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part 0 44 bytes his is a multi-part message in MIME format. part 1 258 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed (decoded 7bit) further Questions So if I program in basic and compile it, Where do I get a compiler, what's the cost? Where can I get data sheets on the different chips? Any good web sites that will help? Best place to buy chips? part 2 391 bytes content-type:text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; (decoded 7bit) begin:vcard fn:Robert I. Nelson n:Nelson;Robert I. org:RIN Designs adr:;;P.O. BOX 373;RIPON;WI;54971;USA email;internet:spam_OUTrindesignsTakeThisOuTcharter.net tel;work:1-(920)-229-7152 tel;home:1-(920)-748-7443 note;quoted-printable:Custom design and building of small electro mechanical devices.=0D=0A= AUTOCAD work ver2002 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard part 3 35 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (decoded 7bit)

R. I. Nelson wrote: > further Questions > > So if I program in basic and compile it, Where do I get a compiler, > what's the cost? Hmmm. not sure. Try this http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=PIC+BASIC > > Where can I get data sheets on the different chips? Try this: http://www.microchip.com > > Any good web sites that will help? > Try this: http://www.microchip.com > Best place to buy chips? > Try this: http://www.microchip.com Rolf P.S. Apologies for the URL in the first response. Not my idea... ;-)

> So if I program in basic and compile it, Where do I get a compiler, > what's the cost? I use Melabs's PICBasic Pro. They do have an online compiler, limited in capability, but available to check it out. Olin has a development environment which, AIUI, has some very useful macros. Not BASIC, but I'd try and avoid high level languages at first. You'll get a better feel for the usage of chip-level resources if you start out with assembly. > Where can I get data sheets on the different chips? Microchip has a datasheet lookup page on the main page. > Any good web sites that will help? http://www.voti.nl - Wouter's webpage. His HLL, JAL, could be a good place to start. It's not BASIC, but not too tough. http://www.embedinc.com/pic/ - Olin's webpage. > Best place to buy chips? Too many options. I like Digikey; they have an outstanding selection and ship to me next day at ground rates (only because I'm so close!), but have a minimum order of $25. buy.microchip.com is a good option; Microchip also sends free samples to worthy customers. Mouser sells some, as does Jameco. Jameco's a good choice, especially if you're aiming to buy other parts as well, because from Jameco you'll order a 5%, 10k, .25 watt resistor, whereas from Digikey, you'll have half a dozen different manufacturers' offerings to sort through, for the same basic product. I guess I'd say Jameco, overall, for the hobbiest. Mike H.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hord" <.....mike.hordKILLspam@spam@gmail.com> To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclistKILLspammit.edu> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [PIC] What chip 2nd round {Quote hidden}>> So if I program in basic and compile it, Where do I get a compiler, >> what's the cost? > > I use Melabs's PICBasic Pro. They do have an online compiler, > limited in capability, but available to check it out. > > Olin has a development environment which, AIUI, has some very > useful macros. Not BASIC, but I'd try and avoid high level > languages at first. You'll get a better feel for the usage of > chip-level resources if you start out with assembly. > >> Where can I get data sheets on the different chips? > > Microchip has a datasheet lookup page on the main page. > >> Any good web sites that will help? > I would suggest http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/product/books/PICbook/picbook.htm and if you decide to go the Basic way (and I think you should), http://www.mikroelektronika.co.yu/english/product/books/picbasicbook/00.htm on the same site. Regards, Anand

>From: R. I. Nelson <rindesigns <at> charter.net> >Subject: [PIC] What chip 2nd round >further Questions > >So if I program in basic and compile it, Where do I get a compiler, >what's the cost? > >Where can I get data sheets on the different chips? > >Any good web sites that will help? > >Best place to buy chips? I would recommend http://beaglerobotics.com to buy chips - I have PIC16F87* and 16F628a at reasonable price, plus easy and inexpensive development board. --- Sergey A Dryga Beagle Robotics, LLC http://www.piclist.com/member/SD-nc-JB PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, R. I. Nelson wrote: > further Questions > > So if I program in basic and compile it, Where do I get a compiler, what's the > cost? XCSB from http://www.xcprod.com/titan/XCSB LITE edition is free for personal non-commercial use. Code size limitted to 1900 words. Some type restrictions (e.g. floating point available as a sample feature - you get to define 3 floating point variables and use only these for floating point maths). Standard edition is GBP 50. Still personal non-commercial license but no code limit and no floating point limit (other restrictions apply). Includes many libraries as source. Comes with bootloader for 16F88 and 16F87x Professional edition is GBP 150. Licensed for commercial use. No type restrictions. Includes many libraries as source. > Any good web sites that will help? place to visit http://www.xcprod.com/titan/XCSB/CONTRIB forum is at http://www.xcsb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi Regards Sergio Masci http://www.xcprod.com/titan/XCSB - optimising PIC compiler FREE for personal non-commercial use

> I would recommend http://beaglerobotics.com to buy chips - I have > PIC16F87* and 16F628a at reasonable price, plus easy and inexpensive > development board. I have not checked the PIC prices, but the price op those Tact switches seems a bit high: 3 for $1! I sell 50 for $2.40. Looking further: LEDs for $0.27 is rediculous (but apparently they are LEDs with a build-in resistor), but a 40x2 LCD for $8.45 is a very good price. IC socket prices seem too high, but they don't state whether they are round-pin (better quality) or straight-pin (cheap). PIC price seem to be OK. Solderless breadbord is overpriced. I am a shop myself, so don't take my words as unbiased. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: http://www.voti.nl/hvu

Wouter van Ooijen <wouter <at> voti.nl> writes: > > > I would recommend http://beaglerobotics.com to buy chips - I have > > PIC16F87* and 16F628a at reasonable price, plus easy and inexpensive > > development board. > > I have not checked the PIC prices, but the price op those Tact switches > seems a bit high: 3 for $1! I sell 50 for $2.40. > > Looking further: LEDs for $0.27 is rediculous (but apparently they are > LEDs with a build-in resistor), but a 40x2 LCD for $8.45 is a very good > price. IC socket prices seem too high, but they don't state whether they > are round-pin (better quality) or straight-pin (cheap). PIC price seem > to be OK. Solderless breadbord is overpriced. > > I am a shop myself, so don't take my words as unbiased. > > Wouter van Ooijen > Hi Wouter, Thanks for comments, I agree with some and disagree with others. Just to clarify things: LEDs for $0.27 do seem ridiculous, until one realizes these are 5V leds, no need to use a current-limiting resistor. They are very convenient for prototyping. LCD - I agree, it is a good deal. Solderless breadboard is a custom made board, that's why it costs $17.95. just the parts for it cost over $22 at Jameco! Seems to me a fair deal at $17.95. Tact switches - 3 for $1 is OK price in US, at least most other places sell for more. These are not surplus, but rather high quality stock from distributor. BTW, your price is EUR2.50 for 50 switches, not USD2.40. I am impressed with your website, nice work. Although I am interested in advertising my webshop, I will not post any more replies on this topic, it is not really a a place for such discussion. I would be glad to continue it off line though. Sergey

> Thanks for comments, I agree with some and disagree with others. > Just to clarify things: > LEDs for $0.27 do seem ridiculous, until one realizes these > are 5V leds, no need to use a current-limiting resistor. They are very > convenient for prototyping. - you might want to advertise them more clearly as such: I could not find this on the LED/LED/LCD page. It is on the indvidual pages, but you must get the idea to click on the picture to get there (and it is not visible that the picture is a link) - for LEDs with buil-in R I have no idea what's a normal price, but peronally I doubt their usefullness at that price. But if you do sell them there are obviously people that disagree with me :) > Solderless breadboard is a custom made board, that's why it > costs $17.95. > just the parts for it cost over $22 at Jameco! Seems to me a > fair deal at $17.95. Ah, after clicking through I see it has some more power strips than I guessed from the first picture. That makes the price about right. > Tact switches - 3 for $1 is OK price in US, at least most > other places sell for more. Maybe they are top top quality, but I still think it's a bit pricey. > These are not surplus, but rather high quality stock from > distributor. BTW, your price is EUR2.50 for 50 switches, not USD2.40. Pricing in my wesbhop can be a bit confusing: I have different prices for E and $, bank transfer and paypal, and including and excluding VAT (EC sales tax). For a USA customer I think the $-paypal-exVAT price is relevant. I don't know how you get E 2.5o, but probably some combination will work that way. > I am impressed with your website, nice work. One thing the Beaglebot site has right (and I don't!) is that you can bookmark all pages. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: http://www.voti.nl/hvu

On 11/14/05, Wouter van Ooijen <.....wouterKILLspam.....voti.nl> wrote: > > I would recommend http://beaglerobotics.com to buy chips - I have > > PIC16F87* and 16F628a at reasonable price, plus easy and inexpensive > > development board. > > I have not checked the PIC prices, but the price op those Tact switches > seems a bit high: 3 for $1! I sell 50 for $2.40. > > Looking further: LEDs for $0.27 is rediculous (but apparently they are > LEDs with a build-in resistor), but a 40x2 LCD for $8.45 is a very good > price. Hi Wouter, Then buy yourself a few pieces next time when you've got the PCB's from Olimex. Comet has a shop in Bulgaria too (or in Romania). But I don't recommend these cheap LCD's untill you'll check the viewing angle on a few samples first. cheers, Vasile

> but a 40x2 LCD for $8.45 is a very good price. > > Then buy yourself a few pieces next time when you've got the > PCB's from Olimex. > Comet has a shop in Bulgaria too (or in Romania). > But I don't recommend these cheap LCD's untill you'll check the > viewing angle on a few samples first. When I said 'very good price' that was as price for an end user. That is roughly the price for which I would sell, so when I buy it must be substantially cheaper! Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: http://www.voti.nl/hvu

On Nov 11, 2005, at 4:23 AM, Wouter van Ooijen wrote: > When I said 'very good price' that was as price for an end user. That > is > roughly the price for which I would sell, so when I buy it must be > substantially cheaper! There is substantial value to a 'retailer' focused on a particular market segment, and providing nearly all the components for the customers in that market, even if their prices are somewhat (or even substantially) higher than the customer could get 'shopping around' at multiple mid-level distributers. I think Wouter's site is a fine example of a 'retailer' focused on PIC microcontroller experimentation, and Solarbotics is a good example of a retailer focused on BEAM robotics (although they mark up more than Wouter does...) If the OP manages to build his site to a good approximation of "one stop shopping" for the microcontroller-based robot experimenters crowd, it will be a good thing, even if I can go elsewhere and buy subsets of what I need at lower prices. If your target market tends to spend $20-30 at a time, that $4-7 minimum realistic postage charge starts to look awfully big :-( The contentious 3/$1 tactile switch is cheaper than digikey or Solarbotics for similar switches in that quantity. Wouter's price for 50, and his willingness to sell them in 1's for $0.10 is pretty phenomenal for a 'retailer'... BillW

part 0 44 bytes his is a multi-part message in MIME format. part 1 2191 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed (decoded 7bit) I did not wish for Mr. rolf to be removed from the list. maybe just a warning of improper use of words. I try to do a google search first but the results are over-powering. I think on a search of "pic basic compiler" I got 552,000 hits back. It would take months or years to read the info there. I thought that that was what the piclist was all about for beginners to get advice from the "old experienced pros" so to speak. I would appreciate if you would correct me if I am wrong. James Newton, Host wrote: {Quote hidden}>That was totally un-cool. Using that URL was a BAD idea, even if the name >and existence of that site was someone else's idea. > >Mr. Rolf is no longer with the PICList. > >--- >James Newton: PICList webmaster/Admin >EraseMEjamesnewtonspam_OUTTakeThisOuTpiclist.com 1-619-652-0593 phone >http://www.piclist.com/member/JMN-EFP-786 >PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com > > > > > > > >>{Original Message removed}