1997\12\03@011845 by ILIAN KUSHEV
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Hello PICLIST!

I have question for all the PIC expert out there.
I'm trying tuning a frequency synthesizer S187.
Would you like to send me any routines or program written for a
PIC16C84 and for this synthesizer or where I can find more
information about interface frequency sinthesizer by microcontroller.

Thanks and Regards.
Ilian Kushev

1997\12\05@112733 by stephen mcalonan

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Hello everyone!
I am using the 5 channel A/D on the PIC16C73A running at 5V.  I am using
an external voltage reference of 2.5V on pin RA3/AN3/Vref.  My question
is: Should I use a zener diode, etc. to protect the port from voltages
from 2.5V to Vdd+.6 or will this just give me a full scale reading?  Are
there any other thought on protecting A/D inputs?  Thanks in advance.
Steve McAlonan



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Does anyone in the list know a mailing list for
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1998\01\16@155412 by Stevenson, Brad
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Charles,

Whoa. On second thought, that whole opto-isolator idea might not work
since i2c is bi-directional (on the same pin). You might be able to do
it on an SPI bus where input and output each have dedicated pins. You
may still be able to do it with opto's but it will be hairier than it
originally seemed.

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1998\01\20@224845 by Joseph H Shepherd

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Hi
Need help, I am building a small table robot using stepper motors in sted
of servo motors and would like to use the 16c84 pic chips as my drivers
for the steppers.  I can get the stepper to go forward and backward by
using just the program its self in the 16c84 but I want to run the
steppers with 16c84 drivers hooked up to the STAMP Microcontroller, but
I need a program,HELP!!   i use the basic compilerBASCO,
mplab,and pip-02 to program the pic.

                                                           My Set Up
                                                    Pic 16c84
__________                                 ___\/___             STEPPER
I                      I                                I    pin0
I=====I ---\/-----I
I   STAMP      I                                I    pin1  I=====I
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I                      I                                I    pin3
I=====I----------I
I                      RB1-------------pin6I             I =led4=forward

I                      I                                I_____
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I_________I

STEP1=0110   STEP2=1010   STEP3=1001 STEP4=0101

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1998\01\22@125328 by Gordos Kund

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Hi all,
I want to know who is the programmer of MPLAB.
I have some ideas :-) to share with him....

Thanks !


Gordos Kund
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1998\01\23@051716 by Mark Birks

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Hi,

Does anybody have a definitive schematic for having in-ciruit
programming of the 16C84 device and perhaps some example source to show
how to download code and then run it ?

Thanks in advance.



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1998\01\24@234143 by Mitchell D. Miller

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I've seen lots about '485 stuff around her lately.  One recent posting
almost made it sound as though there are driver / interface chips for this
interface.  The same post made it sound that '485 is strictly a physical
spec, and leaves software protocol undefined.

Is this correct?  Does anyone have any WWW links that I might do more
research?

Thanks,
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1998\01\25@062116 by REMOVE_TO_REPLY_jnlrich

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Yes, RS-485 only defines the pin functions and the electrical
parameters. Data formatting and communication protocols are left to
the user to define.  National Semiconductor has RS-485 and RS-422
specific interface ICs.  More info at:
http://www.national.com/design/index.html

Maxim also has some at:
http://www.maxim-ic.com/scripts/cSelector.exe/RS-485/





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->I've seen lots about '485 stuff around her lately.  One recent
posting
->almost made it sound as though there are driver / interface chips
for this
->interface.  The same post made it sound that '485 is strictly a
physical
->spec, and leaves software protocol undefined.
->
->Is this correct?  Does anyone have any WWW links that I might do
more
->research?
->
->Thanks,
->Mitch
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1998\01\26@113542 by David W. Duley

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<<
I've seen lots about '485 stuff around her lately.  One recent posting
almost made it sound as though there are driver / interface chips for this
interface.  The same post made it sound that '485 is strictly a physical
spec, and leaves software protocol undefined.

Is this correct?  Does anyone have any WWW links that I might do more
research?

Thanks,
Mitch >>
Maxim makes a bunch.  We use the MAX485

Dave

1998\01\26@121710 by Philip Cowley

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I was wondering if anyone had solved the following idea and could send me
some schematics, or point me in the right direction, to save me the trouble
of designing the whole lot....

I need to count the pulses coming from a pair of quadrature incremental
encoders. These pulses could be conditioned to be up/down. I need to send
the counts out to a PC RS232 line. The counts need to be independantly
resettable.

I am looking at doing it with a PIC16C84.

Many thanks

Phil

1998\01\27@053425 by Keith Howell

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Philip Cowley wrote:

> I need to count the pulses coming from a pair
> of quadrature incremental encoders.

Are these optical encoders, or mechanical?
The latter have _awful_ signals.

What's the app?

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1998\02\02@093628 by Mark Birks
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Has anyone got any neat circuits to allow in-circuit programming of
16x84 devices.

e.g. One mode to program, another to run ??


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1998\02\02@095448 by John Hansen

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At 02:30 PM 2/2/98 -0000, you wrote:
>Has anyone got any neat circuits to allow in-circuit programming of
>16x84 devices.
>
>e.g. One mode to program, another to run ??

I built a board that has a ZIF chip in it and a 4PDT
latching relay (from JDR).  The relay switches the
Vdd, Vpp, RB6 and RB7 lines between my ITU
programmer and the circuit that is being developed.
I leave the ground line connected to both.
Two LEDs indicate which of the circuits is active.

The circuit under development is connected via a
ribbon cable and a 18 pin dip plug (also from JDR).

The one problem that I've had with the set up is that
sometimes the PIC doesn't start up properly and
exhibits strange behavior until I reset it.  I plan to add
a small timer circuit that will trip the MCLR half a second
after I flip the switch.  I expect that this will take care
of the problem.  Still, this is much easier than moving
the chip back and forth or using the jumper method
suggested in the ITU manual

John Hansen

1998\02\02@134554 by wouter van ooijen

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> Has anyone got any neat circuits to allow in-circuit programming of
> 16x84 devices.

I'm working on an In-Circuit 16c84 / 16f84 programmer plus programming
software,
but I want to enter it into the microchip design contest.
Having done that I'll put the details on a web page.

Highlights:
- uses a 16c84 / 16f84 to generate Vpp and to do the timing
- rs232 communication with a program on a (PC) host
- erase / program / run / communicate without touching the hardware
- 5V-only supply

Wouter.

1998\02\02@143057 by Morgan Olsson

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At 19:41 1998-02-02 +0100, you wrote:
>> Has anyone got any neat circuits to allow in-circuit programming of
>> 16x84 devices.
>
>I'm working on an In-Circuit 16c84 / 16f84 programmer plus programming
>software,
>but I want to enter it into the microchip design contest.
>Having done that I'll put the details on a web page.
>
>Highlights:
>- uses a 16c84 / 16f84 to generate Vpp and to do the timing
>- rs232 communication with a program on a (PC) host
>- erase / program / run / communicate without touching the hardware
>- 5V-only supply
>
>Wouter.
>
Very nice.
Will it be production rated?
(verifying at both high and low voltage)
Because I«d like also to have my prototypes securely programmed.
Don«t we all?
/Morgan
Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, Sweden
spammrtspaminame.com, ph: +46 (0)414 70741; fax 70331
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1998\02\02@200936 by Don McKenzie

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Mark Birks wrote:
>
> Has anyone got any neat circuits to allow in-circuit programming of
> 16x84 devices.
>
> e.g. One mode to program, another to run ??

Yes, free schematics:
http://www.dontronics.com/dt001.html Programmer board.
http://www.dontronics.com/dt101.html Target board.

Free software for C84/F84, DOS/W95/NT:
http://www.dontronics.com/download.html

Uses a 4PDT switch for load and go programming.

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1998\02\03@133432 by wouter van ooijen

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No, its meant for development, so I did not include a variable Vdd.
But a it can leave the Vdd of the PIC to the target circuit, so if you
connect the PIC to a variable power supply....

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From: Morgan Olsson <mrtspamspam@spam@INAME.COM>
To: spamBeGonePICLIST.....spamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:
Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 20:02

At 19:41 1998-02-02 +0100, you wrote:
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Very nice.
Will it be production rated?
(verifying at both high and low voltage)
Because I«d like also to have my prototypes securely programmed.
Don«t we all?
/Morgan
Morgan Olsson, MORGANS REGLERTEKNIK, Sweden
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1998\02\18@142156 by teletrans

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1998\02\23@030455 by Peter Baines

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1998\02\27@004013 by G. L. B

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I am sorry but I just can't stand this anymore and I'm going to put my
2 1/2 cents in on the subject of Microchip, their dealers, and the
"lost" cd roms. I do not under any circumstance give any credibillity to
the blatant excuse, it's not Microchips fault, it's the dealers. Who
hires or authorizes these dealers anyway? Microchip. I place the blame
squarely on Microchip and NOT ON THE DEALERS. For the most part these
are independent businesses dealing in a number of products. Microchip is
surely just one line they handle. If we as customers don't get
satisfaction in getting a product then we need to let Microchip know.
It's up to Microchip to decide if they want to keep the dealer. I sold
capital equipment for years for companies like N.V. Philips, equipment
costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. If one customer called me and
said they had a problem with some truck line not getting their equipment
to them I didn't blame the truck line. I found the equipment first, then
found another truck line. As long as people continue to do business with
Microchip and blame the "dealers" then we have no one to blame but
ourselves for shoddy service. Microchip has the choice to place their
dealerships with whomever they so desire, and if they want to keep
giving their dealership business to someplace that doesn't give a rip
about their customers then that is Microchip's decision on how they want
to do business. Frankly, after reading this thread you bet I will be
looking very strongly at Panasonic or any other source for parts and
supplies. If Microchip loses enough business then they can either change
their business practice, or go out of business. We vote with our
dollars.

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1998\02\27@005028 by Sean Breheny

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At 09:39 PM 2/26/98 PST, you wrote:
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Amen. However, judging from Microchip's recent email response on the list,
it seems as though they are taking responsiblity, and doing something about
it. They request that anyone who wants one of the CDs should contact them
again and they will ship direct from the factory. I re-ordered mine just as
they said and I am now waiting to see it they are sincere in what they said.

Sean

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1998\03\03@193642 by Goncalves
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Who?

1998\03\04@064112 by Pasi T Mustalahti

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PTM: If you have a project somewhat critical of pins, you could do like
this:

       pic PA0 |-----res--| counter
           PA1 |-----up---|
           PA2 |--R/W--   |_______________________
               |      |          |          ||||||
               |      |          A0         A1..A15
               |      |          |          ||||||
               |      -----------|--------  ||||||
               |                 |       |  ||||||
           PB0 |--D0/D4-----| 2x4bit    |--D0/D4--|
           PB1 |--D1/D5-----| tri-state |--D1/D5--| SRAM
           PB2 |--D2/D6-----| buffer    |--D2/D6--|
           PB3 |--D3/D7-----|           |--D3/D7--|

You write and read the data hinible + lonyble. Counter gives you A0 to
select HI, LO.
If you don't understand this picture, it is not for you, I'm not going to
explain it.
It works, I have used this kind of system before connected to LPT-port of
a PC.
If you find it usefull and use it, send me a emeil !


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1998\03\04@072948 by Mark Lezama

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Goncalves escribis:

> Who?

1998\03\16@183127 by Kam Bansal

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1998\03\17@101417 by Allen Demers

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Greetings All!

spamwaynegspamspamican.net wrote to me letting me know about an article in EPE
magazine dealing with tachometers.  If anyone had the schematics for
building this device that would be great.  I have found the magazine in the
states here, very good stuff!  Backissues are available, but I hate to
order it for one article @$6 :](I'm shall we say a bit "thrifty").

Thanks in advance,
Allen

P.S. This list is a usefull source of info and I have learned a lot over
the past couple of weeks.  Even to a newbie! thanks again.

1998\03\18@125010 by Peter Milanov

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  Hello!
I'm new in PICLIST. My name is Peter Milanov ( E-mail
@spam@pmmspam_OUTspammail.techno-link.com )  and I'm from Bulgaria.
                                            Best Regards, Peter.

1998\03\18@160048 by Calvin

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Nice to meet you :)

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Date: MiŽrcoles 18 de Marzo de 1998 11:44 AM


>   Hello!
>I'm new in PICLIST. My name is Peter Milanov ( E-mail
>KILLspampmm.....spamKILLspammail.techno-link.com )  and I'm from Bulgaria.
>                                             Best Regards, Peter.
>

1998\03\19@005246 by jwoods

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From: Joshua Woods@KEYCORP LTD. on 03/19/98 03:40 PM

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1998\03\19@005246 by jwoods

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From: Joshua Woods@KEYCORP LTD. on 03/19/98 03:40 PM

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1998\03\19@072714 by Jorge Ferreira

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       Welcome


At 19:37 98.03.18 +0200, you wrote:
>   Hello!
>I'm new in PICLIST. My name is Peter Milanov ( E-mail
>pmmspam_OUTspamspam_OUTmail.techno-link.com )  and I'm from Bulgaria.
>                                             Best Regards, Peter.
>
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1998\03\19@072714 by Jorge Ferreira

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At 19:37 98.03.18 +0200, you wrote:
>   Hello!
>I'm new in PICLIST. My name is Peter Milanov ( E-mail
>@spam@pmmRemoveMEspammail.techno-link.com )  and I'm from Bulgaria.
>                                             Best Regards, Peter.
>
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cumprimentos / best regards
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1998\04\10@145957 by H.P. de Vries
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Hi,

Does anybody know of eeproms programmable with my picstart plus (if any) ?

Hans
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At 02:59 PM 4/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Does anybody know of eeproms programmable with my picstart plus (if any) ?

No, Hans, but Carmacon is about to release Chippey.  It's a parallel-port
EEPROM programmer which works wonderfully under Win95.  I got version 1.01
of the software to test the other day and it does pretty much everything I
need.

Andy


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1998\04\15@015451 by Robert Berlin

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Hello, I wonder if any of you know why a program that works in simulator
(MPLAB) but it won't work on the PIC16F84?
Any ideas...

Another question: Does anyone know a way to decrease the value in Data
EEprom, in a short routine?

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1998\04\15@182524 by John Bellini

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I am using MPLAB version 3.31 with PICMASTER Emulator.  My code is
written and compiled with Byte Craft Version 1.20B.  When I am debugging
with the emulator.  I compile my code and everything is loaded
automatically via MPLAB.  When I hit the reset button for the emulator,
my .C file, .LST file and the Program memory are all supposed to goto
address 0x0000.  My .C file and Program memory does this but my .LST
file goes somewhere else in the code.  Why do they not link up properly?
Sometimes it happens to be okay, but most of the time is out by a lot.

Any suggestions?

Thank you,
John Bellini
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1998\04\20@044511 by Neil Strong

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1998\04\28@071710 by J.C BOTMA

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Is there perhaps anybody that could assist with the signoff procedure of
the list ?
Best wishes,
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Pretoria South-Africa.


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1998\05\01@131429 by nadeem

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Hellow every body i am new to this mailing list, Have any of u made a Icard.
If u have then please can tell me how to make one or from where i can get
info on making one. And please can ya tel me  how to use it and on what sort
of reciever am i suppose to us it on.

thanks from before
Nadeem

1998\05\01@131433 by nadeem

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<DIV>Hellow every body i am new to this mailing list, Have any of u made a
Icard.<BR>If u have then please can tell me how to make one or from where i can
get<BR>info on making one. And please can ya tel me&nbsp; how to use it and on
what sort<BR>of reciever am i suppose to us it on.<BR><BR>thanks from
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1998\05\01@235736 by ia Alves

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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I need a project to send text from my pc
(rs232c) to a lcd (2x20) with a pic14c84.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>and if you have other projects, pse send me
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1998\05\02@024934 by Javier Grijalba

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What is a Icard?
Javier
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To: PICLIST@spam@spamMITVMA.MIT.EDU <spam_OUTPICLISTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Viernes 1 de Mayo de 1998 14:16 PM


>Hellow every body i am new to this mailing list, Have any of u made a
Icard.
>If u have then please can tell me how to make one or from where i can get
>info on making one. And please can ya tel me  how to use it and on what
sort
>of reciever am i suppose to us it on.
>
>thanks from before
>Nadeem

1998\05\02@075234 by Justin Grimm

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From: JosŽ Alexandre Correia Alves <spamjose.alvesspamBeGonespamMAIL.TELEPAC.PT>
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Subject:
Date: Saturday, 2 May 1998 11:20

I need a project to send text from my pc (rs232c) to a lcd (2x20) with a
pic14c84.

and if you have other projects, pse send me !

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1998\05\04@021341 by Vincent Chan

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hi,
       I just begin programming pic.  I have question about rc servo, motor and
sensor.  Do you know where can I find above items for cheap price?  Cost is
my most important factor.
       I am also wondering what kind of above items I should use.  I am just
planning to build a little car that can detect object and avoid to collide
with it and find a way around the object.  The main component of my car are
just rc servo, motor, sensor, a regular(2"x6") breadboard(don't plan to do
soldering my 16F84 for now)and chip;  so should not weight too much.
       Also, I am wondering if I have to use seperate chips for each component.
       Do you know if there are any sample code and circuit for controller moto
r,
sensor and rc servo that I can read as reference?

thanks. bye.

1998\05\04@025531 by g.daniel.invent.design

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>
> hi,
>         I just begin programming pic.  I have question about rc servo, motor a
nd
> sensor.  Do you know where can I find above items for cheap price?  Cost is
> my most important factor.
>         I am also wondering what kind of above items I should use.  I am just
> planning to build a little car that can detect object and avoid to collide
> with it and find a way around the object.  The main component of my car are
> just rc servo, motor, sensor, a regular(2"x6") breadboard(don't plan to do
> soldering my 16F84 for now)and chip;  so should not weight too much.
>         Also, I am wondering if I have to use seperate chips for each componen
t.
>         Do you know if there are any sample code and circuit for controller mo
tor,
> sensor and rc servo that I can read as reference?
>
> thanks. bye.

Vincent,
RC servos use a variable pulsewidth signal proportional to arm position
or speed.
U can use one PIC pin per servo for control ie
-> set up tmr0 for high frequency interupt.
-> use one counter per channel; decrement every interupt.
-> every interupt check counter for equal setpoint; if equal then turn
pulse on
-> every time a counter reaches zero turn pulse off.

-> you can use AN513 as a guide to analog to digital conversion off
digital pins, I have developed similiar code for this that goes even
further and uses macros.

for direct control of a DC motor I recomend the SGS Thomson L293D as a
quick and easy solution, two years ago I trained a PIC16C84 to
bidirectionally drive two geared motors using an X-Y joystick under I.R.
control with this setup. The L293D is power hungry even in low power
mode so helps to use a transistor/mosfet to it for a power down mode.

Be carefull driving mosfets in a bridge configuration, the internal
diodes can "cog" the motor and prevent proper PWM control with out
correct drive sequence, this takes 4 pins per bridge where as you can
get away with only 2 for a L293D bridge(2 per package).
regards,
Graham Daniel

1998\05\12@105751 by RJ Hide

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'Help!'

I am new to PICs and need some help

I have written a program to position a target at various positions,
At first I used TMR0 (no pre-scaler) with no problems! (well not many)
However as I needed more accuracy I altered the program to use TMR1
(asynchronous, prescaler 1)
The problem is that each time I write, or clear the counter it does not
appear to count the first pulse after these operations, but in simulation
it does.

any ideas, am I just doing something stupid?


Many thanks


Bob

1998\05\20@074914 by Koen Theys

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Hi,

I'm looking for a good 'free' C-compiler for a PIC16F84 is there anyone
who can give me an address where I can find this please ?
                                         Thanks,
                                         Koen Theys

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1998\05\27@090943 by David BALDWIN

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I am looking for some things:

       1/ PIC asm and simulator under UNIX
       2/ A good macro for delay in usec and millisec
       3/ A good key routine for debounce

Thanks a lot

David

1998\05\27@091545 by Aaron Hickman

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1998\05\27@110026 by )

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1998\05\27@131411 by David Stone

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In-reply-to: <356C0D56.13728473KILLspamspam.....sdm.bel.alcatel.be>> --------
       On Wed, 27 May 1998 14:55:50 +0200 David BALDWIN wrote:
> I am looking for some things:
>
>         1/ PIC asm and simulator under UNIX

My first cut was to get the most recent versions of the
DOS-based tools from Microchip running in DOSEMU on Linux.
       MPASM 2.01
       MPSIM 5.20

Looking at several Unix-based PIC assemblers it seemed that none
of them maintained compatibility with MPASM syntax.   So I
haven't followed up on this (yet), and am using MPSIM in
DOSEMU.

For simulators I've just been through this and have found that there
are several answers if you are going to only use 16C84 (or 16F84 while
keeping the differences in mind):

       - psim-0.1
               - Minimally featured, yet clean code.  Directly
                 reads INHX8M files.  No documentation.  Available at:
                         
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/pic/psim.html
       - picsim
               - Minimally featured, dependent upon a symbol table
                 file generated by it's sister package, picasm.
                 No documentation.  Available at:
                 www.ai.mit.edu/people/rsargent/picutils.html
       - nitpic
               - GUI/X version.  I didn't work out what kind
                 of input files it needed.  No documentation.
                 Available at the GNUPIC archive:
                         http://www.execpc.com/~rdmiller/gnupic/
       - simulpic
               - Closest to MPSIM in terms of functionality.
                 Minimal documentation, in Italian.  Available at:
                 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/pic.html

After looking at these, I am using MPSIM  in DOSEMU, but musing about
enhancements to simulpic.  In particular, adding symbol support
and a repeat last command function when you input an empty
line to the command parser.

David Stone

1998\05\27@145510 by ogerio Odriozola

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1998\05\29@140946 by David Wong

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How would you implement an array using MicroChip assembly?

For example

In a higher level language I can write

While x < 10
       Piclist(x) = stuff;
       x = x + 1;
End

Is there a way to do something similar using Pic assembly?

Thanks
DW

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* Keeps track of URLs already visited
* Can run 24 hours per day, 7 days per week
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* Also has built in filtering options...you can put in words
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 criteria that it  "Must NOT Have"...giving you added flexibility
* Also imports email addresses from any kind of files (text
 files, binary files, database files)
* List editor handles Multiple files to work on many lists
 simultaneously
* Has a Black-Book feature... avoid sending emails to people
 who do not want to receive it
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1998\05\30@124421 by STEENKAMP [M.ING E&E]

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Hi,

> How would you implement an array using MicroChip assembly?
>
> For example
>
> In a higher level language I can write
>
> While x < 10
>         Piclist(x) = stuff;
>         x = x + 1;
> End
>
> Is there a way to do something similar using Pic assembly?
>
You can use indirect addressing.  This is done through the FSR and INDF
special function registers.  Load the address of the register you want to
access into FSR.  When you then access INDF (read from it or write to
it), the actual file register used will be the one whose address is in
FSR.  For example, if you load 20 into FSR and then do a movf INDF, W you
will actually read the contents of register 20 into W.

Your routine could be done like this:

   movlw   PicList     ;Get address of first byte in array
   movwf   FSR         ;Use indirect addressing
   movlw   10          ;Repeat for 10 elements
   movwf   x

Loop:
   movlw   stuff       ;Get whatever you want in the array into W
   movwf   INDF        ;Store in array
   incf    FSR, F      ;Next byte in the array
   decfsz  x, F
    goto   Loop        ;Repeat until x=0



Niki


1998\06\03@004352 by Gregg Kricorissian
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Mon, 1 Jun 1998,  Andre Abelian  asked:

>I made PWM based on 16c71 connection between
>pic output to logic level hexfet gate I put 300 ohms resistor.
>I am driving 10 A fuel pump. the problem is that ones in a while
>when this hexfet gets hot PWM stops working until it
>cools down. my question is using 300 ohm between pic and FET is
>it correct.

Andre,

Power FETs are easy to drive poorly, and can be very difficult to drive
efficiently.  The clue with your project is that the hexfet is running
hot.... likely because it is  either not far enough into saturation while
it is "on", and/or not switching fast enough during PWM.  In either case,
as the FET heats up, the conductance of the device gets worse, causing
still more heating.  THis mechanism of FETs makes them immune to the
thermal runaway of bipolar transistors, but can make them a pain to drive.

The series resistor in the FET's gate circuit is only required to prevent
spurious oscillation during switching, since there is "no" current flow
except during the edges.  However, since the gate is capacitive, any series
resistance also slows down switching.  If your PWM frequency is high, you
may be inadvertently be adding to you heating problems by preventing clean
turn off and turn on of your output device with that 300 ohm resistor. I
should think that 47 ohms is fine for your purpose.  You might think about
putting a gate bleed resistor in as well.

Another thing you have to watch with high current loads is keeping the
drive circuitry and load paths separate ... high frequency PWM can cause
havoc if the two circuits share much  ground path ... best to use single
point grounding.

After the paper design stage, I prefer to develop a drive circuit by
monitoring the FET switching waveforms with a scope .... both voltage and
current, and adjust values to optimize saturation and switching times.

Hope this helps,
.. Gregg
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1998\06\11@034243 by Koll,Rob

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Michael,

Typical debounce times are somewhere about 10 ms, but afcourse it depends
on the type of switch. So, make it easy configurable and start with 10
ms. We made a system with switched connected to a I2C IO expander
(Philips chip PCF8574A) connected to a PIC 16C73A or 16C76 using I2C
connection. The IO expander also controls 2 LED's. Each time the switch
changes, an interrupt is given to the PIC and it gets the current state.
A timer (1 ms interval time) counts up the key stable time. When it
reaches a threshold (5 ms in the current version, using dipswitches, no
final HW available yet) and running fine.

Greetings,

Rob Koll

1998\06\15@140723 by Craig Webb

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Hi all,

I've asked about this before, and it's not that I deleted responses I got,
but rather that I haven't really found a solution yet.

There must be someone out there who knows of an *inexpensive* source for
LCD displays, overseas or local. Something like 128x64 adressable, but
simple (no char. gen. needed, no bells and whistles).

I'd even be willing to pay a finder's fee for a really good source tip.

My appreciation in advance,

Craig Webb

1998\06\16@001521 by Mike Hamilton

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I know of a few different styles of lcd's that are sold for cheap at a
nearby electronics store.  They don't ship orders, but If you tell me what
you need I can get pick you up some and send them to you for a small fee.
Please be more specific of what you need and what price you are expecting.
I can also give you help interfacing them with pic's or whatever since I
have used alot of them in my own projects.
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1998\06\16@112009 by Andy Kunz

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>There must be someone out there who knows of an *inexpensive* source for
>LCD displays, overseas or local. Something like 128x64 adressable, but
>simple (no char. gen. needed, no bells and whistles).

Try http://www.hantronix.com.

They are about as cheap & reliable as you'll find.

Andy


==================================================================
Andy Kunz - Statistical Research, Inc. - Westfield, New Jersey USA
==================================================================

1998\06\16@142227 by smg

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Andy:

LCD displays are very expensive.  Usually you can do better by talking to
an optronics rep and finding out what they are supplying in high volume to
some other account. If you could be more specific as to the specs.
Full VGA, 1/2 VGA, lines, decoding, back lighting, etc. I will look over
what we have bought and see if there is a fit.  Also, quantities are
important.  Is it just for your lab or is it for a production item?  Please
excuse me if I have missed the information on other notes.

Richard


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1998\06\16@230906 by ape

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How about a 640x64 for $16.00 or 640x480 for $25.00.
Try http://www.allcorp.com/
It's a surplus house.  The above two sizes are their current
selections.  Great source for non-production supplies.


> >There must be someone out there who knows of an *inexpensive* source for
> >LCD displays, overseas or local. Something like 128x64 adressable, but
> >simple (no char. gen. needed, no bells and whistles).

1998\06\19@021350 by Mark G. Forbes

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[Dominic explains....]
"Okay here is why I am looking to get a 1nanosecond clock pulse. My application
is to measure the distance between 2 unknown points ( at most being 500-600
yards
apart) using a two-way (round trip) ranging principle based on point source
radio
systems. This is basically how I want it to work. Transceiver 1 transmits a
signal(pulses), the signal is received at transceiver 2, and after a fixed known
delay , it is re-transmitted back to transceiver 1, is received by  transceiver
1`s receiver and input to a ranging circuit. The ranging circuit measures
the time
difference between the original transmission time and the time of reception
(less
the known fixed delay) , which would be a direct measure of the two-way distance
when multiplied by the speed of light.This is the problem, the speed of light
travels at 186,000 miles per second.That translates into roughly 98,208,000 feet
per second. For an accurate measurement I would need an oscillator( I guess
out of
the question with a pic) that would supply my ranging circuit with a time period
that would translate into approximately 1nanosecond per foot. I would like
to use
a PIC to do all the conversions( time to feet and/or yards) and drive an LCD
display. Any help will be greatly appreciated."

Ok...everybody together now....."You're doing it all wrong!"

That's a great idea, in principle, but as you've already observed,
it's hard to put into practice because of the annoyingly fast rate
that light moves about. Galileo had the same problem, *way* back when.

This problem has already been solved, and you don't even need two radio
transmitters to solve it. One will do.

Create a radio signal of some reasonable frequency, say 902MHz. That's the
ISM band in the US, a fairly un-regulated area to work in. Apply a modulating
signal such that the carrrier frequency is swept up and down over a range.
This is technology you can get off-the-shelf. Point your signal at the
distant target, where you've installed an antenna, configured as a reflector.
You don't actually *have* to use a reflecting antenna, but it'll make
the signal discrimination a lot easier. At 900MHZ, these things don't have
to be very large.

The transmitting antenna sends out a signal, and it sweeps up in frequency. One
round-trip-time later, the receiving antenna begins to pick up the signal
that's been reflected back from the reflecting antenna at the other end. But
right now, the transmitter is sending a signal that's higher in frequency
than it was when it started, and so there's a difference in frequency between
the transmitted and received signals. And that difference is proportional to
the round-trip-time, and hence the distance. Using a mixing circuit, combine
a little of the transmitter signal with the received signal. This will generate
sum and difference signals, and you filter out the carrier frequency and the
sum, and keep the difference. At zero distance, there's no difference between
the two, and the difference frequency goes to zero (DC). As the distance
increases, the difference frequency goes up. The sweep rate of the modulation
provides the scale factor, and now all you have to sense is a signal that's
somewhere in the audio range of frequencies. That's a *much* easier problem!

Note that you can also determine speed this way; set the sweep to zero for a
fixed frequency, and the difference tells you whether the target is moving
or not, and how fast. Alternate sweeping with fixed frequency, and you can
also tell which way it's going! This is some of the science behind radar guns.

This works with light, too, and it's the principle behind things like laser
rangefinders. Even cameras have things like this, these days, so it's not
an expensive problem to solve.

The ARRL handbook will have an assortment of useful information on RF design,
which is where you need to be looking. A PIC could probably do the sweep
control and the signal detection, but you've got other things to figure out
that dwarf simple things like the control circuit.

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* Fast and Easy List Management
* Also has built in filtering options...you can put in words
 that it "Must" have while searching,...you can even put in
 criteria that it  "Must NOT Have"...giving you added flexibility
* Also imports email addresses from any kind of files (text
 files, binary files, database files)
* List editor handles Multiple files to work on many lists
 simultaneously
* Has a Black-Book feature... avoid sending emails to people
 who do not want to receive it
* Built-in Mail program...send email directly on the internet
 with just a click of your mouse
* Personalized Emails...if the email address has the user's
 name when it is collected,..you can send Personalized emails!!!
* Sort by Location, Server, User Name, Contact Name
* Advanced Operations:
· Email address lists export in many different formats
 (HTML, Comma delimited, text file)
· Advanced editing...Transfer, Copy,  Addition, Delete, Crop,
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· Operations between lists...Union, Subtraction, Comparison
* Program is Passive,...meaning you can run other programs at
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______ BULL'S EYE SOFTWARE   $259.00
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even collect email addresses for specific states, cities, and
even countries!  All you need is your web browser and this program.
Our software utilizes the latest in search technology called
"spidering". By simply feeding the spider program a starting
website it will collect for hours. The spider will go from website
to targeted website providing you with thousands upon thousands of
fresh TARGETED email addresses. When you are done collecting,  the
spider removes duplicates and saves the email list in a ready to
send format. No longer is it necessary to send millions of ads to
get a handful of responses...SEND LESS...EARN MORE!!!

A terrific aspect of the Bull's Eye software is that there is
no difficult set up involved and no special technical mumbo-jumbo
to learn. All you need to know is how to search for your targeted
market in one of the many search engines and let the spider do the
rest! Not familiar with the search engines? No problem, we provide
you with a list of all the top search engines. Just surf to the
location of a search engine on your browser then search for the
market you wish to reach...it's that easy!

For instance if you were looking for email addresses of Doctors
in New York all you would do is:

1) Do a search using your favorite search engine by typing in
the words doctor(s) and New York
2) Copy the URL (one or more)...that's the stuff after the
...  for instance it might look like
http://www.yahoo.com/?doctor(s)/?New+York
3) Press the START button

THAT's IT!!!  The Bull's Eye spider will go to all the websites
that are linked, automatically extracting the email addresses
you want.

The spider is passive too! That means you can let it run all
day or all night while you are working on important things or
just having fun on your computer. There is no need to keep a
constant watch on it, just feed it your target market and give
it praise when it delivers thousands of email addresses at
the end of the day!

Features of the Bull's Eye Software:

* Does TARGETED searches of websites collecting the email
 addresses you want!
* Collects Email addresses by City, State, even specific
 Countries
* Runs Automatically...simply enter the Starting information,
 press The Start Button, and it does the rest
* Filters out duplicates
* Keeps track of URLs already visited
* Can run 24 hours per day, 7 days per week
* Fast and Easy List Management
* Also has built in filtering options...you can put in words
 that it "Must" have while searching,...you can even put in
 criteria that it  "Must NOT Have"...giving you added flexibility
* Also imports email addresses from any kind of files (text
 files, binary files, database files)
* List editor handles Multiple files to work on many lists
 simultaneously
* Has a Black-Book feature... avoid sending emails to people
 who do not want to receive it
* Built-in Mail program...send email directly on the internet
 with just a click of your mouse
* Personalized Emails...if the email address has the user's
 name when it is collected,..you can send Personalized emails!!!
* Sort by Location, Server, User Name, Contact Name
* Advanced Operations:
· Email address lists export in many different formats
 (HTML, Comma delimited, text file)
· Advanced editing...Transfer, Copy,  Addition, Delete, Crop,
 Move to Top/Bottom
· Operations between lists...Union, Subtraction, Comparison
* Program is Passive,...meaning you can run other programs at
 the same time

CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-969-4930
CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-969-4930

ORDERING INFORMATION

Customer Name
Company Name
Address
City
State                       Zip
Phone                                       Fax
Email Address

______ BULL'S EYE SOFTWARE   $259.00
Includes Software, Instructions, Technical Support

______ Shipping & Handling  (2-3 Day Fedex)  $10.00
                          (Fedex Overnite) $20.00

______  TOTAL
                (CA Residents add applicable sales tax)

*All orders are for Win 95 and Win NT

               *****CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED*****
                  MASTERCARD   VISA   AMEX

  PLEASE CALL 213-969-4930 to process your order
                       9am-5pm Pacific Time
               Checks or Money Orders send to:
                     WorldTouch Network Inc.
5670 Wilshire Blvd.  Suite 2170 Los Angeles, CA 90036
Please note:  Allow 5 business days for all checks to
clear before order is shipped.

1998\06\25@223941 by 8cpl3y

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Subject:    Bull's*Eye* Targeting_Software
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!!

Bull's Eye Gold is the PREMIER email address collection tool.
This program allows you to develop TARGETED lists of email
addresses.  Doctors, florists, MLM, biz opp,...you can collect
anything...you are only limited by your imagination!  You can
even collect email addresses for specific states, cities, and
even countries!  All you need is your web browser and this program.
Our software utilizes the latest in search technology called
"spidering". By simply feeding the spider program a starting
website it will collect for hours. The spider will go from website
to targeted website providing you with thousands upon thousands of
fresh TARGETED email addresses. When you are done collecting,  the
spider removes duplicates and saves the email list in a ready to
send format. No longer is it necessary to send millions of ads to
get a handful of responses...SEND LESS...EARN MORE!!!

A terrific aspect of the Bull's Eye software is that there is
no difficult set up involved and no special technical mumbo-jumbo
to learn. All you need to know is how to search for your targeted
market in one of the many search engines and let the spider do the
rest! Not familiar with the search engines? No problem, we provide
you with a list of all the top search engines. Just surf to the
location of a search engine on your browser then search for the
market you wish to reach...it's that easy!

For instance if you were looking for email addresses of Doctors
in New York all you would do is:

1) Do a search using your favorite search engine by typing in
the words doctor(s) and New York
2) Copy the URL (one or more)...that's the stuff after the
...  for instance it might look like
http://www.yahoo.com/?doctor(s)/?New+York
3) Press the START button

THAT's IT!!!  The Bull's Eye spider will go to all the websites
that are linked, automatically extracting the email addresses
you want.

The spider is passive too! That means you can let it run all
day or all night while you are working on important things or
just having fun on your computer. There is no need to keep a
constant watch on it, just feed it your target market and give
it praise when it delivers thousands of email addresses at
the end of the day!

Features of the Bull's Eye Software:

* Does TARGETED searches of websites collecting the email
 addresses you want!
* Collects Email addresses by City, State, even specific
 Countries
* Runs Automatically...simply enter the Starting information,
 press The Start Button, and it does the rest
* Filters out duplicates
* Keeps track of URLs already visited
* Can run 24 hours per day, 7 days per week
* Fast and Easy List Management
* Also has built in filtering options...you can put in words
 that it "Must" have while searching,...you can even put in
 criteria that it  "Must NOT Have"...giving you added flexibility
* Also imports email addresses from any kind of files (text
 files, binary files, database files)
* List editor handles Multiple files to work on many lists
 simultaneously
* Has a Black-Book feature... avoid sending emails to people
 who do not want to receive it
* Built-in Mail program...send email directly on the internet
 with just a click of your mouse
* Personalized Emails...if the email address has the user's
 name when it is collected,..you can send Personalized emails!!!
* Sort by Location, Server, User Name, Contact Name
* Advanced Operations:
7 Email address lists export in many different formats
 (HTML, Comma delimited, text file)
7 Advanced editing...Transfer, Copy,  Addition, Delete, Crop,
 Move to Top/Bottom
7 Operations between lists...Union, Subtraction, Comparison
* Program is Passive,...meaning you can run other programs at
 the same time

CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-427-5820
CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-427-5820

ORDERING INFORMATION

Customer Name
Company Name
Address
City
State                       Zip
Phone                                       Fax
Email Address

______ BULL'S EYE SOFTWARE   $259.00
Includes Software, Instructions, Technical Support

______ Shipping & Handling  (2-3 Day Fedex)  $10.00
                          (Fedex Overnite) $20.00

______  TOTAL
                (CA Residents add applicable sales tax)

*All orders are for Win 95 and Win NT

               *****CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED*****
                  MASTERCARD   VISA   AMEX

  PLEASE CALL 213-427-5820 to process your order
                       9am-5pm Pacific Time
               Checks or Money Orders send to:
                     WorldTouch Network Inc.
5670 Wilshire Blvd.  Suite 2170 Los Angeles, CA 90036
Please note:  Allow 5 business days for all checks to
clear before order is shipped.


*If you would like your email address removed, please
write us at the above address.

1998\06\25@232723 by 8cpl3y

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Subject:   _Bull's*Eye* Targeting_Software_
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!!

Bull's Eye Gold is the PREMIER email address collection tool.
This program allows you to develop TARGETED lists of email
addresses.  Doctors, florists, MLM, biz opp,...you can collect
anything...you are only limited by your imagination!  You can
even collect email addresses for specific states, cities, and
even countries!  All you need is your web browser and this program.
Our software utilizes the latest in search technology called
"spidering". By simply feeding the spider program a starting
website it will collect for hours. The spider will go from website
to targeted website providing you with thousands upon thousands of
fresh TARGETED email addresses. When you are done collecting,  the
spider removes duplicates and saves the email list in a ready to
send format. No longer is it necessary to send millions of ads to
get a handful of responses...SEND LESS...EARN MORE!!!

A terrific aspect of the Bull's Eye software is that there is
no difficult set up involved and no special technical mumbo-jumbo
to learn. All you need to know is how to search for your targeted
market in one of the many search engines and let the spider do the
rest! Not familiar with the search engines? No problem, we provide
you with a list of all the top search engines. Just surf to the
location of a search engine on your browser then search for the
market you wish to reach...it's that easy!

For instance if you were looking for email addresses of Doctors
in New York all you would do is:

1) Do a search using your favorite search engine by typing in
the words doctor(s) and New York
2) Copy the URL (one or more)...that's the stuff after the
...  for instance it might look like
http://www.yahoo.com/?doctor(s)/?New+York
3) Press the START button

THAT's IT!!!  The Bull's Eye spider will go to all the websites
that are linked, automatically extracting the email addresses
you want.

The spider is passive too! That means you can let it run all
day or all night while you are working on important things or
just having fun on your computer. There is no need to keep a
constant watch on it, just feed it your target market and give
it praise when it delivers thousands of email addresses at
the end of the day!

Features of the Bull's Eye Software:

* Does TARGETED searches of websites collecting the email
 addresses you want!
* Collects Email addresses by City, State, even specific
 Countries
* Runs Automatically...simply enter the Starting information,
 press The Start Button, and it does the rest
* Filters out duplicates
* Keeps track of URLs already visited
* Can run 24 hours per day, 7 days per week
* Fast and Easy List Management
* Also has built in filtering options...you can put in words
 that it "Must" have while searching,...you can even put in
 criteria that it  "Must NOT Have"...giving you added flexibility
* Also imports email addresses from any kind of files (text
 files, binary files, database files)
* List editor handles Multiple files to work on many lists
 simultaneously
* Has a Black-Book feature... avoid sending emails to people
 who do not want to receive it
* Built-in Mail program...send email directly on the internet
 with just a click of your mouse
* Personalized Emails...if the email address has the user's
 name when it is collected,..you can send Personalized emails!!!
* Sort by Location, Server, User Name, Contact Name
* Advanced Operations:
7 Email address lists export in many different formats
 (HTML, Comma delimited, text file)
7 Advanced editing...Transfer, Copy,  Addition, Delete, Crop,
 Move to Top/Bottom
7 Operations between lists...Union, Subtraction, Comparison
* Program is Passive,...meaning you can run other programs at
 the same time

CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-427-5820
CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-427-5820

ORDERING INFORMATION

Customer Name
Company Name
Address
City
State                       Zip
Phone                                       Fax
Email Address

______ BULL'S EYE SOFTWARE   $259.00
Includes Software, Instructions, Technical Support

______ Shipping & Handling  (2-3 Day Fedex)  $10.00
                          (Fedex Overnite) $20.00

______  TOTAL
                (CA Residents add applicable sales tax)

*All orders are for Win 95 and Win NT

               *****CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED*****
                  MASTERCARD   VISA   AMEX

  PLEASE CALL 213-427-5820 to process your order
                       9am-5pm Pacific Time
               Checks or Money Orders send to:
                     WorldTouch Network Inc.
5670 Wilshire Blvd.  Suite 2170 Los Angeles, CA 90036
Please note:  Allow 5 business days for all checks to
clear before order is shipped.


*If you would like your email address removed, please
write us at the above address.

1998\06\26@021317 by mark kekkonen

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1998\06\26@174956 by Brad Melnyk

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I am using the 17C44 with external EEPROM memory as shown on page 29 of the PIC17C4X DATA SHEET.  The setup I am using is identical.  The clock rate is 4Mz.  The Amtel EEPROM has a 120 ns access time.   I have a boot loader program residing in the PIC which, with the aid of a computer, transfers the program contents from a hex file to EEPROM memory using the table write instruction.  Upon transferring the program, the boot loader jumps to new program and begins executing the code there.  Note that interrupts are redirected within the PIC to the appropriate handler in EEPROM memory.  The PIC is set up for extended microcontroller mode.

The problem I am experiencing is that, although smaller programs work fine (will execute normally from EEPROM memory), larger programs run for a while and jump to some random memory address in EEPROM.  Interrupts appear to operate normally.  Is it possible the program counter is not able to fetch the next instruction quickly enough and returns a garbage instruction?  I have verified that the program contents are intact by comparing each byte to the listing file.  Any comments or suggestions would be helpful.


1998\07\14@181820 by Dale Gomes
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1998\07\15@064310 by Clewer,Brian

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Andre wrote,

>Hi Mark :
>
>Thank you for your recombination I already tried that with out
>initialising the ram still works and jw part was covered with black
>tape. have you looked at attached code?
>
>Andre


Andre, I think Mark is correct (and so is your code for that matter) but
in my experience, it does take a while for the JW part to 'scramble' its
ram whilst in the dark (about a month or so).  Try going the Andy
Warren's Fast Forward site for more information (it's the top question!)

http://pw2.netcom.com/~fastfwd/answers.html

1998\07\15@181022 by 3j45d3

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Authenticated sender is <spam_OUT3j45d3EraseMEspam.....worldnet.att.net>
Subject:   -+-+Bull*sEye-*Targeting*Software*+
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!!

Bull's Eye Gold is the PREMIER email address collection tool.
This program allows you to develop TARGETED lists of email
addresses.  Doctors, florists, MLM, biz opp,...you can collect
anything...you are only limited by your imagination!  You can
even collect email addresses for specific states, cities, and
even countries!  All you need is your web browser and this program.
Our software utilizes the latest in search technology called
"spidering". By simply feeding the spider program a starting
website it will collect for hours. The spider will go from website
to targeted website providing you with thousands upon thousands of
fresh TARGETED email addresses. When you are done collecting,  the
spider removes duplicates and saves the email list in a ready to
send format. No longer is it necessary to send millions of ads to
get a handful of responses...SEND LESS...EARN MORE!!!

A terrific aspect of the Bull's Eye software is that there is
no difficult set up involved and no special technical mumbo-jumbo
to learn. All you need to know is how to search for your targeted
market in one of the many search engines and let the spider do the
rest! Not familiar with the search engines? No problem, we provide
you with a list of all the top search engines. Just surf to the
location of a search engine on your browser then search for the
market you wish to reach...it's that easy!

For instance if you were looking for email addresses of Doctors
in New York all you would do is:

1) Do a search using your favorite search engine by typing in
the words doctor(s) and New York
2) Copy the URL (one or more)...that's the stuff after the
...  for instance it might look like
http://www.yahoo.com/?doctor(s)/?New+York
3) Press the START button

THAT's IT!!!  The Bull's Eye spider will go to all the websites
that are linked, automatically extracting the email addresses
you want.

The spider is passive too! That means you can let it run all
day or all night while you are working on important things or
just having fun on your computer. There is no need to keep a
constant watch on it, just feed it your target market and give
it praise when it delivers thousands of email addresses at
the end of the day!

Features of the Bull's Eye Software:

* Does TARGETED searches of websites collecting the email
 addresses you want!
* Collects Email addresses by City, State, even specific
 Countries
* Runs Automatically...simply enter the Starting information,
 press The Start Button, and it does the rest
* Filters out duplicates
* Keeps track of URLs already visited
* Can run 24 hours per day, 7 days per week
* Fast and Easy List Management
* Also has built in filtering options...you can put in words
 that it "Must" have while searching,...you can even put in
 criteria that it  "Must NOT Have"...giving you added flexibility
* Also imports email addresses from any kind of files (text
 files, binary files, database files)
* List editor handles Multiple files to work on many lists
 simultaneously
* Has a Black-Book feature... avoid sending emails to people
 who do not want to receive it
* Built-in Mail program...send email directly on the internet
 with just a click of your mouse
* Personalized Emails...if the email address has the user's
 name when it is collected,..you can send Personalized emails!!!
* Sort by Location, Server, User Name, Contact Name
* Advanced Operations:
7 Email address lists export in many different formats
 (HTML, Comma delimited, text file)
7 Advanced editing...Transfer, Copy,  Addition, Delete, Crop,
 Move to Top/Bottom
7 Operations between lists...Union, Subtraction, Comparison
* Program is Passive,...meaning you can run other programs at
 the same time

CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-980-7850
CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-980-7850

ORDERING INFORMATION

Customer Name
Company Name
Address
City
State                       Zip
Phone                                       Fax
Email Address

______ BULL'S EYE SOFTWARE   $259.00
Includes Software, Instructions, Technical Support

______ Shipping & Handling  (2-3 Day Fedex)  $10.00
                          (Fedex Overnite) $20.00

______  TOTAL
                (CA Residents add applicable sales tax)

*All orders are for Win 95 and Win NT

               *****CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED*****
                  MASTERCARD   VISA   AMEX

  PLEASE CALL 213-980-7850 to process your order
                       9am-5pm Pacific Time
               Checks or Money Orders send to:
                     WorldTouch Network Inc.
5670 Wilshire Blvd.  Suite 2170 Los Angeles, CA 90036
Please note:  Allow 5 business days for all checks to
clear before order is shipped.


*If you would like your email address removed, please
write us at the above address.

1998\07\15@203900 by 1175d3

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Authenticated sender is <EraseME1175d3KILLspamspamspamworldnet.att.net>
Subject:   --Bull*sEye-*Targeting*Software*+
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!!

Bull's Eye Gold is the PREMIER email address collection tool.
This program allows you to develop TARGETED lists of email
addresses.  Doctors, florists, MLM, biz opp,...you can collect
anything...you are only limited by your imagination!  You can
even collect email addresses for specific states, cities, and
even countries!  All you need is your web browser and this program.
Our software utilizes the latest in search technology called
"spidering". By simply feeding the spider program a starting
website it will collect for hours. The spider will go from website
to targeted website providing you with thousands upon thousands of
fresh TARGETED email addresses. When you are done collecting,  the
spider removes duplicates and saves the email list in a ready to
send format. No longer is it necessary to send millions of ads to
get a handful of responses...SEND LESS...EARN MORE!!!

A terrific aspect of the Bull's Eye software is that there is
no difficult set up involved and no special technical mumbo-jumbo
to learn. All you need to know is how to search for your targeted
market in one of the many search engines and let the spider do the
rest! Not familiar with the search engines? No problem, we provide
you with a list of all the top search engines. Just surf to the
location of a search engine on your browser then search for the
market you wish to reach...it's that easy!

For instance if you were looking for email addresses of Doctors
in New York all you would do is:

1) Do a search using your favorite search engine by typing in
the words doctor(s) and New York
2) Copy the URL (one or more)...that's the stuff after the
...  for instance it might look like
http://www.yahoo.com/?doctor(s)/?New+York
3) Press the START button

THAT's IT!!!  The Bull's Eye spider will go to all the websites
that are linked, automatically extracting the email addresses
you want.

The spider is passive too! That means you can let it run all
day or all night while you are working on important things or
just having fun on your computer. There is no need to keep a
constant watch on it, just feed it your target market and give
it praise when it delivers thousands of email addresses at
the end of the day!

Features of the Bull's Eye Software:

* Does TARGETED searches of websites collecting the email
 addresses you want!
* Collects Email addresses by City, State, even specific
 Countries
* Runs Automatically...simply enter the Starting information,
 press The Start Button, and it does the rest
* Filters out duplicates
* Keeps track of URLs already visited
* Can run 24 hours per day, 7 days per week
* Fast and Easy List Management
* Also has built in filtering options...you can put in words
 that it "Must" have while searching,...you can even put in
 criteria that it  "Must NOT Have"...giving you added flexibility
* Also imports email addresses from any kind of files (text
 files, binary files, database files)
* List editor handles Multiple files to work on many lists
 simultaneously
* Has a Black-Book feature... avoid sending emails to people
 who do not want to receive it
* Built-in Mail program...send email directly on the internet
 with just a click of your mouse
* Personalized Emails...if the email address has the user's
 name when it is collected,..you can send Personalized emails!!!
* Sort by Location, Server, User Name, Contact Name
* Advanced Operations:
7 Email address lists export in many different formats
 (HTML, Comma delimited, text file)
7 Advanced editing...Transfer, Copy,  Addition, Delete, Crop,
 Move to Top/Bottom
7 Operations between lists...Union, Subtraction, Comparison
* Program is Passive,...meaning you can run other programs at
 the same time

CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-980-7850
CALL FOR MORE INFORMATION   213-980-7850

ORDERING INFORMATION

Customer Name
Company Name
Address
City
State                       Zip
Phone                                       Fax
Email Address

______ BULL'S EYE SOFTWARE   $259.00
Includes Software, Instructions, Technical Support

______ Shipping & Handling  (2-3 Day Fedex)  $10.00
                          (Fedex Overnite) $20.00

______  TOTAL
                (CA Residents add applicable sales tax)

*All orders are for Win 95 and Win NT

               *****CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED*****
                  MASTERCARD   VISA   AMEX

  PLEASE CALL 213-980-7850 to process your order
                       9am-5pm Pacific Time
               Checks or Money Orders send to:
                     WorldTouch Network Inc.
5670 Wilshire Blvd.  Suite 2170 Los Angeles, CA 90036
Please note:  Allow 5 business days for all checks to
clear before order is shipped.


*If you would like your email address removed, please
write us at the above address.

1998\07\15@213957 by 23d727

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Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!!

Bull's Eye Gold is the PREMIER email address collection tool.
This program allows you to develop TARGETED lists of email
addresses.  Doctors, florists, MLM, biz opp,...you can collect
anything...you are only limited by your imagination!  You can
even collect email addresses for specific states, cities, and
even countries!  All you need is your web browser and this program.
Our software utilizes the latest in search technology called
"spidering". By simply feeding the spider program a starting
website it will collect for hours. The spider will go from website
to targeted website providing you with thousands upon thousands of
fresh TARGETED email addresses. When you are done collecting,  the
spider removes duplicates and saves the email list in a ready to
send format. No longer is it necessary to send millions of ads to
get a handful of responses...SEND LESS...EARN MORE!!!

A terrific aspect of the Bull's Eye software is that there is
no difficult set up involved and no special technical mumbo-jumbo
to learn. All you need to know is how to search for your targeted
market in one of the many search engines and let the spider do the
rest! Not familiar with the search engines? No problem, we provide
you with a list of all the top search engines. Just surf to the
location of a search engine on your browser then search for the
market you wish to reach...it's that easy!

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1998\07\19@235517 by R. Michael O'Bannon

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I am working on an application in which I need to do digital filtering with
a PIC16C74.  The application is an EEG biofeedback device,  and the filter
needs a have a sharp bandpass response in the 1 to 40 Hz range.  Could
someone suggest a source for sample code and for calculating the
coefficients for various frequencies?

Any help would be appreciated.




R. Michael O'Bannon, Ph.D.
Corporate and Clinical Psychologist
42 Lenox Pointe
Atlanta, GA  30324

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1998\07\21@053304 by n/a

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One of the latest attachments is a .exe!  If you run a .exe that is sent to you
in an email attachment you are asking for big trouble -- Like goodby operating s
ystem, hard disk, screw up your CMOS RAM so you need to remove the battery befor
e you can even get into the CMOS setup program.  Don't tell me you trust
the person sending the email.  Its easy to fake the From: address in an email, l
ike I'm doing right now!

1998\07\22@064541 by 31_AT_~LBKDOMA_NE%~MEPHUBA_MG%CCMAIL

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    Thanks for the info,  I'll look into it, I've used the '46s in other
    applications so it should'nt be to hard.

    I just wondered if there was another way without the PLL.


    ----------------------
    Dave Ward
    BNFL Magnox Generation
    England

1998\07\30@233034 by Eric Beazley

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can anyone help me?
im looking for copies of emails from people in new zealand looking for
pic chips, and being refereed to spectron new zealand. if you have
copies please send to spam_OUTericbspamspamRemoveMEspectron.co.nz.
thank you....eric

1998\07\31@191214 by Russell McMahon

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Hi Eric - I've mentioned Spectron here a few days ago (with suitably nice
comments :-)).
What are you trying to find out?

I also commented less favourably on the service small customers may receive
from your suppliers (nothing actionable I think (hope :-)).

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1998\08\05@010854 by Gavin Jackson
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I'm interested in any info you have on PIC chips. I'm a
student here in Auckland and Avnet don't want to deal
with individuals.

Regards

Gavin
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www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/2625
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent:   Friday, July 31, 1998 3:29 PM
To:     KILLspamPICLISTspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject:

can anyone help me?
im looking for copies of emails from people in new zealand looking for
pic chips, and being refereed to spectron new zealand. if you have
copies please send to @spam@ericbEraseMEspamTakeThisOuTspectron.co.nz.
thank you....eric

1998\08\05@062813 by Stefan Sczekalla-Waldschmidt

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Hi Gavin,

Gavin Jackson schrieb:
>
> Hi Eric
>
> I'm interested in any info you have on PIC chips. I'm a
> student here in Auckland and Avnet don't want to deal
> with individuals.
>
> Regards
>
> Gavin

If they don4t know you tell them you are:

       a) Student - needs some kind of begging and possibly help
          from your school - looking for info.

       b) Engeneer working for special projects as a
          one-man-company / consultant.

the chips could be bought at farnell http://www.farnell.de

1998\08\05@203316 by Eric Beazley

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Hi Gavin
Welcome to Spectron. I am more than happy to help you where I can. There
is loads of data available on pic chips. most of it is available on the
internet where is where I refer most people. if there is specific data
or a specific book you are looking for let me know, otherwise can you
give me a few clues as to what it is your looking for so I can point you
in the right direction.
Have a fantastic day.
Regards
Eric.

> {Original Message removed}

1998\08\06@035803 by Dale Wescombe

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Gavin,
What info do you want ? I'm an FAE for an Australian company called Zatek.
Part of the ARROW group. Maybe I can help an individual!!!!
Dale

At 05:06 PM 8/5/98 +1200, you wrote:
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1998\08\06@041353 by David test

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How do I get on this list?  Please Email me directly on
RemoveMEddpiclistspamspamhotmail.com

Thanks
Dave

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1998\08\13@055019 by Michael van der Zee

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hi,

I'm new at this pic programming. I belive I need a push in the right direction.

I've got a pic 16c84 and a "picstart plus" programmer from microchip with mpasm.

I'm lost in all kinds of project files linkers and *.asm.

What I like to do is the following,

I need a I2C or UART (or any other) communication, and olso my own code ( I need to count inputs only). My own code is not the problem but compiling it with the I2C. Some AN*** directory's on the cd shiped with the programmer contain asm files and other, but the files are all for different pic divices...??

can I use these files on a 16c84 ..?
do I need template's ..?

I belive that it must be verry simple (couse thats what a read everywere) but I'm lost.

I olso keep getting the same error like this:

*************
(Lots of errors)
Error[147]   C:\PROGRA~1\MPLAB\EXAMPLE\I2CBUS.ASM 391 : Directive not allowed when generating an object file (ORG)
Error[152]   C:\PROGRA~1\MPLAB\EXAMPLE\I2CBUS.ASM 392 : Executable code and data must be defined in an appropriate section
(but alway's unable to find output file)
MPLAB is unable to find output file "I2CBUS.O".

Build failed.
*************
What am I doeing wrong here...??


please help

thanx

Michael.

1998\08\19@172334 by Donald Brown

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Hi,

I'm looking for some code routines for the PIC 16f84 to send and
recieve X10 commands.

Can someone please help.

Thanks
Don

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1998\08\19@214331 by Gary T. Pepper

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At 02:20 PM 8/19/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm looking for some code routines for the PIC 16f84 to send and
>recieve X10 commands.
>
>Can someone please help.
>
>Thanks
>Don
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>


The next version (v2.0) of microEngineering's PicBasic Pro is supposed to
have X10 support.  The promised release date is sometime this month.

Gary Pepper

1998\08\21@154459 by Dave Mumert

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Hi all

Can someone explain why the following code does not change GP4 and GP5 in
the MPLAB SIM?
I think I may be losing my mind.

       list      p=12c671            ; list directive to define processor
       #include <p12c671.inc>        ; processor specific variable definitions

       __CONFIG   _CP_OFF & _WDT_ON & _PWRTE_ON & _INTRC_OSC_NOCLKOUT & _MCLRE_
OFF

       org     0
main
       bsf   STATUS,RP0      ; set file register bank to 1
       clrf    INTCON          ; disable all interupts
       clrf    PIE1            ; disable peripheral interupts
       movlw   04H             ;was 04
       movwf   ADCON1          ; set GP0,GP1 to analog inputs
       movlw   B'00001011'
       movwf   GPIO            ; set bit 0, 1, 3 to inputs
       movlw   B'10001111'
       movwf   OPTION_REG      ; set Option register
       btfss   PCON,1          ; have we just powered up
       bcf   STATUS,RP0      ; set file register bank to 0
;
Main1
       movlw   00H
       movwf   GPIO
       movlw   034H
       movwf   GPIO
       goto    Main1

       end

Thanks

Dave Mumert
dmumert@spam@spamspam_OUTtelusplanet.net

1998\08\21@163314 by Chip Weller

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Dave:
   I don't see the tristate register being set. Comments on the 8th
instruction seems to indicate that was suppose to be a TRIS GPIO instead
of a MOVWF GPIO.

Chip Weller.

>Hi all
>
>Can someone explain why the following code does not change GP4 and GP5
in
>the MPLAB SIM?
>I think I may be losing my mind.
>
>        list      p=12c671            ; list directive to define
processor
>        #include <p12c671.inc>        ; processor specific variable
definitions
>
>        __CONFIG   _CP_OFF & _WDT_ON & _PWRTE_ON & _INTRC_OSC_NOCLKOUT
& _MCLRE_OFF
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1998\08\29@132156 by Mscaff

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1998\09\07@185917 by Dale Gomes

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Does anyone have any data on driving inkjet print heads or know
of any good sites for such data. I need hardware and sw techniques.

thanks in advance,

Dale Gomes
Invetech Operations,
Ph/Voice mail:  (03) 9265-8936          Fax: (03) 9265 8881
email:  EraseMEzdegspam_OUTspaminvetech.com.au

1998\09\08@163844 by Mark Phillips

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1998\09\17@094626 by Clewer,Brian

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Nicholas wrote:

>>Hi all,
>>
>>I need to use even parity, 1 stop bit with 7 data bits.  I can quite
>>easily transmit 8 data bits and no parity but my question is "what
would
{Quote hidden}

Nicholas,
I couldn't get this to work.  Will it work on a 16C74?  What does the
line xorf temp,W mean...   do you mean xorwf temp,W?  If you did, I still
can't see it working.

Thanks,
Brian.

1998\09\23@011925 by debile filip

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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Dear PICs users,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I'am a biginning to study for PICs, and I have
a&nbsp; limited budget&nbsp; to purchase neccessary development's </FONT><FONT
color=#000000 size=2>tool for PIC, and I think first I need a Programmer. Can
you tell me which is the suitable( cheap and useful ) programmer that I may
purchase ? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Looking forward to hearing your further advice and
information.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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1998\09\25@052424 by Rivoir Robert

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Take a look at David Tait's site.
http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbhstdj/piclinks.html
<http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbhstdj/piclinks.html> .  It has a PIC 16x84
programmer simple to construct. It work very well and it can serve as proto
board for small developments.

The MPLAB windows software tool is free from http://www.microchip.com
<http://www.microchip.com>

Regards
Robert Rivoir

       {Original Message removed}

1998\09\28@231527 by Mitchell D. Miller

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Has the L293 Push-Pull Four Channel Driver been replaced by a newer product?  The closest thing I can find is the LM18293, but their datasheet shows it as an obsolete product.  Unfortunately, it doesn't give a replacement!!

Thanks,
Mitch

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1998\09\29@060112 by g.daniel.invent.design

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Mitchell D. Miller wrote:
>
> Has the L293 Push-Pull Four Channel Driver been replaced by a newer product?
The closest thing I can find is the LM18293, but their datasheet shows it as an
obsolete product.  Unfortunately, it doesn't give a replacement!!
>
> Thanks,
> Mitch
>
> ------------------------------------
> Mitch Miller, Roseville, CA
> TakeThisOuTmitchmKILLspamspamns.net
> ------------------------------------

Mitchell,
I would like to see a low voltage integrated MOSFET replacement for the
L293, it's standby current is shockingly high.  Check around for variant
of the chip if you haven't already ie '293D has internal diode
protection.
regards,
Graham Daniel
Electronic Product Enhancements.

1998\09\29@133327 by Martin Green

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    I Said:

"Sorry, but this is not true. A prime example is boxer George Foreman, All
five of his sons are called George, and all live at the same address."

    I forgot to add that the main problem with using address as part of a
    unique identifier for a person is that it is not, in fact, unique!

    How many of us have lived at the same address our whole lives? Which
    one are you, the George Foreman that lives at 123 Boxing Lane, or the
    one that lives at 456 Muhammed Ali Blvd.? Oh, you are both the same
    person, well I've got you in the system here twice.

    Numbers are used to uniquely identify an individual because there
    simply is no real world adjective that is absolutely unique. I predict
    that at some time in the future all babies will be tagged at birth
    with their own "ID Code". I'm not happy about the prospect, but I
    believe it will happen.


    CIAO - Martin.

1998\09\29@172737 by Dennis Merrill

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Yes, and they are called Social Security Numbers.... or tax ID numbers.
These numbers are at least unique in the U.S.

At 01:31 PM 9/29/98 -0400, you wrote:

>     Numbers are used to uniquely identify an individual because there
>     simply is no real world adjective that is absolutely unique. I predict
>     that at some time in the future all babies will be tagged at birth
>     with their own "ID Code". I'm not happy about the prospect, but I
>     believe it will happen.

1998\09\30@001422 by William Chops Westfield

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   > I predict
   > that at some time in the future all babies will be tagged at birth
   > with their own "ID Code". I'm not happy about the prospect, but I
   > believe it will happen.

   Yes, and they are called Social Security Numbers.... or tax ID numbers.
   These numbers are at least unique in the U.S.

Yes, but they lack internal error checking, making them poorly suited
to the job :-(

BillW

1998\09\30@064326 by Caisson

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> Van: Dennis Merrill <spammerrill.....spam@spam@NICMAD.NICOLET.COM>
> Aan: spam_OUTPICLISTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Onderwerp:
> Datum: dinsdag 29 september 1998 23:26
>
> Yes, and they are called Social Security Numbers.... or tax ID numbers.
> These numbers are at least unique in the U.S.

It looks funny when someone goes to the counter to get his social-security
money, gives his Social Security Number (NOT your name, I can't do anything
with your NAME !) and the person on the other side say's "Youre dead, My
computer say's so".  But this will be and _is_ what we are confronted with
: A system that is believed to _be_ the real world, not _representing_ it.

Greetz,
 Rudy Wieser

1998\09\30@110650 by Mark Willis

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Caisson wrote:
>
> > Van: Dennis Merrill <EraseMEmerrillspamBeGonespamNICMAD.NICOLET.COM>
> > Aan: EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> > Onderwerp:
> > Datum: dinsdag 29 september 1998 23:26
> >
> > Yes, and they are called Social Security Numbers.... or tax ID numbers.
> > These numbers are at least unique in the U.S.
>
> It looks funny when someone goes to the counter to get his social-security
> money, gives his Social Security Number (NOT your name, I can't do anything
> with your NAME !) and the person on the other side say's "Youre dead, My
> computer say's so".  But this will be and _is_ what we are confronted with
> : A system that is believed to _be_ the real world, not _representing_ it.
>
> Greetz,
>   Rudy Wieser

 One friend suggests transposing a couple digits every time you're
asked for your SSN & you feel it's none of their business.

 He says that he has only been queried once as to whether he gave the
right number, and he then knew to ask them what they were doing with the
number?

 And, after all, we're all forgetful engineers, likely to make mistakes
like that <G>  My friend with seriously bad dyslexia laughed at me when
I told him this one day (he almost fell off the car seat...)

 Mark

1998\09\30@121715 by Andy Kunz

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At 04:26 PM 9/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes, and they are called Social Security Numbers.... or tax ID numbers.
>These numbers are at least unique in the U.S.

WRONG!  Not even close.  The name and address are used IN ADDITION TO the
SSN to uniquely identify you (SSN is still primary key).  This is because
the SSN is a calculated number, derived from your place of birth and
parental SSNs, plus other criteria.

Andy


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1998\09\30@141004 by Roger Morella

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WANTED:  8748 or 8749 (OTP or Windowed EPROM)  microprocessors.

We are currently looking for 8748 and 8749 processors.  Please
check your back room, stock room, attics and garages and let me know if
you have any and how much you would like for them.  Also, any ideas
where I can look for them, or where else I can post this message would
be greatly appreciated.

Please respond direct at rjmspam_OUTspambuffnet.net or call me at 716-874-5848

Thank You

Roger Morella

1998\09\30@154133 by ogerio Odriozola

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Try      http://www.drcomponents.com/stockcheck.html   they have millions
of surplus parts, you could also check    http://www.icsstock.com/    don't
know about pricing in eaghter of them.
Good luck!

Rogerio






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WANTED:  8748 or 8749 (OTP or Windowed EPROM)  microprocessors.
We are currently looking for 8748 and 8749 processors.  Please
check your back room, stock room, attics and garages and let me know if
you have any and how much you would like for them.  Also, any ideas
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be greatly appreciated.
Please respond direct at EraseMErjmspamspambuffnet.net or call me at 716-874-5848
Thank You
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1998\10\01@113113 by mike.mandziuk
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1998\10\03@183924 by Mitchell D. Miller

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Anyone have some recommendations for interfacing TTL level signals to 120VAC mains to power < 200W incadescent light bulbs?  Seems like I have used  a triac before, but that was probably 10 years ago.  Would like to avoid relays and SSRs (too expensive).

Thanks,
Mitch

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1998\10\06@101033 by Roger Morella

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I would like to write a program in Visual Basic that transfers data to
an Excel spreadsheet using DDE.  How do I set up my VB program to create
a DDE server?

Roger

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