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'[PIC] The ultimate PIC dev kit?'
2006\03\24@145736 by Mike Hord

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mp3elf.net/

Not satisfied with making a discrete network enabled embedded
music player, they made it a PIC and AVR programmer, and it
can be used as a general purpose development suite for playing
with embedded network devices in general.  Does 1-wire, FTP,
Telnet, I2C, RS232, and has a general purpose IR input for
remote controls.

All this in a F628.  Not bad.  They even had pins left over!

Maybe not the ultimate PIC development kit, but it's definitely
cute.

Mike H.

2006\03\24@165832 by William Chops Westfield

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On Mar 24, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Mike Hord wrote:

> http://mp3elf.net/
>
> Not satisfied with making a discrete network enabled embedded
> music player, they made it a PIC and AVR programmer, and it
> can be used as a general purpose development suite for playing
> with embedded network devices in general.  Does 1-wire, FTP,
> Telnet, I2C, RS232, and has a general purpose IR input for
> remote controls.
>
> All this in a F628.  Not bad.  They even had pins left over!
>
Looks like it needs a dallas TINI dimm to do most of the
work.  That's cheating.  Next thing you know, someone will
have a PIC programmer built out of an AVR butterfly!

BillW

2006\03\29@143951 by Howard Winter

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Bill,

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:58:31 -0800, William "Chops" Westfield wrote:

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LOL!  I've wanted to pipe music around the house using TCP/IP for some time, and this looks like something I'd
like to have a crack at, but the TINI thing seems a bit strange - going to the linked web site there doesn't
seem to be an easy way to buy one (and no information on the price).  Is there just one product or a whole
range called TINI?  It certainly returns "Not Found" on searching for TINI on the "Buy" page  :-(  This is
obviously a marketing name, but I can't find a part-number for it (/them?).  And I wonder why they don't
include it in any of their kits?

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\03\29@153112 by Danny Sauer

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Howard wrote regarding 'Re: [PIC] The ultimate PIC dev kit?' on Wed,
Mar 29 at 13:41:
> Is there just one product or a whole range called TINI?

You might find this more helpful as a starting point:
http://www.maxim-ic.com/TINIplatform.cfm

--Danny

2006\03\29@154952 by Bob Blick

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> LOL!  I've wanted to pipe music around the house using TCP/IP for some
> time, and this looks like something I'd
> like to have a crack at, but the TINI thing seems a bit strange - going to
> the linked web site there doesn't
> seem to be an easy way to buy one (and no information on the price).  Is
> there just one product or a whole
> range called TINI?  It certainly returns "Not Found" on searching for TINI
> on the "Buy" page  :-(  This is
> obviously a marketing name, but I can't find a part-number for it
> (/them?).  And I wonder why they don't
> include it in any of their kits?

How's $49 for something already made and tested? With both wired ethernet
and wireless 802.11b!

http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=justdeals&query=MP101&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.yahoo.com%2Fjustdeals%2F

Piping audio around your house is cheap and easy - there's no need to
reinvent the wheel. I realize you are across the big pond, so this deal
doesn't apply to you, but there are other devices that make the DIY
approach less than attractive. The MP101 also has good sound quality right
out of the box, you don't have to debug your ground loops!

I use a linux version of the server from twonkyvision.de although the
supplied Windows server is adequate. Sound quality is very good and the
price can't be beat.

Cheerful regards,

Bob


2006\03\29@161913 by Howard Winter

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Danny,

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:31:12 -0600, Danny Sauer wrote:

> Howard wrote regarding 'Re: [PIC] The ultimate PIC dev kit?' on Wed,
> Mar 29 at 13:41:
> > Is there just one product or a whole range called TINI?
>
> You might find this more helpful as a starting point:
> http://www.maxim-ic.com/TINIplatform.cfm

Thanks, but initially not!  :-)  The "Product tree" seems to not relate to the TINI thing at all, so I tried
the "Evaluation Board" link - is that what they are talking about, part number DSTINIM400 ?  I don't know if
I'm having an off day, but that area of Dallas/Maxim's web site seems to be particularly unhelpful to
navigate.  Once you have the right product on the screen, pressing <Buy> ought to take you to a screen to buy
it, but it's 4 carefully-chosen clicks, then entering the part number by hand, from memory, before they'll
even tell you the price!  Ah well...  

If that is the one, they're US$67 each in small quantities, which makes the mp3elf device rather less of a
"low cost" device than they are letting on on that site, with even the "Full Kit" coming to over $200
(including the TINI), which you then have to build, and then find/make a case for it  :-(  Doesn't look like
something I'll be fitting in every room of the house very soon...

Maybe I *am* having an off day!

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\03\29@170147 by Danny Sauer

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Howard wrote regarding 'Re: [PIC] The ultimate PIC dev kit?' on Wed,
Mar 29 at 15:42:
> Danny,
>
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:31:12 -0600, Danny Sauer wrote:
>
> > Howard wrote regarding 'Re: [PIC] The ultimate PIC dev kit?' on
> > Wed, Mar 29 at 13:41:
> > > Is there just one product or a whole range called TINI?
> >
> > You might find this more helpful as a starting point:
> > http://www.maxim-ic.com/TINIplatform.cfm
>
> Thanks, but initially not!  :-)  The "Product tree" seems to not
> relate to the TINI thing at all, so I tried the "Evaluation Board"
> link - is that what they are talking about, part number DSTINIM400 ?
> I don't know if I'm having an off day, but that area of
> Dallas/Maxim's web site seems to be particularly unhelpful to
> navigate.

Click on FAQ.  There are two 8051-like microprocessors that they say
can host the environment, the DS80C390 and DS80C400.  At the bottom of
the FAQ page, you get a link to both with will let you request samples
or buy them.  The "standard temp" 390 in an LQFP package is $15 in
quantities of 1, the 400 is $10.50 in the same package with extended
temp.  The Dallas site isn't the most obvious to navigate, but every
product has a set of links at the bottom of the page (after the
generally helpful app notes) to sample and for ordering info, among
others.  No part-number-remembering neccesary. ;) (Click on "ordering
information" and then "buy" - the "pricing and availabiilty" link is
actually useless).

It looks like you get the processor, then add the TINI firmware, or
buy the evaluation board ou found.  I've not worked with any Dallas
stuff outside of the serial convertors and the iButton stuff, but
that's my impression from the site. :)

--Danny

2006\03\30@002510 by William Chops Westfield

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On Mar 29, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Howard Winter wrote:

> Is there just one product or a whole range called TINI?  It
> certainly returns "Not Found" on searching for TINI on the
> "Buy" page  :-(  This is obviously a marketing name, but I
> can't find a part-number for it (/them?).  And I wonder
> why they don't include it in any of their kits?
>
The tini's full part number is DSTINI1-<memsize> or TINIm390
It is (was) apparently a Dallas "Evaluation Board" and reference
design that is no longer sold.  Further, it's been replace by a
DSTINIm400 that is not pin compatible (grr.  I always figured
the purpose of laying out something like a simmstick was that
could keep a compatible pinout even while upgrading the guts.)

It's theoretically a showcase for the Dallas high-speed 8051 clones,
demonstrating their ability to implement internet protocols and such,
but to me it sorta looks more like a testament to somebody's PCB
design skills!  The ethernet and memory on the the TINIm390 aren't
integrated, they're just thrown on there by brute force; the parts
count is... impressively large. (the m400 is better; the ds80c410
chip does have integrated ethernet...)


http://www.maxim-ic.com/TINIplatform.cfm
http://www.maxim-ic.com/products/tini/pdfs/TINI_GUIDE.pdf

BillW

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