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2004\08\27@151222 by Dan Smith

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I am pleased to report that the move to Mailman went smoothly.  All of
your subscription options on Mailman have been set to the same as
those you had on Listserv.

To post to the Mailman Piclist, send your email to:

spam_OUTpiclistTakeThisOuTspammit.edu

General information about the mailing list is at:

http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist

If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to
or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your
subscription page.

You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:

.....Piclist-requestKILLspamspam@spam@mit.edu

with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the
quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions.

You must know your password to change your options (including changing
the password, itself) or to unsubscribe.

Dan
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2004\08\27@151222 by Dan Smith

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I am pleased to report that the move to Mailman went smoothly.  All of
your subscription options on Mailman have been set to the same as
those you had on Listserv.

To post to the Mailman Piclist, send your email to:

piclistspamKILLspammit.edu

General information about the mailing list is at:

http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist

If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to
or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your
subscription page.

You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:

.....Piclist-requestKILLspamspam.....mit.edu

with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the
quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions.

You must know your password to change your options (including changing
the password, itself) or to unsubscribe.

Dan
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2004\08\27@161105 by Dominic Stratten

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Dan - just sent as post to the list - nothing as yet back.

Cheers

Dom

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To: @spam@piclistKILLspamspammit.edu
Subject: [PIC] The Piclist is Back!

I am pleased to report that the move to Mailman went smoothly.  All of your
subscription options on Mailman have been set to the same as those you had
on Listserv.

To post to the Mailman Piclist, send your email to:

KILLspampiclistKILLspamspammit.edu

General information about the mailing list is at:

http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist

If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or
from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page.

You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:

RemoveMEPiclist-requestTakeThisOuTspammit.edu

with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and
you will get back a message with instructions.

You must know your password to change your options (including changing the
password, itself) or to unsubscribe.

Dan
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2004\08\27@161105 by Dominic Stratten

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Dan - just sent as post to the list - nothing as yet back.

Cheers

Dom

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Dan Smith
Sent: 27 August 2004 20:12
To: RemoveMEpiclistspamTakeThisOuTmit.edu
Subject: [PIC] The Piclist is Back!

I am pleased to report that the move to Mailman went smoothly.  All of your
subscription options on Mailman have been set to the same as those you had
on Listserv.

To post to the Mailman Piclist, send your email to:

piclistEraseMEspam.....mit.edu

General information about the mailing list is at:

http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist

If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or
from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page.

You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:

EraseMEPiclist-requestspammit.edu

with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and
you will get back a message with instructions.

You must know your password to change your options (including changing the
password, itself) or to unsubscribe.

Dan
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2004\08\27@183853 by James Newton, Host

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And the archive at piclist.com is again catching posts from the new list
server.

We have the archive at mit.edu also on for the list at this time, just in
case, but we will be turning that back off to minimize the hosting load on
MIT's part.

Congrats Dan! Nice work. Especially the bit about transferring all the
subscriber settings via your automatic scripts. Please do send those to
Karen in case they are of use to other MIT listserver admins.

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2004\08\27@185454 by William Chops Westfield

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On Aug 27, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Dan Smith wrote:

> I am pleased to report that the move to Mailman went smoothly.  All of
> your subscription options on Mailman have been set to the same as
> those you had on Listserv.
>
Did the old software automatically wrap text?  I've been composing mail
mostly without newlines, counting on the fact that SOMEONE was inserting
them at some point.  post-upgrade, my messages look different :-(

BillW

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2004\08\27@192228 by Dan Smith

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:37:04 -0700, James Newton, Host
<RemoveMEjamesnewtonspam_OUTspamKILLspampiclist.com> wrote:
> And the archive at piclist.com is again catching posts from the new list
> server.

Wow - quick work work James!

> We have the archive at mit.edu also on for the list at this time, just in
> case, but we will be turning that back off to minimize the hosting load on
> MIT's part.

Are  you happy for me to switch of the Mailman archive then?

> Congrats Dan! Nice work. Especially the bit about transferring all the
> subscriber settings via your automatic scripts. Please do send those to
> Karen in case they are of use to other MIT listserver admins.

Thanks.  I'll tidy up the scripts and improve the commenting, then
send them on to Karen.

I've ordered a couple of Piclist mugs to celebrate!

Dan
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2004\08\28@104003 by olin_piclist

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William Chops Westfield wrote:
> I've been composing
> mail mostly without newlines, counting on the fact that SOMEONE was
> inserting them at some point.

That's a bad idea in any case.  SMTP and POP3 do not guarantee to handle
infinitely long lines.  I occasionally get messages where a paragraph gets
cut off in mid sentence.  It appears that some transport somewhere is
truncating lines at 256 characters.

The best defense, as it's always been, is to send email as plain text with
lines not exceeding 80 characters.  Most email clients have settings to
automatically wrap your long lines to somewhere between 72 and 80 characters
(I use Outlook Express and have it wrap to 76 characters).  That way you can
type as you like, but your message will be sent in the format that is most
likely to be viewed as you intended by the largest number of recipients.


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2004\08\28@155655 by William Chops Westfield

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On Aug 28, 2004, at 7:39 AM, Olin Lathrop wrote:

>> I've been composing
>> mail mostly without newlines, counting on the fact that SOMEONE was
>> inserting them at some point.
>
> That's a bad idea in any case.
       :
> The best defense, as it's always been, is to send email as plain text
> with
> lines not exceeding 80 characters.  Most email clients have settings to
> automatically wrap your long lines to somewhere between 72 and 80
> characters.

In truth, this is what I thought was happening.  Since this particular
account
is used almost exclusively for PICLIST at the moment, I didn't notice
bad
behavior until the new server (presumably) stopped doing the wrapping.

MacOSX's Mail.app doesn't seem to.  It's particularly annoying in that
it
does wrap at word boundries in the composition area, so it LOOKS like
it's
doing a reasonable thing.  It's annoyingly difficult in this day and age
to figure out how wide "80 columns" is, even if you're composing in a
fixed
width font; the rest of the window ISN'T in a fixed-width font.  sigh.

BillW

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2004\08\28@223511 by hilip Stortz

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odd, i've always done that assuming the readers email reader would wrap
it to something appropriate for their monitor (i usually warp received
email at about 100 chars since i have a large monitor and like it that
way).  i also can't find the setting to do that on my email package
although i think it does have that setting and that i've occasionally
used it before.  i'm using netscape 4.75 for email on a mac (i'm using a
newer version of mozilla for surfing, i just haven't found a good free
email reader that will handle multiple email accounts yet.  netscape
doesn't do it well but i'm used to it.  i use different email boxes to
sort my email by interest etc. and to hopefully reduce spam or at least
make it easier to kill an email box off and move everything to a new
mailbox).  doubtless the next time i look it will be obvious to me....
i've looked all over twice and it's still eluding me currently.

Olin Lathrop wrote:
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the hell they aren't airing the news any more!  Our system of government
requires an informed public, with their eyes open.
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'[PIC] The Piclist is Back!'
2004\09\02@184521 by Nate Duehr
2004\09\10@125020 by Mike Singer
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James Newton, Host wrote:
> Congrats Dan! Nice work. Especially the bit about transferring
> all the subscriber settings via your automatic scripts. Please
> do send those to Karen in case they are of use to other MIT
> listserver admins.

Before the transferring my options were all "-": [-PIC], [-EE],
[-OT],... I used to search the list through archive. Then I've
got out for couple of weeks. And now after getting back I've
found my mailbox in a total mess. Mailman interpreted all "-"
as all "+", I think.
Perhaps other mail, I really needed in, got bounced due to the possible
mailbox overflow. The most annoying thing is that my
mailbox got polluted by the thread named sort of "Wild Russians
killed children letting terrorists escape". Is this a
microcontroller discussion list or what?
Hundred or so of 10K+ posts containing anything you can imagine
but just simple words of condolences to hundreds of families
whose children(2-17 y.o.) were killed or badly wounded by
terrorists after being heavily tortured.

Apology to those who feel offended.

Hope this won't get me kicked off the list this time for "Trolling
for a flame."


Best Regards.

Mike Singer, Ukraine.



 


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2004\09\10@132537 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Mike Singer wrote :

> Before the transferring my options were all "-": [-PIC], [-EE],
> [-OT],... I used to search the list through archive. Then I've
> got out for couple of weeks. And now after getting back I've
> found my mailbox in a total mess. Mailman interpreted all "-"
> as all "+", I think.

Hi.
I have not seen that happen. I get the same topics now
after as before the change. I have not seen anyone else
talking about that specific problem either. Weird...

Jan-Erik.

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2004\09\13@072220 by Russell McMahon

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> ... my mailbox got polluted by the thread named sort of "Wild Russians
> killed children letting terrorists escape".
...
> Hundred or so of 10K+ posts containing anything you can imagine
> but just simple words of condolences to hundreds of families
> whose children(2-17 y.o.) were killed or badly wounded by
> terrorists after being heavily tortured.

I started that thread I'm afraid.
The intention was to tell people who cared as quickly as possible after it
had happened about the outcome. I never anticipated that it would turn into
a discussion of so many quite different things. As is often the case with
such threads, it has had several changes of subject. It has now been closed
down by the list admin. (The reason it was closed are totally unrelated to
the original title or to this response).

The actual title was

       [OT:] Russian forces storm school, captors slip away...

That was the name of the then 30 or so minutes old news article that it
pointed to.
There was certainly no intention on my part or AFAIR by the article's
writers to blame the Russian troops for what happened. I'm genuinely sorry
if you found the subject line offensive - and I can fully understand how you
could have. [For those who don't know, Mike lives in Crimea in Russia.]

I suspect that the disastrous end of the siege was quite possibly triggered
by an (at that stage) unintended chain reaction:

 Some children escape,
 scumbags fire on children and kill them,
 troops fire back at scumbags in defence of escaping children,
 other scumbags think they are under general attack and respond
 and it escalates.

Or a stray bullet may even have triggered a bomb rigged by the scumbags with
the same effect.

I'd be immensely surprised if anyone on this list has any sympathy for those
who acted in such a cowardly and despicable and (if I may use the term)
utterly evil manner. (If there are any they would be very well advised to
self censor themselves on this occasion :-(. ) While there are grave
injustices on both sides in the Chechen / Russian situation, to abuse
children in this manner for no reason other than that they are citizens of
your enemy, is nothing short of utter evil*. (eg video footage by the
CAPTORS shows that they treated some or possibly most of the prisoners in
ways which were at that time unknown to those outside, did not affect their
bargaining position and which were cruel and depraved. As the acts were
unknown to those outside, the only reasons for doing this were that they
could and they wanted to.)




       Russell McMahon



* FWIW: Christ's most severe censure was directed towards those who harm
children. Words to the effect that they would find violent instant personal
death a better option to choose.

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2004\09\13@141219 by Mike Singer

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Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
>> Before the transferring my options were all "-": [-PIC], [-EE],
>> [-OT],... I used to search the list through archive. Then I've
>> got out for couple of weeks. And now after getting back I've
>> found my mailbox in a total mess. Mailman interpreted all "-"
>> as all "+", I think.
>
>... I get the same topics now
>after as before the change. I have not seen anyone else
>talking about that specific problem either. Weird...


I've got the same topics too. All Tags were "Off" before and
after the transferring. But posts of all tags started to flood
my mailbox nevertheless with the advent of Mailman. Since the
transferring form listserver to Mailman is supposed to get
common, I think, this bug should be checked out.


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Political rant is below, Olin, don't read this please.

Russell McMahon wrote:
> I'm genuinely sorry if you found the subject line offensive
> - and I can fully understand how you could have. [For those
> who don't know, Mike lives in Crimea in Russia.]

Yes, Russell, my mother was Russian, but Crimea is in Ukraine.
And victims were not mostly Russian, they were multi-ethnic,
probably mostly Ossetins. Actually my reaction would be the
same regardless of where on the Earth the school were placed on,
Auckland, San-Diego or Shanghai.
The post wasn't against you or anybody on the list. In fact
I even don't know why I felt I should write that.

Best Regards.

Mike.


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