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2009\10\21@150645 by Mark Rages

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An excellent, entertaining review of the PICkit 3.  Video, contains
strong language!

http://www.eevblog.com/2009/10/21/eevblog-39-pickit-3-programmerdebugger-review

It would probably be a worthwhile project to port the PICkit 2
firmware to the PICkit 3.  I'm not aware of anyone working on this,
but I'll try it if I get a 3.

Regards,
Mark
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Mark Rages, Engineer
Midwest Telecine LLC
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2009\10\21@163709 by Steve Smith

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Well I wont get a 3 then...! I found a pickit serial and I'm sure there's a
'2' here somewhere...been spoilt have an MPlab 3...

Steve

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2009\10\21@165234 by solarwind

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Mark Rages <.....markragesKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:
> An excellent, entertaining review of the PICkit 3.  Video, contains
> strong language!
>
> http://www.eevblog.com/2009/10/21/eevblog-39-pickit-3-programmerdebugger-review
>
> It would probably be a worthwhile project to port the PICkit 2
> firmware to the PICkit 3.  I'm not aware of anyone working on this,
> but I'll try it if I get a 3.

I wouldn't consider that strong language, but the review was indeed
very good. I'm sure we can port the old firmware to PICKIT3 or even
write our own. Or I bet you could still buy PICKIT2 knockoffs on ebay
and add device support for them. Even better, there are schematics to
build your own PICKIT2. I bet for you guys, adding device support
shouldn't be a problem.

And I agree with the guy. I totally love my PICKIT2. The logic
analyzer and the built in UART terminal is indispensable.

2009\10\21@171714 by Funny NYPD

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Thanks for the video link. That's basically a summary of most of PK3 users' experience.
Overall, the PK3 is kind of a hybrid of PK2 and ICD2 on hardware level, which is a good thing to have.

The major cons on PK3 are:
1.  A 3.3V MCU was picked, which makes it hard to interface with all 5V PICs. Please keep in mind, this is a programmer, any PIC can be connected. The 3.3V limit put the hardware designer spending more on the logic shift circuits, which makes the device cost more and got more potential to fail from system point of view.

2. For the moment, the PK3 picked the ICD2 approach on software development, which was a good choice at all. But it can be fixed and change to the way PK2 introduced, but it takes long time.

The rumor  may be true about PK2 got really small team on both software and hardware design as the video descriped, but the fact is, sometime, smaller team might work more efficiently on communication, brain storm/open mind to different approaches, adopting features from forum wish lists, etc. The PK2 V2.61 GUI releases got our contribution on boosting Programmer-to-GO capability from "256K bytes max" to "4M bytes max". It is just a simple example, how PK2 can be improved from different resources/contributions, even from outside of Microchip.

I hope both PK2 and 3 will go well. Maybe there is a PK4 on the way if PK3 doesn't go so well.


Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, http://www.AuElectronics.com
http://www.AuElectronics.com/products
http://augroups.blogspot.com/




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From: Mark Rages <markragesspamKILLspamgmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 3:06:29 PM
Subject: [PIC] eevblog reviews the PICkit 3

An excellent, entertaining review of the PICkit 3.  Video, contains
strong language!

http://www.eevblog.com/2009/10/21/eevblog-39-pickit-3-programmerdebugger-review

It would probably be a worthwhile project to port the PICkit 2
firmware to the PICkit 3.  I'm not aware of anyone working on this,
but I'll try it if I get a 3.

Regards,
Mark
markrages@gmail
--
Mark Rages, Engineer
Midwest Telecine LLC
markragesspamspam_OUTmidwesttelecine.com

2009\10\21@171928 by cdb

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I'm not impressed with this bloke.

1. He can't decide whether to have an English or Australian accent.

2. Far to sensationalist.

3. Insists on shouting at me and emphasising points as though I'm an
idiot.

He may have some valid points, but he is on ignore as far as I'm
concerned.

Colin
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2009\10\21@181229 by Funny NYPD

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"And the outsourcing company in Ebonia might have told the MBA guys that this is the way one does software these days. Because the outsourcing company subcontracted the software piecemeal to five student “HTML programmers” and a flying pig."

Some comments as the one quoted from the same link seem really angry for what they got on PK3.

PK2 indeed is a low cost product but performs well.  It is easy to use, no heavy crashes. Basically a tool you can count on it, no daily firmware downloading, no free replacement, etc.

PK2 did get a few bugs on both hardware and software, but the team got it fixed very quickly. Some of the bug are related to the PIC silicon (configuration bits on POR, BOR, lossing configuration bits, crashing on Flashing memories, etc.), and it got fixed by software. A few other limits does need hardware fixes, the info (parts, component location on PCB, step by step approaches, etc.) are all published on the support forum and the documents are easy to follow.

We have three different edition of enhanced PK2 products, the BB0703, BB0703+128K, BB0703+256K.

We implemented full PK2 schematic (hot fixes too.), plus our own experience on PIC programmers. RJ12 connectors are used for longer term durability/wearing compensation, and error-proof. An external power supply is included, which is a nice feature for programmer-to-go. USB Buck/Boost circuits are included on both "BB0703+" products. 256K I2C EEPROM are included in BB0703+256K. We also provides different sets ofDIY components kits for students and fans who like to build their own programmer.

One other improvement we contributed is: boosting the PK2 programmer-to-go max. capability from 256K bytes to 4M bytes. The source code had been submitted to PK2 team on March-2009, and the C# code has been integrated into V2.61 releases before Walter left Microchip. Since then, we haven't heard anything yet on firmware updates or plans on the next release.


Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, http://www.AuElectronics.com
http://www.AuElectronics.com/products
http://augroups.blogspot.com/




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Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 5:16:47 PM
Subject: Re: [PIC] eevblog reviews the PICkit 3


Thanks for the video link. That's basically a summary of most of PK3 users' experience.
Overall, the PK3 is kind of a hybrid of PK2 and ICD2 on hardware level, which is a good thing to have.

The major cons on PK3 are:
1.  A 3.3V MCU was picked, which makes it hard to interface with all 5V PICs. Please keep in mind, this is a programmer, any PIC can be connected. The 3.3V limit put the hardware designer spending more on the logic shift circuits, which makes the device cost more and got more potential to fail from system point of view.

2. For the moment, the PK3 picked the ICD2 approach on software development, which was a good choice at all. But it can be fixed and change to the way PK2 introduced, but it takes long time.

The rumor  may be true about PK2 got really small team  on both software and hardware design as the video descriped, but the fact is, sometime, smaller team might work more efficiently on communication, brain storm/open mind to different approaches, adopting features from forum wish lists, etc. The PK2 V2.61 GUI releases got our contribution on boosting Programmer-to-GO capability from "256K bytes max" to "4M bytes max". It is just a simple example, how PK2 can be improved from different resources/contributions, even from outside of Microchip.

I hope both PK2 and 3 will go well. Maybe there is a PK4 on the way if PK3 doesn't go so well.


Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, http://www.AuElectronics.com
http://www.AuElectronics.com/products
http://augroups.blogspot.com/




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From: Mark Rages <spamBeGonemarkragesspamBeGonespamgmail.com>
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <TakeThisOuTpiclistEraseMEspamspam_OUTmit.edu>; RemoveMEpickit-develspamTakeThisOuTgooglegroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 3:06:29 PM
Subject: [PIC] eevblog reviews the PICkit 3

An excellent, entertaining review of the PICkit 3.  Video, contains
strong language!

http://www.eevblog.com/2009/10/21/eevblog-39-pickit-3-programmerdebugger-review

It would probably be a worthwhile project to port the PICkit 2
firmware to the PICkit 3.  I'm not aware of anyone working on this,
but I'll try it if I get a 3.

Regards,
Mark
markrages@gmail
--
Mark Rages, Engineer
Midwest TelecineLLC
markragesEraseMEspam.....midwesttelecine.com

2009\10\21@190525 by Tamas Rudnai

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:19 PM, cdb <EraseMEcolinspambtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
> 1. He can't decide whether to have an English or Australian accent.

Maybe he just emigrated from London to Sidney a while ago :-)

Anyway, I like that video blog, especially the management design rant
:-) I agree with him that they should not drop the things that was
just work before. PICkit3 should just contain a DC-DC converter on the
Vusb and maybe bigger eeproms that also could contain the device
scripts but to redesign it and actually make it less useful if a bit
weird approach.

Anyway, I am happy with PICkit2 and if they discontinue it then
probably I will use a clone till they get a better device or change
the fw of PICkit3 to have similar device to the predecessor.

Tamas



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