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'[PIC] PICKIT3 or PICKIT2 in need of a home?'
2009\01\30@180558 by Peter Loron

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Has anybody managed to get their hands on a PICKIT3? The usual sources  
(Mouser, Digikey, etc) don't seem to have it yet.

I need to get a programmer/debugger and I'm unhappy about buying a new  
PICKIT2 when the new version is supposed to be out...

If anybody has a PICKIT2 that is gathering dust, I'd be pleased to  
make a deal.  :-)

Thanks.

- -Pete
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2009\01\30@211137 by Funny NYPD

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PICkit3 is waiting the new MPLAB CD.
We are offering some discount on our BB0703 and BB0703+ for PIClister on the bottom of this web link:
www.auelectronics.com/System-PICkit2.htm
 Funny N.
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From: Peter Loron <spam_OUTpeterlTakeThisOuTspamstandingwave.org>
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <.....piclistKILLspamspam@spam@mit.edu>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:05:32 PM
Subject: [PIC] PICKIT3 or PICKIT2 in need of a home?

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Has anybody managed to get their hands on a PICKIT3? The usual sources 
(Mouser, Digikey, etc) don't seem to have it yet.

I need to get a programmer/debugger and I'm unhappy about buying a new 
PICKIT2 when the new version is supposed to be out...

If anybody has a PICKIT2 that is gathering dust, I'd be pleased to 
make a deal.  :-)

Thanks.

- -Pete
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2009\01\31@123546 by Charles Rogers

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| If anybody has a PICKIT2 that is gathering dust, I'd be pleased to  
| make a deal.  :-


Make a reasonable offer plus shipping and it's yours.
Used two times, and it really does have dust on it.

CR

2009\01\31@155852 by solarwind

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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Charles Rogers <crogersspamKILLspamtotelcsi.com> wrote:
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> |
> | If anybody has a PICKIT2 that is gathering dust, I'd be pleased to
> | make a deal.  :-
>
>
> Make a reasonable offer plus shipping and it's yours.
> Used two times, and it really does have dust on it.
>
> CR

$20 + shipping


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2009\01\31@171229 by Josh Koffman

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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Peter Loron <.....peterlKILLspamspam.....standingwave.org> wrote:
> Has anybody managed to get their hands on a PICKIT3? The usual sources
> (Mouser, Digikey, etc) don't seem to have it yet.
>
> I need to get a programmer/debugger and I'm unhappy about buying a new
> PICKIT2 when the new version is supposed to be out...
>
> If anybody has a PICKIT2 that is gathering dust, I'd be pleased to
> make a deal.  :-)

You know, funny you should raise this today. I was just looking at the
Microchip website at the Pickit line. I will be traveling soon and I'm
looking for a small programmer to take with me so I can noodle around
on the road. I was trying to figure out the debugging capability of
the Pickit 2, realized there was a Pickit 3 coming out shortly, and
promptly hit a wall.

The problem I see is that it looks like the 3 is twice the price of
the 2, and I can't quite figure out what the advances are. Does the 2
do debug on simpler ships (ie 18f2550)? Will the 3?

Yikes!

Josh
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2009\01\31@172142 by solarwind

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> do debug on simpler ships (ie 18f2550)? Will the 3?

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2009\01\31@191046 by Josh Koffman

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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM, solarwind <EraseMEx.solarwind.xspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
>> do debug on simpler ships (ie 18f2550)? Will the 3?
>
> --
> solarwind

Um...is that what you intended to send?

:)

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2009\01\31@192202 by solarwind

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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Josh Koffman <joshybearspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> Um...is that what you intended to send?

LOL! Yeah. I found it funny enough :)

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2009\01\31@210647 by peter green

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> The problem I see is that it looks like the 3 is twice the price of
> the 2, and I can't quite figure out what the advances are.
Looking at the schematic it seems the main difference is the
microcontroller used. The pic programming/debug protocols are quite
complex and not well suited to drive from standard serial hardware.
Therefore the lower end programmers have to bit bang them (realice and
ICD3 use FPGAs afaict but thats an expensive option). The 24f in the
pickit 3 is going to be able to bit bang them considerablly faster than
the 18f in the pickit 2. Not really going to make much difference if you
only use the 8 bit pics but on the high end stuff it will probablly make
a noticable difference.
> Does the 2
> do debug on simpler ships (ie 18f2550)?
I think it does support debug of that chip but i'm not sure. Generally
the easiest way to find out what a microchip programmer/debugger
supports is to look in mplab.

>  Will the 3?
>  
It would greatly surprise me if it didn't


'[PIC] PICKIT3 or PICKIT2 in need of a home?'
2009\02\02@013249 by Josh Koffman
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 9:06 PM, peter green <@spam@plugwashKILLspamspamp10link.net> wrote:
>> The problem I see is that it looks like the 3 is twice the price of
>> the 2, and I can't quite figure out what the advances are.
> Looking at the schematic it seems the main difference is the
> microcontroller used. The pic programming/debug protocols are quite
> complex and not well suited to drive from standard serial hardware.
> Therefore the lower end programmers have to bit bang them (realice and
> ICD3 use FPGAs afaict but thats an expensive option). The 24f in the
> pickit 3 is going to be able to bit bang them considerablly faster than
> the 18f in the pickit 2. Not really going to make much difference if you
> only use the 8 bit pics but on the high end stuff it will probablly make
> a noticable difference.

So I wonder if it's really worth it for someone like me. I'd be ok
with waiting the few weeks, the problem is the cost. Unless they start
selling an unbundled version for less it would seem that the Pickit 2
is a better buy for me.

So if anyone has one they don't want anymore...

:)

Josh
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2009\02\02@044039 by Alan B. Pearce

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> The problem I see is that it looks like the 3 is twice the price of
> the 2, and I can't quite figure out what the advances are.

I suspect they will be using the same USB interface as the ICD3 - using an
FPGA to handle the USB at High Speed, i.e. 480Mb/s. On the ICD3 this gives a
much faster program and debug download time than previous devices. Others
mention that it is using a PIC24 as the programming controller, which will
be a lot faster than the 18F used in previous devices (the ICD3 uses a
PIC30F IIRC).

2009\02\02@080945 by Josh Koffman

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On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Alan B. Pearce <KILLspamAlan.B.PearceKILLspamspamstfc.ac.uk> wrote:
> I suspect they will be using the same USB interface as the ICD3 - using an
> FPGA to handle the USB at High Speed, i.e. 480Mb/s. On the ICD3 this gives a
> much faster program and debug download time than previous devices. Others
> mention that it is using a PIC24 as the programming controller, which will
> be a lot faster than the 18F used in previous devices (the ICD3 uses a
> PIC30F IIRC).

So does this mean that the difference between the Pickit 3 and the
ICD3 essentially becomes the more rugged output drivers on the ICD?

Josh
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