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2007\12\20@045937 by cdb

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Yet again they are charging GST on Australian deliveries.

I purchased some DV's from the in October and they didn't add the 10%
on, just purchased their graphics dev boards and lo and behold I've
been stung for an extra U$30.00

I wish I knew who to complain to about this!

Colin
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2007\12\20@053926 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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What is GST ?

cdb wrote:
>  Yet again they are charging GST on Australian deliveries.
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> I purchased some DV's from the in October and they didn't add the 10%
> on, just purchased their graphics dev boards and lo and behold I've
> been stung for an extra U$30.00
>
> I wish I knew who to complain to about this!
>
> Colin
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2007\12\20@055302 by Tamas Rudnai

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General Sales Tax

On Dec 20, 2007 10:39 AM, Jan-Erik Soderholm <spam_OUTjan-erik.soderholmTakeThisOuTspamtelia.com>
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2007\12\20@060037 by Jinx

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> What is GST ?

Goods And Services Tax (or Grab, Snatch and Take). Like UK
VAT and various other Sales taxes. In NZ it's 12.5% on just
about everything, Australia have it a little easier

A simple example -

If you are the end user, you could reclaim it. For example, I'll pay
12.5% GST on a PIC, components, PCB etc. If I use it without
re-selling it, eg in a personal project or R&D prototype, I can
claim that 12.5% back as a rebate. If I sell the product, I have to
include the 12.5%, and the person who buys it off me has to
claim (if they're eligible and registered to claim)

GST is not added to exports from NZ, it is to imports into NZ

2007\12\20@062715 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 04:59 AM 12/20/2007, you wrote:
>  Yet again they are charging GST on Australian deliveries.
>
>I purchased some DV's from the in October and they didn't add the 10%
>on, just purchased their graphics dev boards and lo and behold I've
>been stung for an extra U$30.00
>
>I wish I knew who to complain to about this!

Dunno about Oz, but I'm pleased as punch they collect Canadian GST...
it means the
product comes right through without any extra taxes or broker fees
being collected on
receipt (and, of course, as a business, the GST gets refunded or
credited anyway).

>Best regards,

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2007\12\20@063712 by cdb

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I was so incoherent with rage, my typing reflected it!

Purchasing something from a US or other foreign country, the GST if
applicable is charged by Customs on arrival in Australia. Non
businesses can bring in upto AU$1K worth of goods before the GST kicks
in. Businesses if registered for GST can claim it back.

Therefore, Microchip shouldn't be charging 10% GST on goods purchased
destined for Australia, especially as they are charging in US$ and are
not registered for GST (The US based company isn't, the Australian
office will be).

Not only is it down to Customs, or the Courier on behalf of Customs to
invoice for the GST and any duties applicable, Microchip are acting
illegally (from Australian law) as they are charging GST and not
providing an ABN (Australian business number) for the tax invoice.

I've emailed the Microchip office here in Australia, but the last time
I did that, they ignored my complaint and tried to sell me a whole
load of stock.

Colin

:::: What is GST ?


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2007\12\20@064048 by cdb

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The problem here is, that I can't claim an input credit, as Microchip
US don't have a registered ABN with the tax office. As it is a local
tax, it can only be charged by Customs or the transport company on
their behalf - and even then it is done here not there.  

Colin

:: Dunno about Oz, but I'm pleased as punch they collect Canadian
:: GST...
:: it means the
:: product comes right through without any extra taxes or broker fees
:: being collected on
:: receipt (and, of course, as a business, the GST gets refunded or
:: credited anyway).
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2007\12\20@064402 by Rikard Bosnjakovic

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On 20/12/2007, Jan-Erik Soderholm <.....jan-erik.soderholmKILLspamspam.....telia.com> wrote:

> What is GST ?

"moms".


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2007\12\20@073733 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Dec 20, 2007 5:59 PM, cdb <EraseMEcolinspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTbtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
>  Yet again they are charging GST on Australian deliveries.
>

They charge GST for Singapore deliveries (7% now) as well. So I think that is
normal. I believe they will charge VAT in Europe.

The general trend of GST is up and up. It used to be 3% here, then 5% and
this year they raise it to 7%.

2007\12\20@083638 by Marcos Fabricio Bezerra

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Here, in Brasil, you have to pay a 60% Federal Tax over imported goods over
US $50 (and on any product don't marked as gift), and 17% plus on my state,
and without any possibility of claim for refund.
It's hard to live here.



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2007\12\20@092011 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2007 5:59 PM, cdb <colinspamspam_OUTbtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>  Yet again they are charging GST on Australian deliveries.
>>
>
> They charge GST for Singapore deliveries (7% now) as well. So I think that is
> normal. I believe they will charge VAT in Europe.
>
> The general trend of GST is up and up. It used to be 3% here, then 5% and
> this year they raise it to 7%.


OK, got it. Same as the Swedish MOMS, 25 % currently.
Microchip adds that on my orders also, but I've no problems
to deduct in in my monthly "MOMS-declaration".

Check with your local Tax Office (whatever it's called
down there).

Jan-Erik.

2007\12\20@094227 by Apptech

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>> What is GST ?

> "moms".

No.

Goods and Services Tax.
VAT like.

Tax charged as a percentage of sale price of nonexempt
goods.

Aim is to spread the tax base by creating a nearly
unavoidable tax that applies to almost everything.

Works easiest when at a single rate and with a minimum of
exemptions. NZ has (somewhat surprisingly) got it reasonably
right. 12.5%. Financial transactions exempt. Almost
everything else included.






       Russell


2007\12\20@094347 by Eoin Ross

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Sounds like you need to talk/complain to your IRD office.

>>> @spam@colinKILLspamspambtech-online.co.uk 20 Dec 07 06:36:32 >>>
I was so incoherent with rage, my typing reflected it!

Purchasing something from a US or other foreign country, the GST if
applicable is charged by Customs on arrival in Australia. Non
businesses can bring in upto AU$1K worth of goods before the GST kicks
in. Businesses if registered for GST can claim it back.

Therefore, Microchip shouldn't be charging 10% GST on goods purchased
destined for Australia, especially as they are charging in US$ and are
not registered for GST (The US based company isn't, the Australian
office will be).

Not only is it down to Customs, or the Courier on behalf of Customs to
invoice for the GST and any duties applicable, Microchip are acting
illegally (from Australian law) as they are charging GST and not
providing an ABN (Australian business number) for the tax invoice.

I've emailed the Microchip office here in Australia, but the last time
I did that, they ignored my complaint and tried to sell me a whole
load of stock.

Colin

:::: What is GST ?


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2007\12\20@095513 by Rikard Bosnjakovic

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On 20/12/2007, Apptech <KILLspamapptechKILLspamspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> What is GST ?
> > "moms".
> No.
>
> Goods and Services Tax.
> VAT like.

Yes, that's called "moms" here in Sweden.


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2007\12\20@102659 by wouter van ooijen

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> Therefore, Microchip shouldn't be charging 10% GST on goods purchased
> destined for Australia, especially as they are charging in
> US$ and are
> not registered for GST (The US based company isn't, the Australian
> office will be).

When I buy from Microchip Direct I get a chance to enter my VAT number.
The invoice I get is 'originated' in Ireland, inside the EC, but not in
my country. When they ship to a buisiness with a VAT number they should
not charge VAT. And they comply to that, so everything is by the book as
far as I am concerned. I recall that in the past I sometimes got an
invoice originated in my country, with VAT, which is also correct.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2007\12\20@120821 by Bob Blick

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I think the Internet (and perceived sales) has caused a lot of tax
agencies to push harder. In the U.S., Digi-Key has been charging
California sales tax, although they are a Minnesota business.

-Bob

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2007\12\20@130138 by Steve Baldwin

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This is already in the archives.

It's not Microchip charging you, it's Fedex doing the customs entry and
paying the GST on your behalf.
Microchip use a Fedex option called DDP (Deliver Duties Paid) so they
determine what the duties will be at checkout and then Fedex does the
paperwork for you.
That way they can be sure it gets delivered, rather than having to get you to
do a customs entry.

It's a good idea for low volume sales as the value can be over the threshold,
but the customers aren't likely to have a customs broker, etc. It's just a pity
that nobody else does it and it's not pointed out clearly on the website.

Steve.


On 20 Dec 2007 at 21:36, cdb wrote:

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2007\12\20@154758 by Brent Brown

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On 20 Dec 2007 at 23:59, Jinx wrote:
> > What is GST ?
>
> Goods And Services Tax (or Grab, Snatch and Take). Like UK
> VAT and various other Sales taxes. In NZ it's 12.5% on just
> about everything, Australia have it a little easier
>
> A simple example -
>
> If you are the end user, you could reclaim it. For example, I'll pay
> 12.5% GST on a PIC, components, PCB etc. If I use it without
> re-selling it, eg in a personal project or R&D prototype, I can
> claim that 12.5% back as a rebate. If I sell the product, I have to
> include the 12.5%, and the person who buys it off me has to
> claim (if they're eligible and registered to claim)
>
> GST is not added to exports from NZ, it is to imports into NZ

You probably already know this, but... When importing NZ Customs only worry
about making you pay GST if the amount collectable is more than NZ$50 (ie. item
cost > NZ$400), under that they deem it not worth the effort (fair enough). They (the
government) still don't loose out though, as when you re-sell the parts in the product
you make out of them you add GST to the selling price and so collect the GST for
them then.

Like Steve says, Fedex will do the paperwork and pay GST and/or other duties on
your behalf which makes things a whole lot easier and faster. I import PCB's from
China using TNT, and they also do this... the goods arrive, I get an invoice for
freight, then after that (depending on the value of the goods imported) I get another
invoice for customs GST and brokerage agent fee, all payable to TNT.

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2007\12\20@173226 by Apptech

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> It's not Microchip charging you, it's Fedex doing the
> customs entry and
> paying the GST on your behalf.
> Microchip use a Fedex option called DDP (Deliver Duties
> Paid) so they
> determine what the duties will be at checkout and then
> Fedex does the
> paperwork for you.
> That way they can be sure it gets delivered, rather than
> having to get you to
> do a customs entry.
>
> It's a good idea for low volume sales as the value can be
> over the threshold,
> but the customers aren't likely to have a customs broker,
> etc. It's just a pity
> that nobody else does it and it's not pointed out clearly
> on the website.

A key point here then is that

>> Not only is it down to Customs, or the Courier on behalf
>> of Customs to
>> invoice for the GST and any duties applicable, Microchip
>> are acting
>> illegally (from Australian law) as they are charging GST
>> and not
>> providing an ABN (Australian business number) for the tax
>> invoice.


They are therefore able to provide a proper GST invoice and
can do so so that Colin can reclaim the GST.


       Russell

2007\12\26@053454 by cdb

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I've just received an email from Microchip admitting the GST has been
charged in error, due to a website malfunction (wardrobe malfunctions
are more fun - can't be pic'cy though).

Just waiting for the refund now!

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