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'[PIC] Sick PIC Programer'
2005\04\29@050838 by liam .

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All,

I've got a programmer which I built early last year and used for a few
projects back then but nothing recently. I just dug it out cause I
need to get a project up and running however programming keeps
failing.

The programmer is from Jaycar Electronics and is a Kit of a project
from the Australian Electronics Mag Silicon Chip.

http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5367&CATID=&keywords=serial+pic&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30668/article.html

For programming software beacuse the programmer is JDM compatable i've
been using ic-prog and im using it as an ICSP programmer however to
avoid possible problems on my board im using a programming adapter
with the 16F628.

When i turn on the programmer the MCLR line instantly goes up to about
12.8V and remains this way regardless of toggling the test panel in
ic-prog. Also PGD remains at a constant 5V as does VDD. I can remember
last time I used it i tested it using this facility and the ICSP lines
responded to the ic-prog test panel.

I've even gone and got the free serial monitor program discussed
recently and all i get from it is that ic-prog is communicating with
the serial port.

The programmer uses an internal pic but as this is my only programmer
I cant exactly re-program it (not that I have the code but I may be
able to get the hex..)


Anyone have any ideas or experiances?



Thanks

Liam

2005\04\29@054546 by Hopkins

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What city are you in Liam?

Do you have the original article or circuit info?

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Roy
Tauranga
New Zealand
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2005\04\30@233146 by liam .

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> Do you have the original article or circuit info?

I just found it and had another look through... There was an
interesting comment about when enabling the data out in the ic-prog
test panel the data in should also as they are tied to confirm the
software using serial and connected to the programmer. THIS IS NOT
HAPPENING.

I've shifted my focus away from the programmer and onto the serial
cables and serial port on the computer so far not luck.


Liam


'[PIC] Sick PIC Programer'
2005\05\01@001546 by Hopkins
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Perhaps you have changed the serial cable and have either a straight
through one or one that swaps the tX/RX lines.

_______________________________________
Roy
Tauranga
New Zealand
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2005\05\01@003605 by liam .

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On 5/1/05, Hopkins <spam_OUTrdhopkinsTakeThisOuTspamihug.co.nz> wrote:
> Perhaps you have changed the serial cable and have either a straight
> through one or one that swaps the tX/RX lines.
>

That was what I though but changes in cable havent helped so maybe its
the computer. Changing computers is next on the list. Pitty my laptop
doesnt have serial....


Liam

2005\05\01@074726 by John J. McDonough

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Are you sure you haven't had an operating system change?  Sounds like the
behavior of NT/W2K/XP if the software was assuming 9x.  Also, beware that
some programmers expect the serial port to put out something like 9 volts,
and lots of modern serial ports generate a tenth of that.

If you can wiggle the lines with ic-prog, first step is to put your
voltmeter on the serial connector at the back of the PC and see what's
happening there.  No amount of fiddling with the progammer/cable is going to
help if the PC ain't actually saying anything.

--McD

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2005\05\03@042442 by liam .

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I have changed computers since I last used the programmer but as yet
have not been able to test on yet another computer. To get around the
win 9x vs XP issues with serial ports last time I used a 98SE desktop
which since has died. At the moment I am trying on a 98SE. The plan is
to find another computer (desktop) and try again with different
cables.

liaaam

2005\05\03@044541 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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liam wrote :

> I have changed computers since I last used the programmer but as yet
> have not been able to test on yet another computer....

I'd guess that very few here remember what "programmer" you
are talking about. You don't expect everyone to go looking
up the archives, are you ?

> To get around the
> win 9x vs XP issues with serial ports last time I used a 98SE desktop
> which since has died. At the moment I am trying on a 98SE. The plan is
> to find another computer (desktop) and try again with different
> cables.
>
> liaaam

Have you thought about finding another *programmer* ?
Seems much easier...

Jan-Erik.



2005\05\03@051238 by liam .

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>
> I'd guess that very few here remember what "programmer" you
> are talking about. You don't expect everyone to go looking
> up the archives, are you ?
>

Sorry, gmail shows all the emails lined up.

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The programmer is from Jaycar Electronics and is a Kit of a project
from the Australian Electronics Mag Silicon Chip.

http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5367&CATID=&keywords=serial+pic&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30668/article.html


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>
> Have you thought about finding another *programmer* ?
> Seems much easier...
>


If I cant get it working simply by going to another computer with
various cables I probably will buy  new one (USB based for laptop). I
was mainly curious if anyone specifically had a similar programmer
that stopped working: "experiance" and managed to fix it. Not spending
money was the aim.


Liam

2005\05\03@080500 by olin_piclist

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liam . wrote:
> I have changed computers since I last used the programmer but as yet
> have not been able to test on yet another computer. To get around the
> win 9x vs XP issues with serial ports last time I used a 98SE desktop
> which since has died. At the moment I am trying on a 98SE. The plan is
> to find another computer (desktop) and try again with different
> cables.

Do whatever you want.  Why are you telling us this?  Is there any reason we
are supposed to care about this Life of Liam story?


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2005\05\03@081734 by liam .

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> Do whatever you want.  Why are you telling us this?  Is there any reason we
> are supposed to care about this Life of Liam story?

The origional reason going back to my first email was to ask if anyone
else has the same programmer and has had it die, latter to be
resurrected. Are you suppose to care.... probably not.

2005\05\03@083911 by olin_piclist

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liam . wrote:
> The origional reason going back to my first email was to ask if anyone
> else has the same programmer and has had it die, latter to be
> resurrected.

Many of us get 100s of emails a day.  You can't expect people to remember
the context of a thread without including a relevant snippet.  Your message
included no context and asked no question, and was therefore content free
for anyone not breathlessly watching for the next update to the Life of
Liam.


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(978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com

2005\05\03@090849 by John J. McDonough

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----- Original Message -----
From: "liam ." <.....liaaam2KILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PIC] Sick PIC Programer


> The programmer is from Jaycar Electronics and is a Kit of a project
> from the Australian Electronics Mag Silicon Chip.

Liam

Without paying for a subscription, those links are pretty much content-free.
But looking at the pictures, it does appear to be a simple programmer with a
charge pump to generate Vpp.  Based on that assumption, it is very unlikely
that the software that worked under Win98 would still work on NT/XP.  I
think there's good odds that trying it on a Win98 machine will work.

The USB programmer thing does get around that, although it's not the USB
that really does it.  Probably not such a bad plan given the price of things
like the Wisp628 or EasyProg.

Assuming you have a schematic, you might try your programmer with WinPic or
FPP.  These are pretty configurable bits of software that can drive a simple
programmer under XP (although not without some setup grief).

--McD


2005\05\03@124405 by phil B

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>...                                   Your message
> included no context and asked no question, and was
> therefore content free
> for anyone not breathlessly watching for the next
> update to the Life of
> Liam.

Now that you and your progeny have been well-slammed,
here's a suggestion.  Set up dual boot on your PC.  I
have Win2K (xp with out the calories) +  Win98SE
installed and can boot into either.  You have to play
a bit with the file system if you didn't anticipate
dual boot but google turns up several how-to pages.
There are utilities that will repartition your disk to
make room.  I'd make a smallish one for win98. If I
need win98, I just reboot into it.

Also, I've gotten a similar LPT programmer (MELabs) to
work under Win2K by disabling the printer polling plus
one of the later SPs.  I don't remember all the
machinations but as usual, all roads start from
google...

Phil

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