Post by thread:[PIC] discounted PICKIT2 programmers

Good day to all. I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers. Came across these "PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer PG164120" Item number: 7568918192 <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7568918192&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/7568918192_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfbdZ1QQfclZ3QQflocZ1QQfposZT5SQ201K8QQfromZR6QQfrppZ200QQfsclZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfssZ0QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsacqyopZgeQQsacurZ0QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ0QQsaslopZ1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1> But It Now is $25.00 with a button to submit your best offer. Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48) so I can't take advantage of this. But I figured I'd mention it on the list for those US piclisters who can. As usual - no affiliation with the seller. I'm not even sure that I wanted to promote his items in view of his unwillingness to sell to Canadians - but what the heck: some of my US piclist friends might be able to take advantage of this. dwayne -- Dwayne Reid <spam_OUTdwaynerTakeThisOuTplanet.eon.net> Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax Celebrating 21 years of Engineering Innovation (1984 - 2005) .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .- `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' Do NOT send unsolicited commercial email to this email address. This message neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email.

Dwayne, On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:23:14 -0700, Dwayne Reid wrote: > Good day to all. > > I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers. Came > across these "PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer PG164120" Item > number: 7568918192 >... > But It Now is $25.00 with a button to submit your best offer. The thing to watch out for is that it's the PG164120, not DV164120 (confusing numbering scheme, or what? :-) which means it's just the PICkit2, without the demo-board, which makes it very much less useful. I'm not sure what the US price of this is, but it doesn't look like a terribly good bargain to me. > Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48) > so I can't take advantage of this. But I figured I'd mention it on > the list for those US piclisters who can. This happens a lot, believe me! I have friends in the USA and sometimes when this happens I ask the seller if they will send to a US address even though I'm not there - about a third of them won't, which rather suggests that they don't trust anyone from outside the US... Cheers, Howard Winter St.Albans, England

I haven't paid much attention to the PICKIT2, but from the doc's it appears to have a 6 pin connector. So is this just a programmer or does it act like an ICD? I've got one of my ICD2's lent to a client so he can dump to the target board when I send code....be cheaper and easier if he had this I guess...or at least I could have my ICD2 back. Dwayne Reid <.....dwaynerKILLspam@spam@planet.eon.net> wrote: Good day to all. I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers. Came across these "PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer PG164120" Item number: 7568918192 But It Now is $25.00 with a button to submit your best offer. Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48) so I can't take advantage of this. But I figured I'd mention it on the list for those US piclisters who can. As usual - no affiliation with the seller. I'm not even sure that I wanted to promote his items in view of his unwillingness to sell to Canadians - but what the heck: some of my US piclist friends might be able to take advantage of this. dwayne -- Dwayne Reid Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax Celebrating 21 years of Engineering Innovation (1984 - 2005) .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .- `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' Do NOT send unsolicited commercial email to this email address. This message neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email.

I recently bought one of these (from the same seller) but have yet to get it work, but being a newb, its probably my own fault. I've built a few circuits on some pcboard, but haven't had any success programming a bunch of different controllers (the pickit software either says unsupported device or no device inserted). Does anyone have a schematic for a simple circuit i can use to program a device from the icsp header from the pickit? the circuits i built followed the Low Pin Count demo board schematic to no avail. So given all that, I'm not sure if its the PK2 or my boards thats the problem! Jon. Dwayne Reid wrote: {Quote hidden}>Good day to all. > >I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers. Came >across these "PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer PG164120" Item >number: 7568918192 > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7568918192&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/7568918192_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfbdZ1QQfclZ3QQflocZ1QQfposZT5SQ201K8QQfromZR6QQfrppZ200QQfsclZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfssZ0QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsacqyopZgeQQsacurZ0QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ0QQsaslopZ1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1> > >But It Now is $25.00 with a button to submit your best offer. > >Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48) >so I can't take advantage of this. But I figured I'd mention it on >the list for those US piclisters who can. > >As usual - no affiliation with the seller. I'm not even sure that I >wanted to promote his items in view of his unwillingness to sell to >Canadians - but what the heck: some of my US piclist friends might >be able to take advantage of this. > >dwayne > > >

A few weeks ago I purchased a PicKit II because I'm planning to use it teach a course in Embedded Programming this Spring. I bought the version that does not have the project board (just the programmer) because I want my students to have some experience actually working with hardware rather than writing code for circuits that have already been built (they are CS majors, not EE's). I've used the PicKit 1 in the past for this course, but the PicKit 2 is a lot better. It supports a much wider range of chips (even the 16F628A, and some 18 series!). The interface is quite simple... you only need 5 pins, not 6, and they hook up in the usual way (MCLR, Data, Clock, GND, and V+). I connect it to a breadboard by using a 5 pin right angle header... it plugs right in. Like the ICD-2, the programmer can power the circuit, so you don't have to have a separate power supply for your project. At $35 it makes a pretty decent starter programmer. There are two drawbacks: 1. It does not have ICD functionality. For my own work I'll stick to the ICD-2. 2. Currently it is not supported directly in MPLAB. You have to run a separate application in a separate window. This was the way that PicKit 1 started out until they built support for it in MPLAB. I suspect that they'll do this with PicKit 2 in a future version of MPLAB. As it is, this is not as big a problem as it might seem because when you program a chip, it first looks to see if the .HEX file has been loaded and then reloads it automatically if it's been changed. On the whole, it's well worth the money, unless you are willing to spring for the ICD-2. John Hansen Jon Philpott wrote: >I recently bought one of these (from the same seller) but have yet to >get it work, but being a newb, its probably my own fault. >

Alan, On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:32:09 -0800 (PST), alan smith wrote: > I haven't paid much attention to the PICKIT2, but from the doc's it appears to have a 6 pin connector. So is this just a programmer or does it act like an ICD? I've got one of my ICD2's lent to a client so he can dump to the target board when I send code....be cheaper and easier if he had this I guess...or at least I could have my ICD2 back. At the moment it's just an ICSProgrammer, and you have to use the specific software for it - you won't find it in MPLAB... yet! This happened with the PICkit-1 as well, originally it wasn't in MPLAB but it was added later, and Microchip have said that the -2 will be added before long too. I suspect that even then it will remain just a programmer, though. The chips it works with are all the new generation 8/14/20 pin types, like the 683, 684, 688 and 690 (the latter being a 20-pin device, handy for those projects where 18 is just too few and there isn't room for 28). Although just a programmer it can supply the target with power, and using the "demo" board that optionally comes with it makes the pair a nice compact "program and test" setup, with the PICkit-2 powering the demo board, with just the USB cable connected. An aside... At one end of the case there's a loop moulded in the plastic, and apparently the more geeky Microchip employees walk round with a PICkit-2 hanging from a neckstrap. So far a practical reason for doing this eludes me! :-) Cheers, Howard Winter St.Albans, England

On 1/13/06, Jon Philpott <.....jon.philpottKILLspam.....gmail.com> wrote: > I recently bought one of these (from the same seller) but have yet to > get it work, but being a newb, its probably my own fault. I've built > a few circuits on some pcboard, but haven't had any success > programming a bunch of different controllers (the pickit software > either says unsupported device or no device inserted). Does anyone > have a schematic for a simple circuit i can use to program a device from > the icsp header from the pickit? the circuits i built followed the Low Pin > Count demo board schematic to no avail. So given all that, I'm not sure > if its the PK2 or my boards thats the problem! > > Jon. > I just use a solderless bradboard with five wires connecting to the PICkit 2. Works fine for programming. Once you start to build a circuit around it you'll want to add some bypass caps. The PICkit 2 is interesting in that the firmware and programming software is open-source. And the included hardware is a capable of a lot more beyond a simple programmer. I invite anyone who's interested in PICkit development to subscribe to http://groups.google.com/group/pickit-devel. Regards, Mark markrages@gmail -- You think that it is a secret, but it never has been one. - fortune cookie

On 1/13/06, William Couture <EraseMEbcouturespam_OUTTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote: > On 1/13/06, Howard Winter <HDRWspam_OUTh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > At one end of the case there's a loop moulded in the plastic, and apparently the more geeky Microchip > > employees walk round with a PICkit-2 hanging from a neckstrap. So far a practical reason for doing this > > eludes me! :-) > > Geek Bling-Bling > > Bill > I believe someone over there had ported the programming software to a PDA... because you never know when there will be a call for PIC programming! Note, the PICkit 2 has a switch and enough eeprom inside to act as a standalone programmer, but AFAIK the firmware to do standalone programming hasn't been developed yet. Regards, Mark markrages@gmail -- You think that it is a secret, but it never has been one. - fortune cookie

Howard Winter wrote: > At one end of the case there's a loop moulded in the plastic, and > apparently the more geeky Microchip employees walk round with a > PICkit-2 hanging from a neckstrap. So far a practical reason for doing > this eludes me! :-) Probably because hanging it elsewhere gets in the way more. ****************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, (978) 742-9014. #1 PIC consultant in 2004 program year. http://www.embedinc.com/products

In message <@spam@200601131800.k0DI0gqx006206KILLspamfort-point-station.mit.edu>> "Howard Winter" <KILLspamHDRWKILLspamH2Org.demon.co.uk> wrote: > At one end of the case there's a loop moulded in the plastic, and apparently the more geeky Microchip > employees walk round with a PICkit-2 hanging from a neckstrap. So far a practical reason for doing this > eludes me! :-) Same reason I have my Crucial Gizmo USB pendrive and a Dallas DS1490F "2-in-1 iButton USB keyfob" hanging from neckstraps I imagine. "Geek bling-bling, yo?" That and it saves having to nip back to your desk to grab a programmer when someone (inevitably) asks to borrow one... -- Phil. | Acorn RiscPC600 SA220 64MB+6GB 100baseT RemoveMEphilpemTakeThisOuTdsl.pipex.com | Athlon64 3200+ A8VDeluxe R2 512MB+100GB http://www.philpem.me.uk/ | Panasonic CF-25 Mk.2 Toughbook ... "Virtual" means never knowing where your next byte is coming from.

On 1/13/06, Jon Philpott <spamBeGonejon.philpottspamBeGonegmail.com> wrote: > > > Are the 5 wires wired directly to pic? yes > with no other components? yes. But keep the wires short (a few inches) so you don't need bypass capacitors. > Since im a newb, could you tell me which pins from the PK2 are connected to > which pins on an 18pin pic? > No, but if you tell us which pins you've hooked up, we'll let you know where you went wrong. Regards, Mark markrages@gmail -- You think that it is a secret, but it never has been one. - fortune cookie

Mark Rages wrote: >>Since im a newb, could you tell me which pins from the PK2 are connected to >>which pins on an 18pin pic? >> >> >> > >No, but if you tell us which pins you've hooked up, we'll let you know >where you went wrong. > > Ok, I just tried building another board with the following wiring: ICSP - PIC16F84A 1 - 4 2 - 14 3 - 5 4 - 13 5 - 12 6 - NC Still no success, PK2 says Unsupported Device with User ID: 0x7F7F7F7F and CheckSum 0x419A. If i try it with a 16F628A it says device not present, same with a 18F1320. Jon.

Dwayne wrote regarding '[PIC] discounted PICKIT2 programmers' on Fri, Jan 13 at 10:26: > Good day to all. > > I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers. Came FYI (and a bit off-topic), all you need from that URL is cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7568918192 the rest is just session tracking junk. It's not a huge deal, but some mail programs break up long URLs, making them a pain to paste / click on. I'm a big fan of taking a few seconds to try to figure out if I can shorten a URL up without having to resort to tinyurl.com... :) --Danny

On 1/13/06, Jon Philpott <TakeThisOuTjon.philpottEraseMEspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> Mark Rages wrote: > > >>Since im a newb, could you tell me which pins from the PK2 are connected to > >>which pins on an 18pin pic? > >> > >> > >> > > > >No, but if you tell us which pins you've hooked up, we'll let you know > >where you went wrong. > > > > > Ok, I just tried building another board with the following wiring: > > ICSP - PIC16F84A > 1 - 4 > 2 - 14 > 3 - 5 > 4 - 13 > 5 - 12 > 6 - NC > > Still no success, PK2 says Unsupported Device with User ID: 0x7F7F7F7F > and CheckSum 0x419A. If i try it with a 16F628A it says device not > present, same with a 18F1320. > > Jon. > Your pin assignments are correct. I assume you're using the Microchip software. The supported devices list doesn't include the 16F84A: http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en023805 and the 16F628A and 18F parts were added in firmware V1.10, which came out last month. So make sure you update firmware to V1.10 and get the latest software from microchip.com. Regards, Mark markrages@gmail -- You think that it is a secret, but it never has been one. - fortune cookie

Pretty bad deal! Ebay: Price 25.00 Shipping $14.51 Total 39.51 As-is, no returns, no warranty buy.microchip.com: Price: 34.99 Shipping: 9.50 Total:44.49 Complete satisfaction that you are buying from microchip direct! Difference: $44.49-$39.51=$4.98 Is it worth it? You do the math :-) On 1/13/06, Dwayne Reid <RemoveMEdwaynerTakeThisOuTplanet.eon.net> wrote: {Quote hidden}> Good day to all. > > I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers. Came > across these "PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer PG164120" Item > number: 7568918192 > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7568918192&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/7568918192_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfbdZ1QQfclZ3QQflocZ1QQfposZT5SQ201K8QQfromZR6QQfrppZ200QQfsclZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfssZ0QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsacqyopZgeQQsacurZ0QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ0QQsaslopZ1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1> > > But It Now is $25.00 with a button to submit your best offer. > > Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48) > so I can't take advantage of this. But I figured I'd mention it on > the list for those US piclisters who can. > > As usual - no affiliation with the seller. I'm not even sure that I > wanted to promote his items in view of his unwillingness to sell to > Canadians - but what the heck: some of my US piclist friends might > be able to take advantage of this. > > dwayne > > -- > Dwayne Reid <dwaynerEraseME.....planet.eon.net> > Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA > (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax > > Celebrating 21 years of Engineering Innovation (1984 - 2005) > .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .- > `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' > Do NOT send unsolicited commercial email to this email address. > This message neither grants consent to receive unsolicited > commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. > > -

Shipping of $14.51 !!!! 8-| ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chetan Bhargava" <EraseMEcbhargavagmail.com> To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <RemoveMEpiclistEraseMEEraseMEmit.edu> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [PIC] discounted PICKIT2 programmers {Quote hidden}> Pretty bad deal! > > Ebay: > Price 25.00 > Shipping $14.51 > Total 39.51 > As-is, no returns, no warranty > > buy.microchip.com: > Price: 34.99 > Shipping: 9.50 > Total:44.49 > Complete satisfaction that you are buying from microchip direct! > > Difference: > $44.49-$39.51=$4.98 > > Is it worth it? You do the math :-) > > > > On 1/13/06, Dwayne Reid <RemoveMEdwaynerspam_OUTKILLspamplanet.eon.net> wrote: > > Good day to all. > > > > I was on eBay looking for a couple of PICKIT 2 programmers. Came > > across these "PICkit 2 Microcontroller Programmer PG164120" Item > > number: 7568918192 > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7568918192&ru=sea rch.ebay.com:80/7568918192_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfbdZ1QQfclZ3QQflocZ1QQfposZT5SQ201 K8QQfromZR6QQfrppZ200QQfsclZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfssZ0QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQnojspr ZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsacqyopZgeQQsacurZ0QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ0Q QsaslopZ1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1> {Quote hidden}> > > > But It Now is $25.00 with a button to submit your best offer. > > > > Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48) > > so I can't take advantage of this. But I figured I'd mention it on > > the list for those US piclisters who can. > > > > As usual - no affiliation with the seller. I'm not even sure that I > > wanted to promote his items in view of his unwillingness to sell to > > Canadians - but what the heck: some of my US piclist friends might > > be able to take advantage of this. > > > > dwayne > > > > -- > > Dwayne Reid <RemoveMEdwaynerTakeThisOuTspamplanet.eon.net> > > Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA > > (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax > > > > Celebrating 21 years of Engineering Innovation (1984 - 2005) > > .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .- > > `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' > > Do NOT send unsolicited commercial email to this email address. > > This message neither grants consent to receive unsolicited > > commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. > > > > --

In message <EraseMEf95b29100601131259u73c67387w604bab500668c715spamspamBeGonemail.gmail.com>> Chetan Bhargava <RemoveMEcbhargavaKILLspamgmail.com> wrote: > buy.microchip.com: > Price: 34.99 > Shipping: 9.50 > Total:44.49 > Complete satisfaction that you are buying from microchip direct! uk.farnell.com: PICkit2 Programmer (order code 984-7170) PG164120 Price: £20.23 VAT: £ 3.54 P&P: £ 0.00 [P&P = Post and Packing = "shipping"] Total: £23.77 That's just for the programmer. If you want the demoboard too... uk.farnell.com: PICkit2 Starter Kit (order code 984-7162) DV164120 Price: £28.90 VAT: £ 5.06 P&P: £ 0.00 Total: £33.96 Not bad for what it is, but not really something I'd use - I've got an ICD2. If someone tweaked the firmware, it would make a nice little field-upgrade pod. That said, a good few repair engineers seem to carry laptops these days, so I guess self contained programmers aren't as important as they once were... -- Phil. | Acorn RiscPC600 SA220 64MB+6GB 100baseT philpemSTOPspamspam_OUTdsl.pipex.com | Athlon64 3200+ A8VDeluxe R2 512MB+100GB http://www.philpem.me.uk/ | Panasonic CF-25 Mk.2 Toughbook ... Goldfish shoals nibbling at my toes... -Red Dwarf-

At 01:59 PM 1/13/2006, Chetan Bhargava wrote: >Pretty bad deal! > >Ebay: >Price 25.00 >Shipping $14.51 >Total 39.51 >As-is, no returns, no warranty I was going to offer them US$20 each for two units, using the "submit best offer" button. I hadn't yet gotten to shipping costs but my preferred shipping method is USPS Global Priority Flat Rate Envelope. A pair of these programmers will fit quite nicely into the small envelope (US$4.00) Had they gone for it, I would have been looking at around US$44 for 2 units, plus 7% GST (national tax) plus Can$5.00 Canada Post handling charge. Based on those numbers - definitely worth it! dwayne -- Dwayne Reid <spamBeGonedwaynerSTOPspamEraseMEplanet.eon.net> Trinity Electronics Systems Ltd Edmonton, AB, CANADA (780) 489-3199 voice (780) 487-6397 fax Celebrating 21 years of Engineering Innovation (1984 - 2005) .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .-. .- `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' `-' Do NOT send unsolicited commercial email to this email address. This message neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email.

Mark Rages wrote: {Quote hidden}>On 1/13/06, Jon Philpott <KILLspamjon.philpottspamBeGonegmail.com> wrote: > > >>Mark Rages wrote: >> >> >> >Your pin assignments are correct. > >I assume you're using the Microchip software. > >The supported devices list doesn't include the 16F84A: > >http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en023805 > >and the 16F628A and 18F parts were added in firmware V1.10, which came >out last month. So make sure you update firmware to V1.10 and get the >latest software from microchip.com. > > > *Embarrased*, upgraded all the software, and now it works.. thanks for pointing out the obvious to someone who couldn't see the wood for all the trees!

Howard, On 1/13/06, Howard Winter <EraseMEHDRWEraseMEh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:23:14 -0700, Dwayne Reid wrote: > > > Seller is quite adamant about selling to US mainland only (lower 48) > > so I can't take advantage of this. But I figured I'd mention it on > > the list for those US piclisters who can. > > This happens a lot, believe me! I have friends in the USA and sometimes > when this happens I ask the seller if they will send to a US address even > though I'm not there - about a third of them won't, which rather suggests > that they don't trust anyone from outside the US... Well, assuming you use Paypal...Paypal has a policy that the seller is only 'protected' if they ship to the (confirmed?) address on the transaction details page. Maybe you could add another address to your paypal account? Aaron

Aaron wrote : > Well, assuming you use Paypal...Paypal has a policy that the > seller is only 'protected' if they ship to the (confirmed?) > address on the transaction details page. Maybe you could > add another address to your paypal account? Hi. I've bought a lot of stuff from the US shipped to Sweden. I usualy have no problem to get stuff shipped here when asking "US-only" sellers. The main points, as far as I've found out are : 1. I explain that I *only* pay using founds on my PayPal acount. Never "CC-founded", that I know that most US based sellers conciders as a potential (intl.) problem. 2. I ask them to check my excellent 100% positive 3 year old eBay feedback. :-) 3. I clearly state that I take the full risk of loosing something in the mail. I've so far not lost anything, either using airmail or surface mail. Then I've usualy have no problem buying from anyone on eBay. Regards, Jan-Erik.