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2008\04\11@084748 by Xiaofan Chen

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ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/PICkit%202%20Readme%20v2-50%20(a).txt

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3. Release notes V2.50.00
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New Features:
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> PIC32 Device Support
 See section 2 of this file for specific part numbers supported.
 ASCII view options are not available for PIC32 devices, and
 Fast Programming is always enabled.

> Multiple PICkit 2 unit support on one PC
 Multiple PICkit 2 units may be used with multiple instances of
 the PICkit 2 Programmer application and with MPLAB.  For
 example, one might be used in MPLAB as a debugger, a 2nd with
 the UART Tool, and a 3rd with the Logic Tool.
 When opening the PICkit 2 application or selecting "Tools >
 Check Communications" a dialog will open if multiple units are
 found.  The dialog lists all connected PICkit 2 units and their
 assigned UnitID string, and is used to select a unit to use.
 Versions of MPLAB that are not aware of multiple units (v8.10
 and earlier) will use the PICkit 2 unit listed in the dialog
 as Unit# = 0.

> Multiple Window View option with resizable memory windows.
 New in v2.50.00 is the "View" menu, with two selectable view
 options:
 "Single Window" - this is the default window used by prior
                   versions.
 "Multi-Window"  - The PICkit 2 application window is divided
                   up into 3 windows:
                   Main Window - essentially, the top of the
                                 Single Window display.
                   Program Memory - Program memory contents are
                                    displayed in a separate
                                    re-sizable window.
                   EEPROM Data - separate resizable window
                                 with device EEPROM contents.
 The EEPROM Data window is only displayed for devices which
 have internal EEPROM memory.  Both memory region windows may
 also be closed or minimized, reducing the screen footprint
 of the application to only the Main Window.  Close memory
 windows may be opened by selecting them under the "View" menu.
 The "Associate / Memory Displays in Front" option associates
 the windows so they move, minimize, and come into focus
 together.  It also shows memory displays always in front of
 the main window. If this option creates problems with a
 particular display, it can be unchecked to disable it.

 NOTE: If a multi-window display problem occurs, or a window
 is "lost", the defaults can be restored by deleting the
 PICkit2.INI file in the installation directory.

> PICkit 2 Programmer-To-Go
 This new functionality allows a memory image to be downloaded
 to the PICkit 2 and programmed later without a PC.  All PIC
 MCU families are supported with the exception of PIC32.  See
 "Help > Programmer-To-Go User Guide" for more information.

> Manual Device Select
 "Programmer > Manual Device Select" may used to select devices
 in all families from a drop-down box.  This can be useful for
 importing HEX files to view when no device is present, and to
 download a memory image for Programmer-To-Go when a device is
 not avaiable to connect.

> Logic Tool
 The Logic Tool, available under "Tools > Logic Tool" allows
 the PICkit 2 to be used to provide stimulus to and monitor
 signals in a target circuit.  It also provides a 3-channel
 logic analyzer with complex trigger options.  See "Help >
 Logic Tool User Guide" for more information.

> UART Tool VDD
 When using the UART Tool, the PICkit 2 unit may supply VDD to
 the target circuit.  The UART tool is now documented in the
 PICkit 2 User's Guide.

> Memory display select & copy data
 The contents of the Program Memory display and EEPROM Data
 display may be selected and copied.  Use the mouse with click
 and drag to select portions of the memory data.  Right click
 and select "Select All" or press ctrl-A to select the entire
 memory contents.  Right click and select "Copy" or press
 ctrl-C to copy the data to the clipboard.  The selected
 addresses and data are copied to the clipboard as tab-delimited
 text.
 This works with both View options.

> Display of HEX file Code / Data Protect settings
 When a hex file with Code Protect and/or Data Protect bits
 asserted in the Configuration bits is loaded, this is noted
 by displaying "Code/Data/All Protect" next to the Configuration
 Word(s) display.  Similarly, the protect settings are noted for
 Configuration read from a device.  Note that protection
 settings in an imported hex file or read from a device may not
 be turned off in the application.

> MCP250xx CAN device programming support.  See section 2 for
 specific part numbers.  IMPORTANT: These devices are One-
 Time-Programmable (OTP) and CANNOT be reprogrammed.  Also,
 the devices MUST be powered from PICkit 2 during programming.

> PIC18 J-series programming change
 PICkit 2 v2.50 changes the way Configuration words are programmed
 to match the behavior of the MPLAB IDE.  When programming, the
 upper nibble of configuration words is always set to hex "F".
 When erasing, unused configuration bits are masked off to "0".

> PIC24FJ programming change
 PICkit 2 v2.50 changes the way Configuration words are programmed
 to match the behavior of the MPLAB IDE.  When programming, the
 upper byte of configuration locations is always set to hex "FF".
 Unimplemented bits are shown as '1' in the Program Memory
 window.

> PIC24HJ / dsPIC33FJ Programming change
 PICkit 2 v2.50 now always disables the JTAGEN configuration bit.

> The PICkit 2 application window remembers its last location on
 the screen when closed and re-opened.

> Warns if the hex file contains settings for some Configuration
 Words but not others.

> Now displays 16-bit device revisions when REVS: is enabled in
 the INI file.

> Preliminary Microsoft Windows Vista 64-bit OS support.

2008\04\11@110712 by Ariel Rocholl

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I'm particularly pleased by the "programmer-to-go" feature. If it work
as advertised, it may be really cool. I didn't installed it yet, but I
wonder how much room it have to store "temporary" program flash to be
programmed later...

Thanks for sharing

2008/4/11, Xiaofan Chen <spam_OUTxiaofancTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com>:
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2008\04\11@142505 by Timothy Weber

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Ariel Rocholl wrote:
> I'm particularly pleased by the "programmer-to-go" feature. If it work
> as advertised, it may be really cool. I didn't installed it yet, but I
> wonder how much room it have to store "temporary" program flash to be
> programmed later...

According to the docs, looks like around 100 KB.
--
Timothy J. Weber
http://timothyweber.org

2008\04\11@162853 by KPL

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Just pickit2 itself is out of stock at microchipdirect, exactly when I
decided to get one :(


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KPL, tired of messing with parallel port programmer

2008\04\11@170700 by Funny NYPD

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Greetings, KPL,
We do have a few BB0703 (PICkit2) (with life-time warranty) in stock.

The BB0703 goes very quick recently, so does the CB0703 ($0.01, limited one per order).
So if you like do it yourself a PICkit2 recently, you better be hurry before the parts is out of stock quick.

And our BB0703/CB0703 design has enhanced features, such as a RJ12 connector to connect directly with board developed for ICD2, and a dedicated external power supply, which is important for "Programmer-To-Go : program without a PC!" feature.

I did some test on "Programmer-To-Go" early today with out BB0703, it works like a charm.

Links to BB0703 with Life-time warranty:
www.auelectronics.com/System-PICkit2.htm
http://www.auelectronics.com/UserManual-BB0703.htm

Link to CB0703 for DIY fans and engineering students:
www.auelectronics.com/Hardware-CB0703.htm

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

----- Original Message ----
From: KPL <.....kpl.listesKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com>
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <piclistspamKILLspammit.edu>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:28:44 PM
Subject: Re: [PIC] PICKit 2 PC application V2.50 released with many new features

Just pickit2 itself is out of stock at microchipdirect, exactly when I
decided to get one :(


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KPL, tired of messing with parallel port programmer

2008\04\11@175024 by Funny NYPD

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Greetings, KPL,
We do have a few BB0703 (PICkit2) (with life-time warranty) in stock.

The BB0703 goes very quick recently, so does the CB0703 ($0.01, limited one per order).
So if you like to do it yourself a PICkit2 recently, you better be hurry before the parts are out of stock.

And our BB0703/CB0703 design has enhanced features, such as a RJ12 connector to connect directly with board developed for ICD2, and a dedicated external power supply, which is important for the "Programmer-To-Go : program without a PC!" feature.

I did some test on "Programmer-To-Go" early today with the BB0703 (PICkit2), it works like a charm.

Links to BB0703 with Life-time warranty:
www.auelectronics.com/System-PICkit2.htm
http://www.auelectronics.com/UserManual-BB0703.htm

Link to CB0703 for DIY fans and engineering students:
www.auelectronics.com/Hardware-CB0703.htm

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

----- Original Message ----
From: KPL <.....kpl.listesKILLspamspam.....gmail.com>
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <EraseMEpiclistspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTmit.edu>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:28:44 PM
Subject: Re: [PIC] PICKit 2 PC application V2.50 released with many new features

Just pickit2 itself is out of stock at microchipdirect, exactly when I
decided to get one :(


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KPL, tired of messing with parallel port programmer

2008\04\11@215123 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 4:28 AM, KPL <kpl.listesspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> Just pickit2 itself is out of stock at microchipdirect, exactly when I
> decided to get one :(

You can try to contact your local Microchip representatives. Or you
can check back Microchipdirect or Digikey or similar. Maybe they are
just too hot now...

Xiaofan

2008\04\11@220510 by piclist

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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> > Logic Tool
>   The Logic Tool, available under "Tools > Logic Tool" allows
>   the PICkit 2 to be used to provide stimulus to and monitor
>   signals in a target circuit.  It also provides a 3-channel
>   logic analyzer with complex trigger options.  See "Help >
>   Logic Tool User Guide" for more information.

I just installed 2.5 and boy does this look neat.  It's a mini three
channel data analyzer.  Only up to 1mhz but still pretty usefull.

--
Ian Smith

2008\04\11@221525 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:05 AM,  <@spam@piclistKILLspamspamian.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> > > Logic Tool
> >   The Logic Tool, available under "Tools > Logic Tool" allows
> >   the PICkit 2 to be used to provide stimulus to and monitor
> >   signals in a target circuit.  It also provides a 3-channel
> >   logic analyzer with complex trigger options.  See "Help >
> >   Logic Tool User Guide" for more information.
>
> I just installed 2.5 and boy does this look neat.  It's a mini three
> channel data analyzer.  Only up to 1mhz but still pretty usefull.
>

Funny Nypd has a cool idea of using multiple PICkit 2 to achieve
more channels.
http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=329594

Xiaofan

2008\04\12@145044 by Konstantin Salavatov

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Any opinion about this:
http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=21
and this:
http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=19 ???

Kostya

2008\04\12@153316 by KPL

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On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Konstantin Salavatov
<KILLspamsalavatovKILLspamspamgmail.com> wrote:
> Any opinion about this:
>  http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=21

Very interesting.
I have older pickit2 clone that I bought quite a time ago via ebay,
seller was sure electronics. It looks much simpler (just a pcb with
two pieces of transparent plastic screwed on standoffs), and does not
work.
That kind of devices are not available on ebay for some time now, and
the one You mentioned showed up there in few last days, since I have
checked frequently.

I have seen positive stories about those sure electronics clones, but
had no way to check my item when i got it. When checked it many months
later, it caused an error when attached to usb port. But it was far
too late to complain.

Actually other stuff that was bought from that seller at the time, was good.


>  and this:
>  http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=19 ???
>
>  Kostya
>  --

2008\04\12@160559 by Bob Axtell

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KPL wrote:
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2008\04\12@164805 by Funny NYPD

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You can also check with my web site:
1. BB0703 (PICkit 2) with life-time warranty:
www.auelectronics.com/System-PICkit2.htm
2. CB0703, PICkit 2 DIY kits:
www.auelectronics.com/Hardware-CB0703.htm
3. Many Faqs for CB0703 and BB0703 (PICkit 2):
http://www.auelectronics.com/FAQ.htm

Here is the new release of PICkit 2 Programmer-To-Go application note:
http://www.auelectronics.com/UserManual-PICKit2ProgrammerToGo.htm

More User manuals and application notes are available here:
http://www.auelectronics.com/UserManual.htm

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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2008\04\12@170803 by Funny NYPD

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>From the PICkit 2 web picture they are showing, it seems the two 24LC512 EEPROM are missing, which represented about US$7.00 of Material cost.

Without the two 24LC512 EEPROM,  it could lead the PICkit2 "Programmer-To-Go" mis-function with the newest PICkit2 programmer V2.50 software.

It is quite interesting, even with some enhanced function and parts, our CB0703 PCB design is still the smallest one (about 72x32mm) on the market with full Microchip recommended schematic. Just curious why most of the other PICkit 2 designs are larger (86mm x 40mm on this particular one) on size even with less parts and functions (e.g. No RJ12 connector, no external power regulator circuit, doesn't support USB type B connector, etc.).

For designers, larger PCB size normally means higher material cost.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Konstantin Salavatov <spamBeGonesalavatovspamBeGonespamgmail.com>
To: TakeThisOuTpiclistEraseMEspamspam_OUTmit.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:50:14 PM
Subject: [PIC] PICKit 2 PC application V2.50 released with many

Any opinion about this:
http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=21
and this:
http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=19 ???

Kostya

2008\04\12@174850 by Funny NYPD

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Greetings, Bob and KPL,
Have you tried re-programming the PIC18F2550 chip?
It is quire often for Microchip USB chips (PIC18F2550 and PIC18F4550) to either ruin the configuration bits or totally lose flash. Microchip forum does have some explanation on it. So try to reprogram the USB chip if something mis-function.

Best wish,

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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2008\04\12@220115 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Funny NYPD <RemoveMEfunnynypdspamTakeThisOuTyahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings, Bob and KPL,
> Have you tried re-programming the PIC18F2550 chip?
> It is quire often for Microchip USB chips (PIC18F2550 and PIC18F4550) to
> either ruin the configuration bits or totally lose flash. Microchip forum does have
> some explanation on it. So try to reprogram the USB chip if something mis-function.
>

For example, this is one scenario.
http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=297221

Xiaofan
(More [PIC] tag for PIClist, please).

2008\04\13@125815 by KPL

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That was my first thought, that it does not have it's firmware
correct, but then I need another pickit to program this one:)
I am not familiar with PIC18 series, is it compatible with old style
parallel port programmer.

Your proposed BB0703 looks good, but that would be a big delay anyway,
since usually shipping from usa takes quite a long time, and there is
local customs involved. I am in EU.
I think I will just wait when they become available at microchipdirect again.


On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Funny NYPD <funnynypdEraseMEspam.....yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings, Bob and KPL,
>  Have you tried re-programming the PIC18F2550 chip?
>  It is quire often for Microchip USB chips (PIC18F2550 and PIC18F4550) to either ruin the configuration bits or totally lose flash. Microchip forum does have some explanation on it. So try to reprogram the USB chip if something mis-function.
>
>  Best wish,
>
>
>  Funny N.
>  Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
>
>  {Original Message removed}

2008\04\13@183844 by Funny NYPD

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Basically any programmer which can load a hex file and support the PIC18F2550chip with ICSP capability can re-program your dead unit.
It doesn't matter the programmer itself is a serial port based, or parallel port based or USB based design.

I am not surprise you have a big concern about shipping to EU. As a matter of fact we have about half of the BB0703 customer from oversea, to name a few: Australia, Italy, Sweden, France, Romania, Portugal, Poland, Brazil, Finland, Hongkong, Taiwan, Canada, etc.

The only country we have aware of  long delay by customs in EU is Italy. It took almost a month to get the staff through. But the same customer told us it took less days for a package shipped from Canada. I don't understand how, but that's a big hold-off for Italy customer.

For the rest of the world, it normally took 7 to 10 business days.

It is quite surprise most of the shipping from US to Australia only takes about 5 days.
It surprised me since it normally takes more than 5 days for ground shipping from New Bedford MA to California or Texas.

I ordered some staff from a company in Texas, it took UPS 8 days to deliver the package. So far, I only see FedEx still capable of keeping the 5 business day delivery promise in the USA.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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2008\04\13@194310 by David Meiklejohn

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Funny N wrote:

> It is quite surprise most of the shipping from US to Australia only takes
> about 5 days.
> It surprised me since it normally takes more than 5 days for ground
> shipping from New Bedford MA to California or Texas.

I suppose this is really OT, but - shipping from the US to Australia is
highly variable.  Most times, delivery seems to be about a week.  On the
other hand I subscribe to Analog magazine, supposedly via surface
shipping, and this year I received the April edition in February (very
soon after it hit the stands in the US), but the January edition didn't
appear until April.  Not a one-off event, either.

Regards,
David Meiklejohn
http://www.gooligum.com.au

2008\04\14@052248 by KPL

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On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:38 AM, Funny NYPD <EraseMEfunnynypdspamyahoo.com> wrote:
> Basically any programmer which can load a hex file and support the PIC18F2550chip with ICSP capability can re-program your dead unit.
>  It doesn't matter the programmer itself is a serial port based, or parallel port based or USB based design.

OK, I'll check in the evening, I was sure 18F series are low voltage
programmable only. Then checked in datasheet that is not so.
But my parallel port programmer was not working properly lately,
exactly that was the reason for pickit after all :)

Funniest thing is, when i tried to play with my pickit clone
yesterday, it was detected correctly a few times yesterday, but not
detected few times after disconnecting. Never had any problems with
USB on that box, so I do not thing the problem is in PC. It's running
linux, btw.

>  I am not surprise you have a big concern about shipping to EU. As a matter of fact we have about half of the BB0703 customer from oversea, to name a few: Australia, Italy, Sweden, France, Romania, Portugal, Poland, Brazil, Finland, Hongkong, Taiwan, Canada, etc.

I do not know where exactly is the problem, but shipping from usa has
been unpredictable. Sometimes it was one week, sometimes more then a
month. But that's a complete OT.


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KPL

2008\04\14@061402 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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KPL wrote:

> I was sure 18F series are low voltage
> programmable only.

That's definitely wrong.

Jan-Erik.

2008\04\14@075958 by Funny NYPD

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Most of the 18Fs I am using support ICSP programming, which means you can use "high voltage" to erase the whole flash in one shot, and it also support the low voltage programming.

To use the low voltage ICSP programming, sometime you need turn on the respect configuration bit and worst case, you need a resistor to make sure it enter the low voltage programming mode. There are lots of experts got many experience in this PIClist.

I never use the low-voltage ICSP except our bootloader programs erase and re-program flashes in low voltage, it is still pretty fast.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:13:42 AM
Subject: Re: [PIC] PICKit 2 PC application V2.50 released with many

KPL wrote:

> I was sure 18F series are low voltage
> programmable only.

That's definitely wrong.

Jan-Erik.

2008\04\15@103155 by Howard Winter

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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:32:51 +0300, KPL wrote:

>...
> I have older pickit2 clone that I bought quite a time ago via ebay,
> seller was sure electronics. It looks much simpler (just a pcb with
> two pieces of transparent plastic screwed on standoffs), and does not
> work.

I have one of these - I also have real PICKit2s, and I really bought this more for the other board that came with it (optionally) that has ZIF sockets for the three
main pin configurations, so I can quickly reprogram when ICSP isn't an option without having to use the ordinary socket on the PICkit2's development boards.  I'm
clumsy enough that repeatedly inserting/removing in HIF sockets is bad for the chips!

The PK2 clone works fine, and when I connected it yesterday using the PICkit2's latest (v2.5) software, it recognised that the firmware needed updating, and did so,
so it's now running firmware 2.30.  I checked it by programming and verifying an 18F252, and it worked fine.

The only thing I've noticed that it doesn't do, is vary the voltage supplied to the target.  The software doesn't know it's happening, and shows the voltage you
select, but I've found the target gets whatever the USB cable is supplying to the programmer!

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2008\04\15@110318 by Howard Winter

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:51:23 +0300, KPL wrote:

> That was my first thought, that it does not have it's firmware
> correct, but then I need another pickit to program this one:)
> I am not familiar with PIC18 series, is it compatible with old style
> parallel port programmer.
>
> Your proposed BB0703 looks good, but that would be a big delay anyway,
> since usually shipping from usa takes quite a long time, and there is
> local customs involved. I am in EU.
> I think I will just wait when they become available at microchipdirect again.

They're in stock at Farnell:  http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=500005+1000160&Ntk=gensearch_001&Ntt=pickit+2

Unfortunately they don't have the "bare" programmer, just the kits with 20 or 44 pin "development" boards, but they're not expensive even with these.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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