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2007\04\23@124924 by Joshua Shriver

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Anyone know of any pay-per-burn services for PICS?

I have a project I'd like to work on, but dont have the money to get a
pic programmer yet. I just need 1-2 PIC's programmed.

Any tips?
Here is the schematic for the project I want to build.
http://users.pandora.be/hollie/picmicro/pics/rds_dec_pic.gif

It's for a RDS decoder.  Has anyone on this list also build a RDS decoder?

-Josh

2007\04\23@125925 by M. Adam Davis

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If you ask on the list, many people would be happy to burn a pic or
two for you, provided you send the PICs and HEX file, or pay for the
PICs.  Give your location, and you may find someone nearby.

-Adam

On 4/23/07, Joshua Shriver <spam_OUTjshriverTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:
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2007\04\23@130006 by M. Adam Davis

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Does this have anything to do with the traffic message channel of RDS,
out of curiosity?

:-)

-Adam

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2007\04\23@131002 by Joshua Shriver

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I live in Toledo, OH

On 4/23/07, M. Adam Davis <.....stienmanKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
> If you ask on the list, many people would be happy to burn a pic or
> two for you, provided you send the PICs and HEX file, or pay for the
> PICs.  Give your location, and you may find someone nearby.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 4/23/07, Joshua Shriver <EraseMEjshriverspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone know of any pay-per-burn services for PICS?
> >
> > I have a project I'd like to work on, but dont have the money to get a
> > pic programmer yet. I just need 1-2 PIC's programmed.
> >
> > Any tips?
> > Here is the schematic for the project I want to build.
> > users.pandora.be/hollie/picmicro/pics/rds_dec_pic.gif
> >
> > It's for a RDS decoder.  Has anyone on this list also build a RDS decoder?
> >
> > -Josh
> > --

2007\04\23@131517 by Joshua Shriver

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Nay it's actually kinda silly. I was driving to work the other day and
thought, how radio seems to play the same 10 songs over and over
again. Then I thought of my girlfriends car who's radio displays song
titles and everything which sparked my interest of how it was able to
do that. After some searching I came across RDS and  a couple sites
with RDS decoder schematics. I'm really new to EE, but thought this
would be a fun first project.

Once I can capture the RDS stream via a serial connection, I can
record the song names, frequency, etc and do data mining to see "hey
Britney Spears is played 3000 times a day" lol.

But there are other possibilities too like you said traffic info.
Just seems like a fun and somewhat simple project.

-Josh

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2007\04\23@132504 by Robert Rolf

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Joshua Shriver wrote:

> Nay it's actually kinda silly. I was driving to work the other day and
> thought, how radio seems to play the same 10 songs over and over
> again. Then I thought of my girlfriends car who's radio displays song
> titles and everything which sparked my interest of how it was able to
> do that. After some searching I came across RDS and  a couple sites
> with RDS decoder schematics. I'm really new to EE, but thought this
> would be a fun first project.
>
> Once I can capture the RDS stream via a serial connection, I can
> record the song names, frequency, etc and do data mining to see "hey
> Britney Spears is played 3000 times a day" lol.
>
> But there are other possibilities too like you said traffic info.
> Just seems like a fun and somewhat simple project.

So don't forget to add infrared input/output capability.
Then you can control a radio to scan the channels continuously to see
just how bad the repeat rate is for ALL your local channels.
I assume it takes only a second or two to lock on to the RDS data.

Any URLs that you found particulalry useful?
I'd like to take a quick look at what RDS is about.

Robert


2007\04\23@133819 by wouter van ooijen

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> Anyone know of any pay-per-burn services for PICS?

[AD]
http://www.voti.nl/shop/p/PIC-PROGRAMMING.html

But unless this is for an existing & debugged project I would seriously
advise you to buy or build a progger. For a very small budget, consider
http://www.voti.nl/shop/p/PP-Wisp628.html.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2007\04\23@135027 by M. Adam Davis

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If you can't find anyone closer, I'm near Ann Arbor.  At least mail
packages will only take a day or two to go back and forth.

-Adam

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2007\04\23@144554 by Joshua Shriver

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Wonderful thanks..

Here is the project I'm trying to build:
http://users.pandora.be/hollie/picmicro/rds.htm

It even has the hex file for burning into the PIC16F84. For the radio
I was just going to use one of those $1 pocket radios you find at the
Dollar store.

I like the design on this page because it's simple and pretty
low-level in terms of demand what what it does.  Rather than worry
about tuning etc, I figure at most there's only a handful of stations
that could be monitored, and as cheap as these should be to build I
could make one for each (2-3?)

Just an idea, no big or concrete plans. Mostly a fun proof of concept
kind of project.

-Josh

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2007\04\23@171815 by Carl Denk

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And, I'm in Lagrange, Ohio, a 1.5 hour drive East and 14 miles South of
Lake Erie. Being an experienced novice, I probably wouldn't be first
choice, but would be happy to try burning, and could pick up the return
postage. I have a Micro engineering EPIC programmer which I use for 18
pin devices. Currently have been using 18F1320. For some reason haven't
been able to program the 18C711. There is also someone on this list from
Elyria, Ohio, which is 6 miles North. :)

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2007\04\24@092323 by Peiserma

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piclist-bounces@mit.edu wrote:
> If you can't find anyone closer, I'm near Ann Arbor.  At
> least mail packages will only take a day or two to go back and forth.


I'm in Elyria, which is reasonably close to Toledo (about 1.5 hours drive)


2007\04\24@092344 by Peiserma

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piclist-bounces@mit.edu wrote:
> There is also someone on
> this list from Elyria, Ohio, which is 6 miles North. :)

I sent a reply before i saw this mail. I'm reasonably sure you're talking about me :)

In any case, I'd gladly help out and answer some questions.

2007\04\24@102209 by Joshua Shriver

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Thanks to everyone who's responded I'll star these emails. I'm moving
this week so probably wont get started for a week or two. Appreciate
everything!

-Josh

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> spamBeGonepiclist-bouncesSTOPspamspamEraseMEmit.edu wrote:
> > If you can't find anyone closer, I'm near Ann Arbor.  At
> > least mail packages will only take a day or two to go back and forth.
>
>
> I'm in Elyria, which is reasonably close to Toledo (about 1.5 hours drive)
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2007\04\24@151138 by Dwayne Reid

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At 10:49 AM 4/23/2007, Joshua Shriver wrote:
>Anyone know of any pay-per-burn services for PICS?

Hi there, Josh.

I'd like to suggest that you visit <http://www.voti.nl/wisp628/index_1.html>.

You can assemble that programmer on one of those cheapie solderless
breadboard sockets in a fairly short time.  Make sure that you
include the test LED mentioned near the bottom of the page.

All you need is the PIC processor (16f628) sent to you.  You could
purchase one from Wouter but I think the least expensive way for you
to get one is to have someone on this side of the pond simply program
one up and ship it to you.

Have a look at that page and decide if that's the way you want to
go.  If so, mention it on the list and someone will offer to program
and ship you the PIC.  Then you can program your own devices to your
heart's content - and be sure that the PIC is programmed properly, every time.

FWIW - I'll extend that offer to any Canadians who want a Wisp628
programmed.  You pay for the chip and shipping, I'll send it out.

As far as I can tell, Wouter permits that.  I suppose I should
clarify that, though.

Wouter - is it OK for list members to program and ship a Wisp628 to
someone who needs one?

dwayne

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2007\04\24@160634 by wouter van ooijen

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> Wouter - is it OK for list members to program and ship a Wisp628 to
> someone who needs one?

What I allow is to use my design (circuit, firmware, PC software) in a
home-build-for-own-use Wips628 clone. Taken literally that does not say
anything about programmed chips, but following the spirit: providing
chips programmed with Wisp628 firmware to 'third parties' is OK if for
the above purpose, and without making a profit (charging for the cost of
the chip and postage does not count as profit).

My idea behind this is that I want to sell Wisp628 proggers to those who
would pay for a progger, but I don't object that those who would
probably never pay for one build their own (but I don't want other
people to build Wisp628's for those who would otherwise buy them from
me). More Wisp628's in the world is more 'support' for Wisp628, more PIC
pages on the web (but please, no more 16x84 pages!), and (hopefully)
more PICs for me to sell. So in the end I benefit, or at least that is
what I tell myself :)

If you do this I advise that you use a 16F648A (room for future larger
Wisp628 firmware), and maybe 'sell' one extra 16F648A for bootstrapping
to new firmware. The firmware on my Wisp628 page works on 16F628,
16F628A and 16F648A.

Note that Rob Hamerling has extended my firmware to new PICs, and he
provides accompanying PC software that does not use Python (which some
people find cumbersome). But his firmware has sacrificed some
passthrough modes, which other people like very much. So the choice is
open. Afaik Rob's firmware works on the same chips as mine.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2007\04\24@164414 by olin piclist

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Dwayne Reid wrote:
> I'd like to suggest that you visit
> <http://www.voti.nl/wisp628/index_1.html>.
>
> You can assemble that programmer on one of those cheapie solderless
> breadboard sockets in a fairly short time.  Make sure that you
> include the test LED mentioned near the bottom of the page.
>
> All you need is the PIC processor (16f628) sent to you.  You could
> purchase one from Wouter but I think the least expensive way for you
> to get one is to have someone on this side of the pond simply program
> one up and ship it to you.
>
> Have a look at that page and decide if that's the way you want to
> go.  If so, mention it on the list and someone will offer to program
> and ship you the PIC.  Then you can program your own devices to your
> heart's content - and be sure that the PIC is programmed properly,
> every time.

The Wisp628 is a "real" programmer in that it doesn't try to cheat the specs
of a serial port and uses it the way it is intended.  It's probably the
simplest and cheapest real programmer out there.

My EasyProg is another alternative (http://www.embedinc.com/easyprog).  The
circuit is a bit more complicated but you should still be able to build one
up on a solderless breadboard.  Some parts of the circuit can be eliminated
that are used to sense how big a package is in the ZIF socket and that deal
with the resulting shuffling of pins.  It will still take a few more parts
and a little longer to build, but supports a lot more chips.  The software,
firmware, and schematic are all open, as I believe the Wisp's are too.  The
runtime software is a set of regular Windows executables.

I'll program a 16F648A for free with the latest EasyProg firmware if you
send me one with a self-addressed and stamped envelope/package to return it
in via the US post office.  It's no big deal for me to pop a 16F648A in a
programmer and send it back, as long as I don't have to stand in line at the
post office, hook up with UPS, FedEx, deal with any special instructions,
etc.  If the post office won't take it, postage is insufficient, it gets
returned or whatever, it's gone for good.  If you include a email address
I'll let you know when the programmed part has been sent back.

Send your 16F648A to:

EasyProg
Embed Inc
410 Great Road
Littleton, MA  01450


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2007\04\24@204504 by Dario Greggio

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Olin Lathrop wrote:
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> I'll program a 16F648A for free with the latest EasyProg firmware if you
> send me one with a self-addressed and stamped envelope/package to return it
> in via the US post office.  It's no big deal for me to pop a 16F648A in a [...]

me too, only, I am in Italy :-))

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